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oh duh, I totally forgot about quinoa! Which is funny because I just recently started eating it and I LOVE it! =)

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Don't forget quinoa is this convo! better than couscous
good protein too.

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thanks iseulte, I have muesli everyday for breakfast FWIW :) Also grew up with Yams, Plantains , breadfruit and sweet potatoes as regular fixtures on the table :) (dont like yam/breadfruit much & plantain/s.potatoes are nice but i find sickly sweet if I have too much)

I just wondered which of these other staples are as low in calories as potatoes by volume. (or in that ballpark) -
The grains seem to come in around 300 kcal/100g mark.
So I'd have to be careful with serving size. But of course they have some good nutritional qualities.

May give Cous-cous a serious try at your suggestion :) Had it on occasion a few years back..

It relates back to the original q. of counting calories I think. Because I try to avoid the higher calories staples, I dont worry too much about over-eating.
However that's a bit simplistic. I think even those of us that dont specifically count calories do know that an avocado is not the same as an apple :)

But potatoes often get lumped in with the other staples , when i think they have about 1/3 the calories of rice/pasta and grains.

So whilst I could eat 'naked' potatoes until I feel reasonably full, and trust my body to say "STOP" , I could not do that with muesli or pasta. I can easily overeat on them.

So some things I may have 'counted' in the past, but after that you get a rough idea if you are eating relatively simple menus without fancy sauces etc.

I just think potatoes get a bad rap compared to other 'staples', and maybe I dont explicitly count because I'm a boring eater :)



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I just wanted to say to Lordrock that there are other complex carbs that merit a look if you are interested. Have you tried alternative grains? I love millet, barley, brown & wild rice, cous-cous and steel-cut oats. You may need to broaden your view on what you consider a "staple". Just because it's traditional, doesn't mean that it has to be part of your food plan.

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I also try to eat mostly fruits and veggies, nuts and nut butters.

But I do eat some carbs, either cereal or oatmeal for breakfast. Sometimes some brown rice with dinner or a whole wheat pita or tortilla at lunch.

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I guess I don't eat very much in the "staple" department. And if I do eat of those things it's a very small portion once or twice a week max of brown rice or occasionally a slice of whole grain bread. But I live on mostly above ground veggies, some, not much, root veggies, eggs, a little meat & fish, a little nuts and seeds and nut & seed butter and some dairy. If I did more than this I would gain weight quickly. Maybe it's my age, but I find I must get most of my nutrition from above ground veggies and good protein to stay well and fit. It's not the same for everyone I realize. My husband can eat a lot more "staples" than me and still stay at his happy weight though sometimes even he will balloon up a bit and will have to back off those items.

And you are right to say that we aren't as active now as we were a century ago and even before that. Things have radically changed in our physical activity and in the food-like substances we as a culture have been eating. If you go back much further in history you won't see many of those staples. They seem to have come about with the advent of farming and then with marketing. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be eating wheat, rice, corn and potatoes; not at all. I'm just saying that we get far, far too much of it in our diets and I think it's making us sick. Not to mention the way those items are processed and refined...grrrr, don't get me started on that!!

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2/17/10 8:24 A

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I count sodium MG instead. I found early on that if I keep my sodium in CHECK and still get my 6 meals in a day...everything else falls into place for me :)

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Thnaks Chwabe, that's the kind of thing I'm wondering about. Most of us are advised to eat one carb portion (typically a 'staple' food) per meal. That portion was probably way too big for us at some point in our lives , and we eventually arrived here :)

Now that we are enlightened, and eating sensible portion sizes ....

If potatoes are 80 Kcal/100g and rice/pasta are 300+ Kcal/100g, but people try hard to stay away from potatoes, what else is there?

Apart from cereal , I tend to have about 200Kcal of potatoes with most meals.

I personally avoid rice and pasta because of the 3 times higher calorie density. (assuming volume of 100g is similar!). I'd definitely have to count my calories if I were eating them. I think peas are a possible potato alternative, to avoid getting bored. Plus parsnips and other sweet vegetables.

One view, which I think I'm picking up here,(but not sure) is maybe there are better "energy source" foods than potatoes.
(maybe lower GI/GL options) Any suggestions welcome..

