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4/5/11 10:02 A

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I would love to know any links with great clean eating recipes that you use. I feel like I eat the same thing week to week and need some new ones. thanks

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3/27/11 11:51 P

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Everything is bigger, and better in Texas!...LOL I sure got bigger since moving here 11 years ago. I am working on changing that.

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3/27/11 10:47 A

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To JOYFUL711...and while I like Tosca, I do disagree with her a lot. We are also both in Texas. Wow! Going to check out the Thyroid team per your recommendation. Thanks again!

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3/27/11 10:44 A

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Hi JOYFUL711,

I am new to SparkPeople and this forum. I just read your post and was struck by our similarities. I do not have a thyroid, either (cancer 13 years ago) and I, too am less-than-tall (4'11"). I liked your post very much---I like Tosca, but I also watch calories and other things (starches, protein, etc.) closely. Just nice to see someone so similar to me! Thanks!



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3/26/11 12:34 P

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Thanks- it looks like a great resource.

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3/26/11 10:58 A

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Thanks!

In the future when you want to add a link, in the text box there are 3 *click* boxes above the text, one of which says *add a link*. You click on that paste or type the web address into the line provided and click submit. It will make the link for you on the thread.

nutritiondata.self.com

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3/26/11 10:36 A

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For those who do want to track or even know exactly what nutrients are in any food, including all fresh produce, meast etc...all clean food, or even what an entire banana cream pie contains nutrient wise (not much nutrition, tons of calories..LOL) copy and past the link below. It even has a conversion feature to figure out grams versus ounces, etc. I have found this tool extremely useful, another Sparker shared it on another team. I have had the Nutrition Data link on my favorites for three years, and use it frequently. This is how I built my favorites on the Spark nutrition tracker. I personally need to lose a few nore pounds, and with my thyroid issue, I have to track every single thing, I usually jot down if I eat something, then plug it into the tracker when I have time. So far I have not found a better tracker, but still look...:)

Sorry, I do not know how to make this clickable, copy and paste, it will work, I tested it. There is no need to sign in on the opening page (unless you want to) just use the search feature, and away you go, it has a wealth of information, and it is free.


http://nutritiondata.self.com

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3/26/11 7:35 A

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Thanks for your replies regarding tracking. I will give it a try this week.

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3/26/11 12:28 A

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Right here on this team is a good place to start. Browse around all the threads and you will pick up a lot of good information. I mainly use the web for good recipe ideas but then I've been a clean eater all my life so I know how to make substitutions. But really, there are many, many great websites that are all about fresh, whole, unprocessed foods; how to shop for them, how to cook with them. If you would like me to give you some links to recipe websites, let me know and I will do. Other team members have some favorites too.

there are a lot of good recipe books as well but since I don't buy books much anymore and since I can get more information than I need right here on the internet I will leave the book suggestions up to other team member here.

Mainly, what you need to know is that almost all food items that come in cans, bottles, packages, boxes, etc. are full of toxic chemicals and that doing your shopping around the perimeter of the store is the best way to stay out of trouble. Fresh veggies and fruits, fresh meats and dairy, eggs and cheese are first choices. The best oils to use are extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. And when you do buy oil stick to "cold pressed, organic" if at all possible. Making your own stuff from scratch is preferable to ready-made stuff. Several team members here (including me) make their own mayonnaise, salad dressings, nut butters, granola, etc. etc. the list is endless.

BUT!!! The best advice I can give you is to take baby steps. Don't try everything at once or you will crash. Think of one thing that you eat or drink that you think is bad for you and come here, start a thread asking what can be substituted for it and get the feedback you need. One step at a time. This is a great team!
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3/25/11 10:52 P

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I'm glad that I read this thread. I'm relatively new to CE and I thought Tosca was the MAIN gal. I completely agree with the substitutions. I thoughts these things but thought that I didn't know enough to disagree with her.
Glad to know I can come here and get the facts! Thanks, ladies.

Where should I go now? What is a good source of CE information?

