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awwwww we are such mother hens about our Poodle Babies! Glad that Mighty Joe is doing good!

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Wow...Mighty Joe thanks you all for the outpouring of LOVE!

Now, we DO have stuff put up higher than Mighty Joe in the garage, but hey, it is a little messy in there, so you never know.

He didn't have any symptons of poisoning, like vomiting, etc. He was simply...."lethar-joe".

I don't think we're ever going to know what it is, unless it comes back. Then it IS canine cognitive disorder, and as the vet said, he will float in and out of it.

I've got the medication if it does come back($12.09 for TEN pills, 1 per day)...ouch!

All I can say is I am happy to have him behaving normally!

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Lots of nasties in the garage. Anti-freeze (and brake or steering fluid) drips especially. Anti-freeze is sweet but deadly to dogs. A few years ago, I saw "pet-friendly" antifreeze. Don't know if it had a nasty taste or different formulation. It was more expensive, but I'd pay for it if I could find it (the "new" car had a radiator problem and probably needs another flushing).

If Mighty Joe got into the chemicals, he's mighty lucky to have recovered. The lethargy could've been chemical-related, IMHO.

As for the grass eating, etc, lots of dogs do it, and it's not a real problem, IMHO. Might be an upset stomach or it might be a taste issue. My first poodle loved to munch a lemon balm plant at the corner of the house, but now that I have lots of them in another house, I've never had another dog who loved that flavor!

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You know what when maggie gets back we can ask her because Sue has had two other poodles. I bet Sue will know more about it. I'll go to dogster and see what they say too.

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For a long time Ginger gets a little sick and spits up a little and then she gets alright. Just like what you talking about April.
A friend of mine a few years ago that had a Poodle too said hers done the same thing.
She said that she thought it was just a poodle thing because they have got senative tummys.

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Oh I didn't know he had been found just wandering around in the garage! You know, about twice a month, april gets kind of sick to her stomach and won't eat. as soon as the door is open she FLIES out the door to eat grass as fast as she could. She never threw up that I noticed. I suspect that since she is so low to the ground, she may be licking up spiders and that is enough to make her sick. I have been very diligent in vacuuming the kitchen floor which is her preferred place to sniff around in all the corners. I have started give her about a quarter size pinch of shredded mild cheddar to calm her stomach down and that seems to do it and then she eats normally for the rest of the day until next time. I am wondering if the next time this happens if I should take a tee tee sample the next time she tee tees when she exhibits this behavior and then take it and her and have her blood drawn to see if there is anything that could be toxic in her system. I know it would be costly and Mr. Yankee Boy who tends not to let a buck go unnecessarily might squawk but I will take care of him. What do ya'll think?

Could he have gotten into something like anti freeze or windsheild wiper fluid or is there anything that he could have licked up that could have temporarily caused all this stuff for a bout a week or so til it got out of his system? Man I hope that's all it is Hon!!!!

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I am so glad the he is doing good!
I know what you mean about wandering about what if?
I do that alot with Ginger.
I worry about her alot more now since she is getting older.
The vet says that she is in extremely good health for her age.
We just take care of them the best we can.
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Just a quick update.

Mighty Joe has been quite normal since last Friday morning. That's over a week now. I DID pick up the prescription for him, and the vet said to hold off giving it to him since he's doing ok. But he says that Mighty will slip back into a state of dementia at some point.

I keep thinking that just before this all started, I left the garage door open, and found Mighty Joe wandering around in there. Could he have found something bad, or toxic, or could he have had an encounter with a critter of sorts (lizard)? And, could that 'something' have something to do with his being "lethar-joe"?

I'm just happy to have my intelligent poodle back!

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Mighty Joe is tickled pink by your request! Sure Mary, I will get a few pics up there next week. I have one where he was a devil dog for Halloween (1997 or '98) that's pretty fun!



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I thought Alzheimers was dementia! duh. at any rate I am glad he is ok for the moment. Could I ask if you would put more pictures of his little self on your web page? of ginger and april are camera queens!

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Thanks for your thoughts Rosa & Ginger! And glad to hear that Ginger is a-ok.