Edited by: LORDROCK at: 2/17/2010 (08:21)
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2/17/10 7:27 A

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I, of course, crave carbs...mainly the starchy, crunchy kind as opposed to the sweets. I try to have one carb portion per meal, ie. potatoes, rice, pasta. With my snacks I try to include fruit and milk but will sometimes also have one "treat" kind of carb, ie. yesterday I had a black bean brownie. Don't know if it was completely clean as it included splenda but it was a nice treat and within my fat/cal plan.

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Hi, I just googled it and the definition is fairly close to what I imagined. I mean typical high energy starchy foods that most cultures include in their main meals on a regular basis.

Potatoes / Rice / Pasta etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food



In the second paragraph on that page *I'm guessing* that potatoes are amongst the lower calorie dense options.

"Most staple foods derive either from cereals such as wheat, barley, rye, maize, or rice, or starchy root vegetables such as potatoes, yams, taro, and cassava.[2] Other staple foods include pulses (dried legumes), sago (derived from the pith of the sago palm tree), and fruits such as breadfruit and plantains."

From an anthropological view point we generally needed(past tense!!) "staples" + meat, because we couldnt get enough calories from leafy vegetables to meet our daily requirement (activity + big brain?). Of course, that was when we were a lot more active than we are now and didnt have modern conveniences :)

If people here generally recommend only occasional potatoes, and a cursory glance seems to suggest other 'staples' carry more calories, then I'm interested how people hit their calorie count eating clean.

I like potatoes, but keen to explore other options, that have similar density.

By comparison rice and pasta have about 3.5 times more calories I think!


Although to keep some perspective, I only have about 3 baby potatoes per main meal.
I just checked and a 1kg bag has 14 baby potatoes. So each one is about 71g. So 3 is about 215g = 160 calories.
It is a fair chunk still as I have about 400-500 to play with. (depending on #meals and naughty snacking) You guys got me counting now!!

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I'm not sure what you mean by "staples". Can you define what you mean by it for me?

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Cool, I got most of that :) I rarely eat too little as mentioned in my first post. I'm losing about 1.5 lbs a week, and do weights etc. As for empty calories, I'm pretty much eating 'clean'. About 90% or more. This is the right group :)

I just wondered what you guys typically ate for staples when not eating potatoes, as I though they were fewer calories than most other foods that are considered staples.

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Did you know that when you aren't eating enough that your body/brain connection goes into a type of starvation mode. When that happens the brain signals the blood to store fat. It's how we survive. Too bad, neither the body nor the brain can actually tell that we are overweight. The organs might suffer from it but the brain can only tell (food wise) if we are getting the nutrition we need and when we don't it thinks it's time to tell the body to store fat.
DARN!! That can happen even if we eat more (volume wise) than we need if the volume is empty calories. If the body isn't getting the right nutrition it worries that it is starving and it will store fat.
It's important to not go below the recommended daily calorie advice here on sparkpeople. Stay on the lower end if you like for faster weight loss but don't go below it. And eat nutritionally powerful foods!
That's my quack for the moment!

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Interesting, I though potatoes was one of the lowest calorie staple going. So do you guys regularly have meals without any traditional "staples".

I think I'd feel hungry too much. I did cut back my staples one day and I got a headache which I suspect was from too little calories.
I work out about 5 days a week, high intensity (when I'm not injured!), and I probably have a higher carb limit than most here due to BMR etc. I dont think 3 baby pots 3 times a day, will do to much harm compared to what I used to eat. I'm still losing, not rapidly, but eating my fill. I think I've almost found my "way of eating."

When I become a bit lighter I'll probably do more activities regularly. I'm a 240lb bloke so probably looking at things from my perspective a bit more?

I'm pretty sure I'm in calorie deficit so not too worried about fat storage. oddly enough. Eating a lot less fat than I used to. I have to make a concious effort to grab some seeds or a 1/4 teaspoon of peanut butter. (mmmmmmmm) every now and then. My ears are a lot cleaner too! (Too much info?)

Edited by: LORDROCK at: 2/16/2010 (22:57)
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Not really, it has nothing to do with those evil chips. It has everything to do with the fact that potatoes are a starchy carb. Starch = sugar = fat storage. Can't get away from that. Potatoes, good, fresh, organic are certainly something that we can have...once in a while; but don't kid yourself that they aren't going to cause fat storage.