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3/25/11 2:38 P

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4EVER you say it all so well. I was the same way when I was tracking. I lost weight easily but I was, as you say, obsessed and even deprived my body of truly nutritious things. When I reached my goal weight I just LET GO!!! and my poor starved body, and emotions just wanted to EAT FOR GOODNESS SAKES!! I was like a wild starving tiger!

Now I'm sane again. I can't even go by the "eat til I feel comfortable" signal because I'm not really comfortable until I feel that ushygushycomfy pressure in my tummy. By then I've eaten too much. I think it takes my brain-stomach connection a half hour or more to tie together realistically. I have to use my eyes and judge the size of the meal by how it looks and then eat and walk away. I've made nutritious food my focus instead of the numbers.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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3/25/11 12:39 P

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Very good reply!

I would also encourage you to do what you think is best. I know for me, counting isn't. Not only does it become time consuming bc like the last response, I make most (90%) of my foods in my kitchen. So to track is hard bc only a handful of items can I get the info from a label. My EDs aside, when I count I tend to make poorer choices for my body. I could fit a McDonald's Happy Meal into my daily count with no problems, same with lean cuisines, bologna, Boxed Desserts and Dessert Mixes, ect. I would get my fiber but it was mostly Fiber-Added, not natural. Counting lead to obsession and my drive to eat less and less regardless but also to eat things based on emotional responses instead of listening to my body.

I can't say that weight loss happens quickly when you don't track bc it doesn't. I can maintain now with no issues. But when I need a little more to come off I write everything down in journal. It's the *Old Fashion* way of tracking- the way trackers did it before SP and the Internet. I watch my portions and try to eat slowly, stay conscious in the moment, and eat till I'm comfortable. It took a long time for me to do that so I don't want to make it sound like it's just easy-peasy. It's probably my history that made the transition difficult.

I also want to say that the scale always isn't going to be your friend. I know with my tracking this week I have avoided emotional eating, stayed with my portions, and my eating in general has supported my body. The scale in a matter of 1 week went up 2.4 pounds. It happens. The best thing anyone can do is just use it as a tool, but to check in with yourself without the scale. How do you feel? How is your sleep? Your Energy? Have your clothes been fitting better over the weeks?

Sometimes I envy those that can track bc I could reach my final weight goal without having it take so long. But other days I know I am finally doing what is right for my body and letting it just go at It's pace. The other benefit of eating clean or a mostly clean intake is that binging on food becomes a little more difficult- there isn't all that premade-ready to go food just sitting there for the taking. I can binge on fruit or a couple of dark chocolate squares, but for the most part, I'd have to scratch cook/bake an item then binge. By that time, the emotion has passed. Just a thought for those that are emotional eaters like myself.

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3/25/11 12:29 P

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I think tracking can be an excellent idea...especially in the beginning. if you are eating whole foods then you needn't rely on nutritional labels so much either. (which are fairly unreliable; they are allowed to be out by 10% I think.)
Once you weigh and measure food for a while you will get to know what a proper portion looks like...
Anyhow, I have been tracking everything for so long I may even consider NOT tracking soon. I KNOW what a portion is for me and how much of a certian food to eat.
So, I may consider not tracking, but still keeping a quick log of food I have eaten in a day. So, I can still see what I've eaten, but not getting too bent on all the numbers...

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3/25/11 12:11 P

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Tracking does seem to be the answer for a lot of people so you might consider it for yourself.

I tracked for a while and I lost the weight I needed but because I was so focused on numbers and not specifically on food, for me, I know I wasn't really eating well. All those nutrient numbers are only based on rough requirements set up by the FDA and they really don't mean as much as many people believe. And when I got terribly bored and frustrated by having to weigh everything I put in my dishes and having to keep track of it all in the tracker I quit and gained back more than I had lost!

If a person eats a lot of food out of jars, cans, boxes, bags then they can just take the numbers from the labels. But if everything you make is from scratch and if, like me, you never make the same thing the same way twice, it's just not worth trying to keep track.