Now it's coming up on 2 days, and he seems to be normal and not in "lethar-joe" mode. It's so strange.

I don't have the meds from his vet yet either. But, so far, so good.

He is such a lucky dog...we love him soooo much!

I'll keep you all posted with any new developments!

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Hi, I just found out about MiteJoe. I am so sorry for him and you!
My Ginger was sick for about three weeks but she is back to normal now.
I know how worried I was about her. Too bad they just can't tell us how they feel!
Hope he gets back to normal.
My Ginger will be 12 yrs in October.
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OK...my husband corrected me...it is not like alzheimers, it is more like dementia. But...thankfully, as I mentioned...no sign of it since about 10AM Friday!

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wow! I didn't even know that existed. I hope you have a lot of good good times with your baby! He is kind of our hero here, him and 15 year old BooBoo.

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Unfortunately, yes, it is doggie alzheimers.

But this story keeps getting strange. As I mentioned earlier, he was perky when we got back from a show last night (we saw Leon Russell), and he jumped on the bed!

We are out at our desert hide-away today, and he is acting perfectly normal.

Go figure. I just hope it lasts.

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does canine cognitive mean Alzheimers?

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I did bring up the subject of something toxic in the house. Nothing in the kitchen though; haven't bought any new cleaners.

The only thing I could think of is the rug shampoo I used in the steamer machine last week on the living room shag. But, I've used that cleaner before...the Dr. didn't think that was it. It was shampoo that gets rid of pet odor. Didn't work, by the way.

We have not yet received medication for Mighty Joe. The Dr. didn't have any, so it's on order. Surprisingly, we went out last night, and when we got home, we found a very excited little dog! He even JUMPED on the bed...hadn't done that since last Sunday.

We are going to the desert for a few days...if he acts normal while we are there, then I'd have to say that it's something in this house.

This is all so weird...very draining on me...I'm like a worried Mom, no, I AM a worried Mom, doting on my little fir child!

I'll keep you all posted.

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Oops...hit the back key and it reposted. Don't know how to delete the extra...clearly not like huddle comments made when lappuppy rests her chin on the enter key....

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The situation seems so bizarre! and frustating! I hope the meds help.

However, since he zoned out most recently in the kitchen, have you checked that no cleaning products have spilled in the cabinets or elsewhere? Of course, bug season has started and a lot of those products area toxic to pets, but then you've probably checked those already.

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The situation seems so bizarre! and frustating! I hope the meds help.

However, since he zoned out most recently in the kitchen, have you checked that no cleaning products have spilled in the cabinets or elsewhere? Of course, bug season has started and a lot of those products area toxic to pets, but then you've probably checked those already.

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This whole week has been rather frightening. Just got back from the Vet, and he believes that Mighty Joe has Canine cognitive disorder.

Of course, he was all perky and passed all tests with flying colors while at the Vet! He floats in and out of reality, apparently.

So, we will start medication. The doctor didn't have any medication at hand, but it's the same medication used in people, so he is checking with a pharmacy now. Otherwise, we'll start next week.

The good news is that the vet had a dog that required the same medication at age 16 (a cockapoo), and that dog lived to NINETEEN. And was able to have great golden years because of the medication.

So, I'm willing to try it.

I think this is good news actually. All his vitals otherwise are pretty good, though his heart murmur may be a little more elevated.

I'll keep you all posted...thanks so much for asking!

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any news on Mighty Joe yet?

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OMG I just burst intoo tears. I so feel for you I know you are scared for your baby. Please let us know. I'll be praying.

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he seems a little bit better this afternoon; I have him outside now with me and the PC, but it will dark pretty soon. Good fresh air may help him a bit.

I just hope the vet can figure this one out tomorrow!

Thanks for asking!!!

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Sounds like a good idea...hope he's alright!

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Thanks for your thoughts. He IS eating; in fact, he's gained a little weight since the switch from W/D to K/D. Thankfully, he is not starving like he was when he was on W/D.

Yeah, I wish he could tell me. I also thought that perhaps the eyesight is almost gone, but he's hobbling around the house ok, and not walking into anything.