And parsnips (LOVE 'EM!) are also a high sugar veggie. Don't go without but don't over do either if you are trying to loose pounds.

In the "old days" people didn't sit in front of their computers blogging...lol! If you work out "consistently" that is, 4 days a week minimum, real hard, and if you are under 35, then you can afford to have potato a few times a week--in fact you need those starchy carbs because you are burning them! Just don't eat more than you burn!

The chip thing (and French fries) is more about the high heat trans fats and carcinogenic outcome of that kind of food treatment than about starchy carbs. After what chips and fries have to go through starchy carbs are moot!!

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Yeah its the staples that can 'get you'. Having said that, all the calorie charts I've seen have potatoes fairly low esp considering how filling they are?

I think its mostly a carry over from how they are often associated with chips, fries , gravy and butter! and 'tradition' potato portion sizes.

They are about 70-80 cal per 100g which is fairly low for a staple? A large jacket is about 300 cals and will keep me feeling full for a good few hours.
(of course the toppings will bite you back :) and I would generally avoid jackets right now. Maybe in maintenance I'll have some.

I generally just have boiled baby potatoes in skins. About 2-3 a meal. A palm full of protein source, then as much roasted or boiled veg. (carrots, parsnips, peppers etc) as I want.
If I want a nice sauce, then I cut back on a potato.

I guess in the "old days" people would typically eat 2 or 3 large potatoes, in one meal, hitting nearly 600-700 calories in potatoes alone.

But I probably can get away with 4 meals at 500 calories a meal if I'm working out consistently, and still have the odd nibble, so I probably dont think about it as much.

Edited by: LORDROCK at: 2/16/2010 (21:20)
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Healthy, whole and "clean" (whatever that is...lol!) can still stack weight on you if you don't watch your portions. I know that too well myself!!
I eat VERY healthy foods; all organic, fresh, good stuff but I still have to watch very closely to the amounts and balance what kinds of foods I eat or I'll turn into a blimp...for sure!! I eat lots of fresh greens, eggs, chicken and try very hard to stay away from or only eat a very small amounts of grain products, peanut butter (LOVE IT!!), nuts and potatoes. When I am careful, the weight comes off; when I splurge...
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I certainly count and track. I will happily eat way too many clean calories and never lose weight. Fruit has a lot of calories....

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I'm mostly going on habit now, but have to chart calories for awhile every once in awhile to make sure I lose these last few pounds.

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you betcha!

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I've never read the book but believe that I am following the concepts. I must track my calories or I can eat over 2000 without even thinking.

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I know that I am able to have as much success as I've had is because I have been real about my calories. I track all of my food here on Spark.

I have eaten "better" before and was in denial about how much I was eating. Eating mostly fruits and veggies is good, but eating more than you need of those foods makes you gain weight too!

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MUSCLE DOES NOT WEIGH MORE THAN FAT 5 lbs = 5 lbs

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I haven't read the book. I generally dont count, but recently I've felt I'm not losing quick enough so I've increased veg to about 50-60% of the plate. Really I think I've been snacking on too much raisins tbh - they are moreish and a lot of calories.

I eat a fair bit, so I dont think I'm going too far under.
About every 3.5 to 4.5 hours I have a full plate (except for pre-bedtime plate). But I'm 240 lbs so have more allowance to play with?

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I did count calories and it definitely helps if you are still looking to lose weight.

However since eating clean I stopped counting. I tend to get way too obsessed and sometimes I think it drives me to go crazy and binge. That is just me though and as long as I'm eating clean I'm very comfortable and happy with myself.

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Absolutely!

I tried it her way and quickly realized that being 100 pounds overweight is due to overeating, not necessarily eating bad. I have always eaten well, just large quantities of it.

I have to keep myself in check, or else I do not budge on the scale.

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Yes, I count them! I also track some nutrients I seem to have to work to get into my diet.

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Oh yeah! I count 'em for sure.

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I read in Eat-Clean Diet Recharged that Tosca never counts calories. Do my clean eating SparkFriends count calories? Just checking. I have not not started counting my calories yet but wondering if you do. I plan on starting to count them next week, after I am used to the foods.

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