So, instead of watching numbers I now watch portion and timing. I KNOW when I've blown it and I KNOW when I'm on track. And now I can just focus on eating the really nutritious and tasty things that come together in my kitchen using the ingredients that I know are healthy without having to try to find them on the web and figure out their nutrient composition. Many of the things I eat I couldn't find in the nutrition tracker anyway. Most of the foods listed in the SP database are junky food stuffs.

Hope that helps
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3/25/11 11:33 A

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Very interesting topic. I too had reservations about some of the informaton coming from Clean eating Magazine et al. It's always best to get your information from more than just a few sources. Thanks for sharing what you all know and think with the team.

I have a real hard time counting calories or points(Weight Watchers), I just can't stay focused for a period of time to do it. Any tips from those that are successful at tracking their calories? I have 20 pounds I'd love to lose and it seems tracking might be the answer.

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3/24/11 11:41 P

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What about Whole Foods stores?

When I lived in Michigan this is were I shopped for a larger range of foods. It is costly but our farmers markets were subpar so that was my only true source of finding half the items I wanted. I live in the middle of nowhere-prairie land now and it's Farmers Markets from July thru Halloween. After that it's the local grocery store that charges insane prices. My grocery bill is about $200 a week for 2 people. One of the many things I hate about small-town living; it costs a fortune!

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3/24/11 11:31 P

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I also join this team when I first join Spark, but I had never heard of Tosca Reno. I had already described the way I was eating as "clean" for a couple of years before I joined Spark. I join Spark when I had my thyroid cancer ordeal, I saw a story about SparkPeople in People magazine, about three women who became 'real' friends, and their journey to health through Spark, I had a ton of time off work due to the surgeries and a multitude of doctor visits, the rest is history. The other team that is really awesome is the Thyroid team, there are some smart cookies over there, seriously, one lady is like a walking encyclopedia, she puts a lot of effort into researching stuff. I have been a member since 2008, I think February, I know that is when I had the second surgery..whew, what a wild ride that has been.

I also nearly gave up on this team, too much Tosca worship for my taste, largely because I disagree with what her idea of clean is, to me dehydrated peanut butter is a processed food...duh LOL (just my opinion). You ladies who use raw milk, free range chicken eggs, etc, THAT is what I call clean. I cannot do as well as you country folk, because I live in the Dallas suburbs, and though I could probably find these fresh clean items, it would be too time consuming, so I do the best that I can at the farmer's market.

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I joined Clean Eating a while ago, 2007 or something but ditched it bc of the focus. I've seen been a member of whole foods since that was the closest I could find to my particular food beliefs and goals.

Now I don't feel so bad canceling my newletter subscription after 2. I know exactly what you mean!

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3/24/11 8:01 P

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This is one of the first teams I joined at SP too. I saw the name and I actually thought it was talking about "cleaning" the toxic bad stuff out of our diet. I thought it was about pure food. I had been on the team a while when I caught on to a name that kept coming up ("Tosca") that I had never heard of before and I was often thrown off by what members were saying in reference to "Tosca Reno". So I Googled it and ended up subscribing to her newsletter. After about 3 newsletter emails and after flipping through her magazine at a store I dumped the newsletter subscription and saw that...or felt strongly that, it was all just a marketing thing with some good but incomplete diet ideas thrown in with enough bad ideas thrown in to turn me off.

But, by that time I had fallen in love with the team. There were certain members here and on the recipe team that I wanted to keep chatting with. I looked for other teams with similar goals without the Tosca attachment but really, there aren't any diet related teams as great or fun as these two. I did find the Natural Healing team, which also has wonderful members as well who are willing to do research and bring knowledge to the team. I love it! Everyone is awesome; everyone is learning so much from each other on all three of these, my favorite teams. And besides having a couple old curmudgeons like me on the team makes things colorful!

Well, there might be some other great teams of this nature but I'm having so much fun here that I'm done looking for another team. I spend too much time here in front of my computer as it is!
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This team was also one of the first I joined. Then I branched out and created the recipes team... sure learned a lot. Been over three years now, I think.

