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1/26/10 10:59 A

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Breaking Away is a quality flick. After I saw it the first time, I went straight out to try and draft a semi...

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1/25/10 5:45 P

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The other thing I find helpful: having a DVD player and monitor plus some earphones. That way if you go for the 90 minute slog, at least you can watch a good movie. (Watched Breaking Away for the first time on the last long ride... great flick...)

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1/25/10 4:50 P

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Gah!

Forgot to add my other top tip for the trainer:

Get yourself a BFF (Big Fat Fan). The bigger the better. Point it directly at yourself, and turn on high.

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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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WONGERCHI's Photo WONGERCHI Posts: 3,889
1/25/10 4:30 P

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PERRYR:
Not really. I remember seeing an article a while back (in German) where they connected up some strain gauges to a bike in a trainer and on the road. Apparently the forces on the frame were slightly heavier on the road but it looked more on the trainer because the bike is locked into place so you can see the deflections. Shame I don't have the article.

Personally I don't stand much when I ride. On the trainer, I hardly stand at all. A 20 minute hard interval is a totally different beast from a 5 minute hard interval. And even on the road, when I sprint I think "pedal faster" rather than "pedal harder." But that's my style...

That said, I've done some "stand and hammer" workouts on the trainer with no worries. These are generally of the flavour "30s on/30 off" or classic Tabata intervals (normally right before cross season). Road bike has taken the pounding no problems.



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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
-Andy Coggan

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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PERRYR's Photo PERRYR Posts: 670
1/25/10 3:32 P

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Adrian,

Great post as always. Are you concerned with the stress that riding hard in the trainer puts on your bike frame?

I've seen discussions related to this subject and have decided to not stand and really hammer while using the trainer. That's a lot of stress on a frame that is locked into a trainer. That might be part of my ambivalence toward the training, feeling as if I have to spin or at least sit.... Where's the fun in not bustin' a gut?
I have a couple of Spinervals videos that I used to force me to work harder.

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1/25/10 3:23 P

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Top tip to prevent trainer boredom:

Keep it under an hour and make it hard.

Basically to get better you either ride more miles (longer), or ride harder. With the trainer, you can't really ride longer without wanting to poke your eyes out. So ride harder.

A favourite workout of mine these days is 2x 20 minutes HARD with 5 minutes recovery in between. Add on a 10 minute warmup and a 5 minute cooldown and that's bang on an hour.

If I want to ride "long" i.e. between 1hr and 90 minutes, I'll hop on my rollers and do that.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
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If God invented marathons to keep people from doing anything more stupid, the triathlon must have taken Him completely by surprise.
-P.Z. Pearce

Specificity, specificity, specificity.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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1/17/10 9:30 A

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Riding the trainer is just like biking but without any of the fun. I find just a straight crank-it-out ride is tough even with the TV on, but drills break it up and let you train as you can't when you have to keep your balance. One-legged drills, high cadence, low-cadence with power, that sort of thing. I still prefer spin class but I'm willing to ride the trainer a couple of times a week just so I'm not saddle sore come spring.

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1/12/10 7:47 P

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ForFE... I fear that very thing. Don't have a trainer yet, but after I get the road bike, I may get a trainer too. I hate the treadmill, and I'm not a fan of spin classes, but will do them. I'm figuring I won't like the trainer either. Get me outdoors any day!


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1/12/10 5:11 P

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Try a spin class - Wish I had time and money for one.

I haven't been riding, even the trainer, but really like training videos to motivate me.

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1/12/10 4:48 P

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Trainers are very tedious and boring but they are a great workout and will keep you in shape for cycling. I'm pretty new to riding a trainer and have a love/hate relationship developing.

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Thank you very much for the in depth information! I really appreciate it emoticon

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12/26/09 4:53 P

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Perry...Thanks for all that information. Very helpful... Mike...Thanks for sharing your experience.

I'm hoping to get a road bike soon and also a trainer. My bike performance was pitiful in my last two triathlons... So hoping to get the new bike, a trainer, and a round of tri cycling classes with a pro I know and "work it!" :D


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12/26/09 12:26 P

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I have an entry-level fluid trainer (~$180ish, but I think I got it on sale for $120) and I'm very happy with it. The resistance increases with speed, so you get a very "realistic" workout. Of course, you have to have a nice fan too - to keep you cool.

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12/26/09 10:58 A

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So - The basics:

A lot of cyclists think that the best types of trainers are “rollers.” Try going to performancebike.com to look at the varieties available. Rollers are good, but they take more concentration than a trainers, and they take a while to get used-to. They force you to balance while you ride. Most cyclists who use them start using them in a doorway. Being in a doorway allows you to fall against the doorjamb. Then, with practice, they learn how to not fall and they move the rollers into an open area. The advantages of rollers over trainers are that (a) rollers allow you to work on your cycling form (including smooth riding and “holding a line”), and (b) they make you feel as if you are riding on the road. The disadvantage of rollers are (a) it is easy to fall, (b) rollers provide little resistance, (c) it is difficult to do other things (like watch TV or read) while on rollers, and (d) they are not conducive to interval riding, riding out of the seat, or anything but smooth riding.

In terms of difference between different types and models of rollers and trainers … for rollers, I do not think there is a big difference. Rollers are fairly basic devices, therefore they are all pretty similar.

Traditional trainers - There three different types of trainers that you can consider
– Fluid trainers, magnetic trainers, and wind trainers. http://cycling-review.com/accessories/bicy
cle-trainer/
Fluid trainers are the quietest, and therefore more desirable. They are, however more expensive than wind and magnetic trainers. For an article about how to select a trainer - http://www.bicycling.com/article/1,6610,s-
1-323-16521-1,00.html
and for reviews of specific trainer models - http://www.roadbikereview.com/pscTraining/
Trainers/PLS_1663crx.aspx


Don't waste your money on the cheap resistance trainers. Go for fluid if you can and magnetic if you can't afford fluid. I use a magnetic trainer with remote resistance control and am happy.
Tried a couple of the cheapo types.... Waste...

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Same here... I'm listening...


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I've never used one, so I 'm curious about the same thing.



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I am thinking about buying a bike trainer since it is to yucky to go outside and ride my bike. How exactly does it work? What should I look for? I am new to this whole biking thing emoticon Thanks!

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