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Lisa~ It really does make me wonder!
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9/22/08 3:16 P

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I know this could be a coincidence but I have a coworker whose daughter just really truly doesn't like milk so she never drank it. She didn't get her first period until she was 14 or 15. Coincidence or not??? You be the judge.

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MUDDER91: lol, no kidding!





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Yeah, I probably wouldn't have bothered switching if it were just me (I could use some bigger boobs), but I don't want my son growing boobs...

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9/21/08 6:24 P

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I'm so okay with being "one of those people" myself!

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MOMTO3BABES: It sounded so funny to read that you bought 1/4 of a cow, lol. There are a lot of people around here who buy their meat like that. I would but we don't have a big freezer...yet. Sounds like you are getting very high quality meat and definately worth the price. I have a similar story to your daughter's and that's one reason why I have been buying all organic(no hormone) dairy for a while now. There is a woman here in my town who I went to school with. Her daughter who is just around 6 or 7 drank regular milk a lot. She was drinking on average 4 or 5 glasses a day. She started growing boobs already. I'm not talking training bra size either. She's in a B cup! Her Dr. said it could be because of the hormones in milk but wasn't going to officially say that was the reason. There was nothing else wrong with her to cause it and it's not really normal for a 6-7 yr. old girl to be wearing an adult bra. Things like that just make you stop and think and I know there will always be arguments about who's right and who's wrong but i'll just keep doing what I feel is best for me and my family. I did tell her that maybe she should think about switching to organic milk because it doesn't have the hormones in it. She kind of gave me a look like "oh, so you're one of those people". I'm ok with being one of those people, lol.

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9/20/08 10:14 P

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We bought a 1/4 cow last year. The farmer doesn't use hormones, grass fed all that jazz. Cant remember the exact weight of the cow but the price wasn't all that bad...ball park range was just under $600.00. I haven't had to buy any beef since March(ish) I still have enough to get us probably through November. The beef is awesome, no nasty smell. If I was cooking beef bought from the store I would gag until it got cooked. This stuff we bought does not have that nasty slimly feel or that nasty smell to it. I've also been buying fresh eggs from a local farm $3.00 bucks a dozen more than what you'll buy at Walmart or where-ever but my god the taste difference in fresh eggs is really noticeable and don't think we'll go back to eggs anywhere else.

My daughter suffered a massive bladder infection late winter/spring. It was misdiagnosed for a few weeks. They thought it was her ovaries. She had an ultrasound done. The ultrasound showed all her eggs in her ovaries....she was 9 yrs old at that time. The lady doing the ultrasound told me that she has seen girls as young as 7 yrs old ready to start her period. My daughter has been spotting for well over a year, she hasn't had a real period yet but hearing that her ovaries were full of eggs and that she was ready to start alarmed my husband and I. At that time we would buy organic milk here and there. Now we don't buy anything with hormones. We have made HUGE changes in what we buy and how we grocery shop. We shop more farmers market we belong to a local CSA. At times I've about drove myself crazy looking for items for the kids to eat that didn't have this or that. I make more things by scratch it takes a hell of a lot more time but in the end I'm happy and my kids are actually happy with the choices. I hear complaints here and there on certain things but truly it hasn't been much.
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9/20/08 2:20 P

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I've found that when I stick to the perimeter of the store, I tend to spend less, and come home with less garbage food.

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Yeah, everything costs a fortune anymore. It seems like i'm spending at least 20-30 bucks more at the grocery each time and am not really getting much more if anything. I have noticed that organic produce is getting more affordable...or seems that way. I can usually find organic raspberries at the same price as reg. ones. They are on sale pretty often around here. This year i've frozen a LOT of vegetables from my garden and have canned even more things. Things you grow yourself always taste better and you know they are fresh! lol.

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9/19/08 5:46 P

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STAYATHOME_JEN, I find that a lot of the standard produce available in most stores were grown to look pretty in the store. Big and pretty and bred to stay that way is the top priorities in a lot of fruits and veggies, and flavor is omitted from the equitation. but I personally run into it more in fruits.

I never like the prices in any store for anything, let alone the price for certified organic produce. I complain to myself all the time about it, but still choose to pay those prices rather than buy the non organic produce. I had to make a big dish recently and I needed a lot of apples for it ...I was bringing this dish to a pot luck sort of function. When I realized how many apples I needed I decided to buy "regular" ones. I went to the store, got what I thought I needed and then weighed them. I was shocked! I was still paying over a dollar per apple. I put them back and got organic ones. I was surprised that they weren't all that much more expensive. (I think I spent only $3 extra!)

Once again....I'm not bashing anyone for their choices. I was just conveying my opinion and a personal story.

Edited by: LISA.LOU at: 9/19/2008 (17:45)
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I agree with you. If all their milk was really hormone free then they would definately be advertising it. I like saving money as much as the next person that's why I watch the ads and clip coupons. I will buy my canned goods and non-perishables at Walmart but when it comes to good organice produce and organic dairy and meat I go elsewhere. I've just read and heard to many negative things where those items are concerned. Kroger has organic produce on sale quite often and it's very good quality. Maybe it's just my local Walmart but the produce they stock is not that great.