I hope Dr. Bass can figure it out tomorrow! I keep wondering if there's something toxic in the house that is bothering him. That would explain why he was perky in the car and the ER last night. That's why I'm going to take him out of here later today...and see what happens.

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Poor Joe. Something is wrong. Maybe he is in pain somewhere. maybe could he have an infected tooth? That might be why he is not excited to eat and you know how bad a toothache hurts. Thats just a stab in the dark guess. Dont you wish they could just talk and tell us what the matter is. I hope you figure it out.

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Hi folks,
I haven't posted because I wanted to give it all some time. The food switch was good; he became a lot perkier, AND started to sleep later! He now wakes up b/t 5:30 and 5:45, which is when my husband likes to get up.

That's the good news.

However, since Tuesday, he's been very lethargic (we call him "lethar-joe"). He is walking slowly in tight circles, and staring at the floor a lot. AND, sleeping very heavily.

I called the vet around 5PM yesterday; they were closing up for the day, and suggested I take him to the ER.

So I did. As soon as I put him on the ground at the ER, he perked up. He even jumped up on me a few times...totally back to normal.

He behaved normally the whole time we were there. They did blood work, etc., and found nothing wrong.

We came home. Mighty Joe jumped out of the back of the car, ran around a little in the grass in front of the house, and ran back in forth in the front hall. Then, he walked into the kitchen, stood in the middle of the floor, and just stared down.

My husband was fixing his dinner, and he had NO reaction...he usually jumps all over him. He put the food dish down...no reaction. I picked Mighty Joe up and put him in front of the food, and practically put his face in it. He ate it.

He still eats, and he does his business when I put him in the grass. But he's entirely listless.

Gave him a bath this morning...that usually gets him running around like crazy. Nothing. Didn't even run away from the blow dryer.

The vet called this morning to check on him, and I'm bringing him there tomorrow morning. Guess we'll have some more tests run.

It's sooo sad to see him this way. I'm going to put him in the car later and take him for a drive to see if he perks up any.

So, one problem resolved, another begins. I think I'd rather have the time issue back!

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How is Mighty Joe doing?

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HAHAHAHAHA You go Mighty Joe Young!!!!

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Good for him and y'all. I hope it continues!

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Signs of improvement!

Mighty Joe didn't wake up until 5:15 this morning...so we doing better than 4:30! The idea is 5:45 to 6; that's when my husband likes to get up.

Again, he was peppier last night while we watched a little TV, laying on the floor with his head up or strolling around most of the time.

Oh, the times they are a changin!

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I happened to find this thread after waking at 4 this morning because my new dog got up and I thought she was going to pee (yup, housetraining issues). It turned out she probably woke because the rain outside intensified, and she didn't want to piddle outside. Not often enough to be exhausting, like your situation, but definitely not fun.

Great that the food change seems to be working! The one thing I didn't notice was his exercise level. At whatever age, a tired pup seems to be a good and happier pup.

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EXHAUSTING!!!

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ha ha...that would be great exercise too!

Well, so far, he's still waking us up. He does appear to have more energy now though, so that's a start.

I think we have to give it a week now...

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Wellllll you could do what I used to do about 3 hours before I wanted to get to bed when I had little ones. I would bounce, dance, jiggle, thump their feet, whatever it took to keep them awake. By the time I finally let them go to sleep, they were passed out for the duration!



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hee hee.
Well, the vet did use say "that he could be developing alzheimers, like what people have". I added the doggie part.

So, let's see how this change in food helps. It's funny, usually at night when we're watching TV in the living room, Mighty Joe is snoozing under the coffee table. Last night, he was up and strutting around the house...good sign, I hope.

But, he still started his antics at 4:30! Gotta get that old food out of his system, I guess.

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See? Dogs are just like kids: Hungry = awake, full = asleep! HAHAHAHAHA

Doggy Alzheimers! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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awesome...keep us informed!

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Wow, so much splendid advice! Here's an update....

Yes, I just got back from the vet. Mighty Joe was put on W/D in March last year to help get his triglycerides down. When we had blood work done in February, those levels went way, way, down. Also in March '08, he was put on EicosaDerm, an oil that contains lots of Omega 3's.