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So funny that this was the first group I joined on SP going on 4 years ago. It was fashioned after Tosca Reno's clean eating plan and we were here to discuss adhering to this "diet"
I can't believe how far we have come! We have zoomed right past good 'ol Tosca!
Glad to say that I have learned more from this group than from all of her books and mags put together, and I have them all.
I won't resubscribe either, I think it (the mag) is becoming redundant.

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LOL!

I have gone so far as to tell people I am a Non-Tosca Clean Eater. I stopped all renewals of RK Publishing magazines. I am finishing the last few months of Oxygen. I thought about just canceling it out right but the money I get back is very minimal. I haven't been a fan of his for a while. He started doling out advice to women in his column that I thought stepped over a line. Telling them that 20% BF was *fat* and that they could choose to keep themselves *fat* or get dedicated, lose the fat, and get implants to make up for their soon-to-be smaller busts. But that's Oxygen, not CE Mag. Moral of my story, I'm not a fan of either. They have good intentions but took a wrong turn a long time ago. I since have started collecting cookbooks that match my style of CE. Some great ones I can recommend are:

* Fresh from the Market by Laurent Tourondel and Charlotte March
* The Harvest Eating Cookbook by Keith Snow
* The Earthbound Farm Organic Cookbook- Food to Live By; by Myra Goodman (I have her second one on order and it should be here any day now)

And for those that are meat eaters and looking for some rustic, comfort food:
* The Italian Slow Cooker by Michele Scicolone

All the above are more along the lines of Traditional/Farmer-style Clean Eating. Sugar is used, but can be easily subbed for your preferred source including fresh fruit sauces. We found a organic bistro here in our small town that tries to by as much from local sources as possible- the winter months are harder though. Since dining there I have been trying to find cookbooks that align with their principles and techniques. Full of flavor, all natural, low sodium (they use sea salt) with fresh ingredients- everything is from scratch including the butter they serve.

I have Tyler Florence's newest cookbook on preorder. It's a Baby Food cookbook that was inspired by his local organic Farmer's Market. I don't have children yet, but within the next 12-15 months I will. I thought that sounded perfect. I make everything from scratch and won't need to worry about what goes into my baby's body. The added bonus is it will develop their palates naturally with all the fruits, veggies, grains, and herbs. Something I never had- My mom was a cheerios kind of gal and my dad- all about ketchup and twinkies! Amazingly, they both had the body of Greek Gods. But I digress.

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Yeah... when Tosca STARTED the CE thing, nit many people had heard about eating CLEAN. I just so happened to used to work with a very BUFF gal who was a bodybuilder, oh about 13 years ago now. That was when I first heard the term CLEAN FOOD.
But GENERALLT speaking, Tosca was a pioneer (for the general public). I also agree with you MRS_4EVER_AFTER... the more Tosca comes out with new books and recipes the more conflicting info she sends out, the more I sort of sick of her, to tell the truth. She has helped a lot of people, but in the end I think Robert Kennedy publishing is MOSTLY concerned about the bottom line

(They also decided NOT to run my comments regarding their SOY story. Sort of proves it to me that they don't REALLY care. I'm not gonna renew my subscription. But I am still a CLEAN eater as Tosca doesn't own the patent on THAT. lol)

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I didn't say they were. I said for a while, they were- they were the only known source that was readily available. Meaning for those of us who are not gardeners and not vegan/vegitarian, she was about it. I never would pick up anything that you listed bc those don't speak to me or my interests. But when I started eating more naturally many searches always came back to her. For the mainstream, she's the *it* girl. I will say that she filled a niche, but even so, she's just not the traditional-CE cup o' tea. I look at my great grandparents for inspiration. If they would have eaten it (Owned over 500 acres of farm land) then so should I.

Basically, I think we're saying the same thing, you and I.