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LISA.LOU's Photo LISA.LOU Posts: 1,902
9/19/08 5:32 P

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LOVEBEAM, "certified" organic milk is free of artificially injected hormones. What is in question here is milk produced by cows who are injected with Monsanto Co.'s recombinant bovine somatotrpoin (rBST), also known as recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH). It's an artificial version of the naturally occurring bovine (cattle) growth hormone, rBST forces cows' bodies to produce more milk than usual. If it's certified organic, it can't have been produced by cows injected with any artificial substances. I think you're good to go! emoticon

Edited by: LISA.LOU at: 9/19/2008 (17:30)
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KIM1988, I completely understand what you're saying. Because feed lots "push" the cattle, we do not eat meat commercially raised. (I stopped buying meat that was "infused" with a "solution" ...up to 10%... that, I hate to say it, but Wal-Mart sells and then eventually, as we moved more and more to eating clean, we stopped eating commercially available meats.) I realize that the vast majority of people aren't as lucky as I am to live on a farm, but we raise our own grass fed/milk fed beef (we slaughter the calves at 7 or so months old)...or on occasion we buy the same from our neighbor, "clean" fed hogs and free roaming chickens, ducks and turkeys. We're also hunters so we also bring deer and wild hogs to the table. The most questionable source of protein we ingest is fish we catch. We have no control over the water that's in the river. We also run free range laying hens for eggs.

I realize a lot of people wouldn't want to live on a farm or deal with the work and the issues (i.e. $70 yesterday to repair a tractor tire), but all in all it works quite well for us and we feel quite fortunate because we appreciate the advantages.

What one would think obvious.....the high expense of grass fed beef....is not necessarily true. There's other options than buying $10 hamburger from Whole Foods. If you can find a cattleman out in the country who runs just a few cow/calf pairs, stop in and talk to him and find out if he's got calves for sale (even if they're too young, you can prebuy) and ask about his practices. (If he's got them on their mamas and only grass great If he's got them on a medicated feed, thank him for his time and leave. If he's got them on organic grain, that's fine, too.) We have an older man next door that will sell a calf that's been getting nothing but milk and grass and is now 7 months old for $500. I know it sounds like a lot, but if you have a freezer, it's a smart buy. Hear me out. Those calves....my last one came from him....end up cut up to our specifications, wrapped and frozen....all we have to do it go pick it up....for $2.16 per pound. (Expenses were buying the calf, having it slaughtered and processed, wrapped and frozen...cost $683 or so all together.) You can't get regular ground beef for that, let alone clean beef. That's per pound for everything, too, from the leg bones we make demi glace out of to the prime cuts of meat. And talk about taste great! Also, the steaks are smaller, more reasonable sized for a dieter or anyone who doesn't want to over eat. Yes, you do need a freezer, but if you have one, it's a good buy! Sure, you got hit for a chunk of change all at once, but then you don't buy meat for months.....and you can stash the weekly meat money away so you'll be able to buy the next calf. If you can come up with the cash, you might want to try it. And don't forget, this is clean meat. No hormones or antibiotics. It tasted GREAT!


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I drink almond milk but i wanted to know does organic milk=hormone free?

When i was driking milk i would keep a mental note of the companies that my local health store kept and then buy them at Publix becaue they were cheaper. My health food store visits the manufactur of the products they care and ensure that they are providing what is on the labels.One of the milks they carry was Organicvalley(if i recall correctly)

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9/18/08 8:03 P

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I have changed from skim milk to Soy milk (vanilla flavored). I would think this keeps me from worrying about this whole hormone thing. Maybe there's something in the soy I should be worried about, it seems like there's something everywhere to be concerned about in our food.

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very interesting subject being raised here! i hear two sides to this story and they are both validated, but do any of you live on a dairy farm or even have anybody that does? changing the subject here a bit. my partner works on a f/lot that holds cattle for 100 days that are grain fed. they are then sent to be sold for supermarket and consumer use. grass fed cattle take atleast 12-18 months until they are able to be sold for us to consume. get my drift same with milk. if you want it to last and be plenty of it you have to realise that some kind of hormone treatment needs to be in the mix somewhere so you and i have plenty to drink and eat. wish i had a walmart in australia you guys have it great with a major discount supermarket that sells everything, so appreciate it! also my partner's dad has a dairy farm only about 100 cows and i have never heard of him pumping his cows with hormones. only major chains do that with a number over a 1000 or so and like i said live with the hormones or spend 2-3 dollars more for "BETTER" milk or dont drink it at all!



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My local grocery chain (Publix) has pledged not to use hormone-fueled milk so there are more low-cost alternatives. But I'm really lactose intolerant so I have to buy more expensive milk anyway.