So, given the scenario I described, he didn't say that the issue 100% guaranteed to be caused by hunger, but he leaned towards it. He also ask me questions leading up to whether or not Mighty Joe is experiencing disorientation, etc. Thankfully, no, he does not have doggie alzheimers.

So, Mighty Joe is going back on K/D, which is fattier food, but continuing the oil, which should keep his triglycerides levels under control.

We'll see what happens! It will probably take a few days to fully convert him to the different food, then we'll see!

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Soooo frustrating. Any word from the vet yet? I sure hope something works so your hubby can get some sleep!

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I agree about the sleeping too much. Maybe don't wake him up so much during the day because it would be too easy for him to catch up. But keep him awake for a couple of hours before bed time till he just about gets mad at you. I do this by carrying april around and singing to her bouncing her (she does NOT like the game dancing dog!!! LOL) play his favorite game, if he has one, like tug on the sock or ball throwing or anything. Take him for an evening stroll and if he won't walk because he is tired pick him up, but don't let him just lay in your arms. Hold him with one arm if he isn't too heavy.

Wow, this must be exhausting for you. I hope this works.

Also, is he pooping as soon as he gets up? that may be waking him up too because of the high fiber. I would take him off that food for sure, it's running through him too much.

Good luck sweetie!

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I don't think it's a bladder problem; he's actually pretty darn good about doing his business outside, unless he wants to 'teach us a lesson'. Oh, and he drinks very little water...it holds zero interest for him.

We have no intention of crating him; heck, I gave away his travel crate that we used 1X when we moved from NJ to CA almost 8 years ago.

I'm leaning towards 2 things...too much sleep in the day, and food.

Mighty Joe sleeps almost all day. I have to wake him up once in a while, and take him outside. If I'm sitting outside, he sleeps in the grass. I DO take him for walks so he gets some exercise, about 1/2 hour a day.

So, how do I keep him awake for more of the time during the day?

And now, on to the food. I KNOW he's hungry...a few times, I've left a trash bag on the floor, ready to take out to the big can in the garage. If I turn away for one second, he's on it. He was never like this before! And, you may have read about my leaving a pantry door open, and he's pulled a 20 lb bag of kibbles out and feasted on them!

So, last night, we gave him a small meal at 10PM, just after we let him out for the night. He was a bit hesitant (this was NOT routine, so he was cautious), but he dug in.

He woke us up at 4:30AM. Oh well. My husband thinks we should try for a few nights and see what happens.

Oh, and about the benydril. I did try giving him one, 3 nights in a row, about a month ago (the vet suggested we try it). Didn't work.

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When our pug got to be 14 mom had to put belly bands on him with a poise pad. They work good. Mom would probably get up walk me on a lead and go back to bed. At that age crated would be pretty devastating. If he is hungry, I agree with an evening food change.
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I've never had that problem, but maybe half a Chlortab or half a Benedryl might help until he gets used to sleeping a little longer. Are you sure all he wants to do is eat? He may have a bladder problem. What time do you usually take him out for the last time in the evening? Maybe you could take him out later?

I know this must be hard on your husband, but if you haven't crated Mighty Joe in the evenings, I don't think I'd do it now at his age. It could be traumatic.

Short of taking him out one last time before turning in for the night and temporarily giving him a half dose of an antihistamine, I don't know what else to tell you. Just hope I've helped.
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You know, April has never adjusted to the time change. she gets up the same year around and if the time changes, tuff tid-lahs for us LOL

It sounds like little Joe is getting too hungry on that food. Maybe your vet would let you supplement his diet with something just before bedtime so his tummy isn't so hungry so early. I would want to change the food. It sounds like when my daughter had her first child. Her milk was not strong enough so the baby was awake all the time at night. After she put him on something to get his tummy full, he slept much much better.

I would NOT crate him. He would grieve about it. He is too old to make him sleep apart from you guys. I hope this evens out for you. You and Your poor husband!

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I haven't spoken to the vet since just after this started. At the time, we both contributed it to the time change. But now I'm sure that this isn't the case.