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Hey MRS_4EVER, I love your attitude; it's a lot like mine. The only thing I would disagree on is what you said about CE magazine being the only real resource for a while for real food healthy options. Heck no, that's not true. Magazines like Mother Earth News, Vegetarin Times, Organic Gardening and a slue of other periodicals have been showing us good dietary options for many decades. No, I don't think they had it down perfectly and they still fudge somewhat (especially VT) when trying to avoid animal fats (because of outdated health advice...lol) But they have been serving up choices as good as if not even BETTER than Tosca Reno.

Tosca just marketed herself to a demographically uneducated market that was looking for a change and didn't have any other resources that THEY knew of. Her timing and marketing skills really worked for her. But, as we have mentioned a few times on this team; she better wake up and make some changes because a lot of her fans are looking at ofher resources for better information--maybe thanks to Tosca! In spite of herself, she has triggered a new appreciation in many of her subscribers for whole, fresh foods.

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I don't count either, I get to obsessed with things like that. The less rules in my life, the better I function. I do however write most of meals down as having a tendency to eat for emotions, it's a nice way to stop it before it happens. Or at the very least, I stops a total binge.

I am too am not someone that eats soy. The stuff scares me. I don't know about other cultures consuming it, but I have heard enough and read enough about it that I will not purchase it. Soy sauce on the other hand since I use 1 tbs a month at the most, I'm ok with. It's amazing just how many products on the shelves have soy.

As far as sugar goes. Do we need it? No. But I like it. Never a fan of sucunant (sp?) and I am allergic to stevia. Agave IMO is gross and honey is good in some items, not others. I just consume less and as time goes by, I naturally eat even less sugar. It's a balance for me. Like I said, I'm not into rules, just doing a little bit at a time without overload. My motto: Progress not Perfection.

Not a fan of Tosca personally. For a while she and her husbands magazine empire where the only real resources for CE. I think I rebelled against it just because certain things she says or believes doesn't make sense to me, including the many examples given earlier. I don't understand how according to her natural butter isn't clean but something that comes off a production line is? I don't know. I try not to think about it too much. I just go with the flow. As time passes, we evolve onto one path or another. As long as it makes you feel good and your body feel great, I have no issues with it. What is right for one isn't another. It's about finding that balance that is right for you and knowing that as time progresses, that balance changes.

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I have read very similar things. Especially important is the fresh diet that includes lots of seafood. A large percentage of their days spent in the sun says a lot too. There is no way I can accept the longevity thing based on tofu alone. It just doesn't make sense. For years we've been told that it is the tofu but I think much more research has been being done. And besides, all the pro-soy ads and articles have mostly been generated through the hands of those who profit well from the growing and processing of soy beans. That's my take anyway.

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Yes. That's right. Okinawans are Japanese. No one was trying to differ.
It is speculated that the reason they are the race with the most centenarians, is because of their caloric intake. Or lack there of. Not necessarily their tofu consumption Or lack there of.

Here is an excerpt:

"They certainly do their best to steer clear of tobacco smoking; they eat a low caloric yet healthful diet consisting of whole innate foods from island sources along with abundant fruits and vegetables. These folks are getting loads of fresh air and exposure to the sunlight and also avoid alcohol for the most part. Theirs is certainly not an excessive lifestyle by any stretch.

It helps I am sure that these people are living in a tropical region with little or no hustle and bustle of mainland life to distract them. Their diet contains a lot of essential fatty acids no doubt because they are living on an island surrounded by sea and seafood – fish being a huge source of omega 3 fatty acids. The scientific – medical community are only beginning to acknowledge how important this variety of fat is to or health.

Of the numerous reasons why Okinawans have such healthy golden years, the most significant of these would likely be the low caloric intake. One interesting tidbit from Okinawan life is the practice known as hari hachi bu which is essentially “eating until you are eighty percent full.” They never overstuff themselves when they eat. In the book called “the Zone Diet” the author discusses this calorie association relative to their longevity."

Here's the article I got the info from (although I already knew this info). About 3/4 of the way through the article is a mention about soy. About how the "jury was still out" on that one.

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I eat only tofu like the traditional Japanese and Chinese and Koreans have eaten it for 100's of years, not the westernized highly processed soy versions.