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LISA.LOU - you make a good point. When cows as injected with hormones to have them increase there production of milk they are more likely to get sick and their antibiotics have to be administrated. Estrogen levels are quite higher in theses cows than those who do not receive such drugs. Estrogen has been linked to countless numbers of cancer including breast cancer and prostate. It is no wonder that elevated estrogen levels in adolescence are common therefore they start menstruation rather early in life. Some I would even consider as children -- as young as 8 or 9 years old..... Sometimes younger.

You would be surprised how many pregnant cows are still used to produce milk -- now that is HIGH ESTROGEN levels.

In addition after the age of 3 - most of us lack the ability to digest lactose (milk sugar). The symptoms are bloating, abdominal pain, gas and diarrhea.

I think this is a post and product worth thinking twice about. I may do about 70% of my product from the organic aisle.... and sure it costs more, but I have found a way to eliminate some of my costs by not getting chips or cookies or granola bars.... Not even occasionally.

We do have the right to make our own choices and we all have the right to educate ourselves.





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Thanks for sharing your tips. I'm still very confused at all that stuff. I try to be a good shopper and have a lot to learn on clean eating. It too am on a very tight $$ budget.

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Lisa - I'm glad you clarified. I just get sick to death of people always badmouthing Walmart but when you go there the lines are to the back of the store and the aisles are full of shoppers.

I feel the only two acceptable prejudices left is this society are against fat people and WalMart and both drive me NUTS! That's why I was so sensitive.

I will be watching the milk to see what comes of this. I bet if it is hormone free they will end up labeling it as such. It is definitely something to keep an eye on. Thank you for sharing.

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KPRATO, I'm sorry you took my post to be bashing cost conscious consumers or trying to make anyone trying to manage a budget feel guilty. That was not my intent. I'm sorry you were offended....

I do shop at Wal-Mart. In my post I mentioned that I leave there to go to the local IGA store to buy rBGH free milk. I was not trying to come off as elitist; I was trying to point out that it seems to me that Wal-Mart has contrived a marketing ploy to get people who want to buy only rBGH free milk to buy their non labeled as such milk. I'll stand behind my opinion that if they were going to sell the more expensive milk, which rBGH is, they would proclaim it and let us know and charge more for the milk. (Injecting rBGH into the cows makes them produce more milk, so 100 cows can produce the same amount of milk 120 non treated cows can....without the extra expense of having twenty more cows to feed, care for and milk.) Putting out "news" that they're going to the healthier milk, but not following up with appropriate labeling is a huge red flag to me.

With this being a clean eating group, I thought this was of interest to the members. I'm sure it is to a lot of them. Each person will have to make their own decision on just how much clean eating is worth to both their pocket book and their family or just how much clean eating they can afford. Sometimes we all have to cut corners. It's the nature of life.

I hope your 401k rebounds. I'm with you on that one. I'm sitting here nervous trying to remind myself that the last time this happened I made the smart move of not moving a dime and I eventually recouped my losses. May we all be that lucky this time!

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I agree we all need to pick and chose where and how much we can commit in term of $$$ to our healthy lifestyle...I know even moderate lifestyle changes can put a crimp in a family's budget!!! WE all do the best we can with what we have to work with and where we are in the process!!!

Thanks for the info and the forum to discuss it!!!

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I love Wal Mart and do not think they are anymore shady than any other profit centered corporation. I'm thankful that WalMart sells spinach at $1 less than my local grocer and it is the SAME brand.

I'm glad I live in a society where people can choose where they shop and spend their hard earned dollars as they please. Godspeed to all of you willing to spend $2 more a gallon. Buy it where ever you please.

Just don't bash on all of us who are glad that in these economic times that Wal Mart does exist.

Before you go shopping next time, you might want to check on your 401K's. Mine is down 12% (so far) for the year and every penny I can save does matter.

But truly buy your Milk where you please. But please don't make the rest of us trying to manage our budgets feel guilty.

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Wal-Mart= shady!

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Personally I do not carry diary products unless they are organic or made from rice. Rice milk, rice cheese, organic yogurt.

Thanks for post. Great info!



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I read an article last night titled, "Wal-Mart Abandons Milk From Hormone-Treated Cows".....sounds great, doesn't it? Think again! Read the whole article and you'll find out that they're "saying" they're milk will be produced by cows who are not being treated with hormones, they're also saying that they might not label it as hormone free. Do they really think that the public won't recognize this as a marketing ploy and not Wal-Mart being mindful of both our health and the health of the cows? I'm also not buying into the low percentage of cows being treated with hormones that they're reporting.

Here's a quote from the article: "Although Wal-Mart has decided to provide milk from cows not treated with hormones, the company is still undecided on whether to advertise that fact on milk carton labels."

I think we're all bright enough to see through this ploy. You know that if they were really doing that they'd label it as such and charge us more for it.

I can promise you that I will still leave the Wal-Mart milk on the shelves and go to my local IGA store for milk where I have my choice of two brands of rGBH free milk.

www.naturalnews.com/024228.html


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