Since I have to go and buy more of the prescribed food, I'll ask to speak with him while I'm there.

The lack of sleep (I let him out at 5, fed him, then stayed up + went to the computer) is getting to me, but I'm really concerned about my husband on this one, since he goes to work 8 - 9 hours a day!

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Bless your heart! I can understand your concern about the coyotes...that would scare the heck out of me...are they not skittish of people and light? Are there not traps you could set outside of your fence to protect him. That may sound inhumane, but I'd be more concerned about my dog than the coyotes so I'd set the traps to protect him if they might get close enough to my fence that they might jump it!!! I'd sure hate to kennel him though if he's not used to being kennelled.

What...if anything, has the vet said about his early morning awakenings?

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Let me add a few more parameters here. Yes, Mighty Joe poops a LOT. That's because he is on a high fiber diet, as prescribed by his Vet.

He's always hungry, 'cause he always pooping. He was actually a little thin a few months back, but he's a perfect weight now, since we gave him a bit more food.

He eats 2X a day, and if we left food out for him, it would disappear immediately.

I've thought about a doggie door, however, we live in an area where there are coyotes. They live behind the houses across the street, where there's a canal. We have seen a few walking the sidewalks at dawn. We are completely fenced in, and never had one jump over into the yard, but if it ever happened, Mighty Joe wouldn't win a fight with one.

But this makes me think that the high fiber food is causing part of this issue. The vet said that we could switch him to K/D (instead of W/D) if it was too much of an issue for us.

The other thing I should mention that until a couple months back, wake up time was b/t 5:45 to 6:15...how we long for those "good old days"!

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My first idea would be that he needs to go potty. He is 14 after all. And just like us old people the bladder aint what it used to be. have you considered a doggie door? do you have a fenced yard? I love our doggy door. Also I always leave out a bowl of dry food so that the dogs can eat when ever they are hungry. I also feed them soft food once a day. If you did that would he eat it all in one swoop. My dogs are little so you have to pretty much coax them to eat. But you might want to think about that. Is your dog over weight? Maybe it wouldnt hurt to have food out all the time.

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My Ginger does that sometimes. Her doctor said just not let her drink alot of water, before goes to bed.
I just get up and let her go outside, then we go back to bed.
She is my 6:30 alarm clock, she has programed herself to get up at 6:30 every morning!
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Ok...do y'all not have a doggie door? Mine sometimes do this as well when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom they think it's time to go too and will often times get up with me all bright eyed and bushy tailed. We have a doggy door though, so I'll just open our bedroom door and let them out cuz there's no way I'm gonna just stay up and wait for them to come in. Normally it's just my girls who'll do this. Raider has a bladder the size of a baseball field, lol and he's comfortable waiting til late morning to go out. But not the girls! lol Snickers is too small to jump up on the bed, so she'll scratch the bed wanting to get back up after she does her business at 1 or whenever and that's annoying, but other than that, I don't mind letting them out after I go cuz they'll come back in. Only thing is my husband doesn't like me leaving the doggie door open all night. He's afraid cats (or other critters) will come in. So far we haven't had that issue. I don't know about crating him since he hasn't been crated in awhile. He may not be a happy camper about that and may have some other behavioral issues crop up over that. *hugs*

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My precious and peculiar Mighty Joe has started an annoying new habit. And this has been going on before going on Daylight Savings Time.

He now wakes up between 4:15 and 5:00AM, and decides that it's time to eat! This is WAY too early; 5:45 or later would be OK.

First he starts stirring at the foot of the bed, then he annoys my husband, jumps off the bed, paces the floor on his side, and then starts scratching the side of the bed...and my husband too.

A few times, I've gotten up, grabbed him and put him back on the bed. He's quiet for 5 minutes, and he starts in again.

I have a fear of him running off and wetting a rug somewhere; after all, he's 14, plus, when he's annoyed, he will do this.

Is it time to crate him at night? We never have. The situation is starting to affect my husband; it doesn't matter to me so much since I'm not working, but it's still quite annoying.

The vet said to give him a benadryl to make him sleepy so he'll rest longer. We're not so keen on that.

Anyone else ever have an issue like this? How to solve?

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