Japanese women are on average the longest living people on earth. (Okinawans are Japanese too).

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I was in Walmart the other day. I overheard this woman asking her young boy to get some of that SOY milk from the aisle. I cringed and bit my tongue. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Well said Laura, and I might add that tofu, as it is consumed in modern times by Japanese, is mainly part of the whole westernization of the Japanese culture which has led to a great deal of typical Western diseases there. Tofu has been around for a very long time in Chinese and Japanese diets but not consumed in the amounts or refined ways that are pushed on us now as a "health food". That marketing ploy is just that; marketing for profit. I don't eat soy either except in its fermented forms. Even organic soy is something that I avoid because of the estrogen issue. You couldn't pay me either to eat commercial soy in any form because of the genetic modification of it.

People who regularly consume so-called soy protein bars or soy-based protein drinks and powders are kidding themselves as most of that stuff is quite unhealthy.

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Actually you couldn't pay me to eat tofu. And, I'm fairly certain that the Asians eat more fermented soy than tofu. Soy is treated more as a condiment in Asia.
Tofu is a highly processed soy product. Soy is a phytoestrogen.
The longest living people in the world are Okinawans. It is felt that their diet of eating fewer calories has more to do with their longer life spans than eating soy.
Japanese eat miso, natto and tempeh. These are fermented soy products. Highly processed soy products like "veggie" buyrgers and tofu are not really part of their traditional diet.


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I count calories and I will do so until I reach my goal weight. After a while you'd know by memory how many calories a food has and more or less calculate on your head instead of tracking in sparks or and app. That's the only way you know that you are in a caloric deficit.

I think tofu is one of the best foods. Japanese are the biggest consumers of tofu in their daily diets and they are the longest living people in the world. And usually healthy people live longer.

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I am actually thinking that Tosca's eating plan could use more protein and more healthy fats. That would also make us feel fuller longer.

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I have been counting calories as I eat clean. But it seems like I am always hungry.





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If I ate the calories in the weekly menu plans in Clean Eating mag. I'd be enormous!! emoticon
I do count calories and I try to make every one count.

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Fit-A, you are da bomb girl!! our fearless leader.

I don't count calories, I just eat as much whole, fresh, organic stuff that I can. I keep my diet mostly meats, eggs and veggies with a little dairy. Once my friend's cow gives birth (by early next month we hope) I will be consuming a lot more dairy. I've tossed grains out of my diet almost completely because I am really considering how unhelpful they are to us. I see them as a treat for once in a while like in homemade bread and the occasional goody. No "daily bread" for me!

No, calories aren't an issue for me; portions and timing are. Smaller portions and no mindless munching between meals. NEVER any junk or fast foods; bleeeecch!
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Aw, Shucks MAYBELLE. It's my pleasure! emoticon

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See what I mean! You will learn so much, this lady (Fit_Artist) is a wealth of knowledge. I really owe my health to you Fit_Artist, you don't know how much you give when you give your time to posts like this, thank you:)
I totally agree about the tilapia, tofu and alternative sugars and these are non existent in my diet.

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I totally agree with that. The Becel...
The oils I use in order of importance to me are: coconut oil, olive oil then real butter.

And I also agree about the grains. I really feel that grains are whats contributing to the FAT epidemic today. Grain & sugar. Even complex carbs like Whole Grains. 6-8 servings a day of grain? Are you kidding? lol That's sounds like a whole lotta PIG FOOD to me!

Now that I'm GF, I can honesly say that eating out is not a problem anymore. I can't do it. There is grain and wheat in every single restaraunt that I've been to. So, I don't go. No problem.

The other thing I disagree with Tosca's books is the use of Tilapia, tofu and all the agave nectar and sucanat sugar. Sugar in any form makes us fat.Tilapia is a farmed fish (the stuff at the store is anyhow, unless it specifically says WILD), and is fed unatural feed containing GMO corn. Farmed tilapia also has Omega 3 & 6 out of whack.
Tofu (and unfermented soy in general) is a phytoestrogen which I don't feel is healthy for anyone.

So, I believe we should eat whole foods as close to the way they are presented to us by nature. RAW milk (from grass fed cows) and dairy products (not skimmed or pasteurized), full fat dairy (contained less milk sugars), fresh fruits and veggies (preferrably organic), organic, hormone free meats and eggs, (also preferably grass fed cows).
I make all my own baking breads, etc. I believe most bread, dressing from the store contains not only gluten but soy as well.
I also don't buy into the avoid or limit saturated fats. Evidence is showing that the SAT fat from exotic oils is actually healthier for you than EVOO. Although olive oil is still healthy, it is no longer the forerunner.
Medium chain fatty acids found in coconut oil is a sturated fat that actually PREVENTS build up in our arteries.
Hmmm... let's see. What else...

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I believe clean foods are all natural whole foods, food that man did not have to mess with before we eat it. And that none of the natural foods are to be avoided. Like Tosca suggests becel (a man made butter flavoured spread) and I think butter is a healthier option (organic and unsalted). I know some of the ladies here make their own from raw milk which is so awesome. Just one example of my disagreements with Tosca's plan. I also think we should get less carbs from grains than Tosca recommends.
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MayBelle and Fit_Artist, what are your favorite tips for clean eating that go above/beyond Tosca? (And thank you to all repliers for your help)!



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I still calorie count but I don't have as much control as Caladriana. I would probably overeat all meals, lol! Good on ya Caladriana, you've done so well! I do believe that Tosca says to eat 300-400 calories every 2.5-3 hours though, so if you're like me and need to count thats the numbers to go for.

I have to agree with Fit_Artist on Tosca. I started out as a Tosca follower but as I grew as a clean eater a few things have changed. There's alot more to clean eating than Tosca;)

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I eat clean, but am not a Tosca follower.

Yes, I do keep track of everything that I eat, and yes I do count caloires. That being said, after getting the hang of it, it is not necessary to wrtie everything down every time I eat it. It was at first, so I could establish a healthy pattern, and really, really know what I was putting in my body. It really depends upon your goals and motivation, as to whether it is too tedious, ot totally worth it. I am seeing a dietician, and she required tracking at first, so she could have an idea of where I needed the most guidance. If I try a new food, I measure it for the first few times, to memorize the portion, some things always get measured (like oils or fats). I am highly motivated, and have a specific goal, I WILL be 130 lbs by July 11, 2011. In order to accomplish this goal, I have to stay on-task, all the time. I also have no thyroid, and a hysterectomy, so that leaves me no wiggle room. If you have those body parts, you can cut yourself a lot more slack that I can myself. (Plus I am 5'3", so it is a big challenge)

PSS: I also keep track of what I eat regarding, protien, dairy, veg, starch...etc, my dietician gave me specific limits on all of that.

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When I saw Tosca on her reality show, she ABSOLUTELY was counting calories.
I think if you are eating clean, and can do that without counting calories than great. But, you really have to do what works for you.
I have to count my calories. Every single one of them. I NEVER get close to feeling full, so I could have some big problems if I didn't portion out my sizes ahead of time. When I sit down to eat, I know there are no seconds, etc.
Tosca is great, but she really isn't the "end all be all" in clean eating info.


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I tried calorie counting and food tracking and got tired of it fast. While it was helpful for me to see how much i was taking in i just didn't have the time to type everything in that went into my mouth lol. Right now i mostly eyeball my portions or if im not sure i weigh and measure it and i eat until im satisfied instead of full as i find if i wait a bit i feel good and don't overeat. So far this has helped me lost over 40 lbs. I figure if i hit a really bad plateau i may switch things up a bit. But different things work for different people sometimes. I love Toscas books!

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I am just now reading Tosca Reno's Eat-Clean Diet Recharged for the first time, and the plan does not call for calorie counting. Instead, it calls for certain types of food in certain portions (eating until satisfied/80% full). Do those of you who follow the Eat-Clean diet count calories anyway? If you do, do you do it as a check on your portion sizes or do you actually try to fit within a certain calorie range?



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