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10/8/08 6:18 P

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I am so glad Bob is doing better. I hope that is it for him. Maggie did well after a few weeks too, but what we discovered was she had been compensating with the left leg and that stress is what finally caused that one to fail too.

It is so hard to know sometimes what they are going through. They almost never complain. All I can say is you will know when/if it is right for Bob. He'll let you know. :-)

I am pulling for him that his was just a pulled ligmaent and not something that needs surgery. Just in case, try to get some word of mouth references from people who have used your surgeon. I would even go so far as to ask the surgeon if there are any folks whose pup had it done that you could chat to about it.

But I will tell you if I had to make the choice again, I would definitely do it as long as I knew the surgeon was qualified.



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10/8/08 5:23 P

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starlasue thanks for your comments. Its nice to hear from someone that has been though it. Bob is doing so good and only showed problems that day so we havent done the surgury. But I will if it shows up again.

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10/8/08 4:41 P

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My 13 pound Maggie had the same condition. At 6 months we thought she just pulled a ligament. But the knee began to luxate. Then at 16 months the other one went out. She could hardly walk or squat properly after that.

Yes, this is evidently a congenital prob with these little ones. Yorkies have this too - a friend of mind had her Yorkie's knees done early in 2007. Having watched his progress and outcome, when we got the diagnosis for Maggie, I was less afraid of the surgery.

So last October we had both her knees done. We are fortunate to have a top notch vet surgeon nearby. She carved grooves in her bone for the ligaments, repositioned the kneecap by repositioning the tendon and pinning the bone in place.

She had a long recovery; it was on track but it does take time and energy on their people's part to get them through. We even had to help her go pee & potty b/c she couldn't squat the first 10 days or so after she came home. Bless her heart. She was creative though and could balance on two legs if she needed to! lol We can laugh now.

She has come through it like a charm and she now can run and play like she never had the problem.

It was a scary decision to make, but it was the right one for us. She was in so much pain after the second knee went that we just had to do something. Putting her down was not an option although several friends thought we were nuts putting that much money into our furbaby. It really was not an option not to try. We found the money and made it happen.

I hope little Bob gets some relief. I am a Reiki practitioner and we used it a lot on Maggie to reduce swelling and help with her discomfort.

You might want to look into complimentary modalities to work with what the vet is doing for Bob.

In some cases if the patella moves to the side and stays there - it will fuse that way. The joint is no longer a joint as such and they develop arthritis and a limp. Even with the surgery they will likely develop arthritis b/c of the joint being messed with.

Maggie sends puppy kisses to Bob.

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Don't know how to delete it but sometimes my fingers stutter too LOL

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I also hope it doesn't happen again. How scary!

Oops, I accidently hit the "post message" button twice and it double posted. Just for future reference, does anyone know if there is a way to delete the extra posting?

Edited by: SLIMMEREVERYDAY at: 9/2/2008 (15:50)
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I also hope it doesn't happen again. How scary!

I have to take care of myself first, to be able to take care of the people I love.

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Thanks so much for posting about this. Being a new dog owner (just 4 years) and never having been around small dogs before, I learn so much here about things that can happen and what causes them and what the best things to do are.

Truffle you are always ready with a link that has great information on it. thanks so much!

Poor tiny Bob. Hugs to you both. Glad he is doing better.

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Thanks everyone. The latest report is Bob is acting completely normal. I hope it doesn't happen again.

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8/30/08 4:15 P

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Poor Bob...glad to hear that the symptom went away rather quickly. Never heard of this! Yes, it sounds like it could make sense to wait...did the vet give you any idea of how often this could happen if untreated, or if it is something that would possibly go away over time?

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8/29/08 6:32 P

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I would watch as well. I used to breed and I've not heard of this condition, only hip dysplasia in the miniatures and smallers. Only thing is with joint problems is that when dogs are younger the problems are minimal, it's when they age that it starts getting really painful for them. Also realize that surgery also is harder on them as they age so the younger they are the better when it comes to surgery. They also recover faster. I have a miniature that was adopted out (we moved and my best friend and his family adopted her as we couldn't keep her with us) and she has hip dysplasia. She used to yelp every now and again when she was younger when she'd be playing around with her mom. Now that she's got some weight on her and some years, it's getting worse and she's in alot more pain. Now her adopted family is wanting to do the surgery. It would have been so much easier on her if it would have been done years ago when she was younger and thinner. It's a hard decision to make, I'm just coming from a different angle here...hope it helps!

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8/29/08 5:37 P

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Poor pup, poor mom, it is so hard to see our babies are in pain!!
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Poor baby. I agree with trufflemaker on this. If it's the first time you've seen this happen it make not make sense to jump right into surgery. Wait and see....

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8/29/08 11:38 A

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Poor Bob! I have never heard of this condition. I'm inclined to agree with you about waiting for the surgery. I would also suggest a second opinion from another vet, or even talk to a knowledgeable, conscientious breeder about the condition. A good breeder might have some insight and/or experience with it that you can benefit from.

Here is an article I found on the condition: www.articlealley.com/article_571149_
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Well I thought I would tell you guys about my tiny Bob. I went home from work the other night and When i opened the door Bob was yipping with pain. I thought at first maybe it was something that Ripley his bigger brother had done to him since he always plays really ruff with him. He would seem fine for a while and then out of the blue he would scream in pain again. So I ended up taking him to the vet. The vet says he has a luxating patella. Which means his knee on his left hind leg keeps popping out. He says it is fairly common in tiny dogs and very common in tiny poodles. He says that so much breeding to get them smaller and smaller they have become deformed in their legs. The grove that holds their knee cap in place is not there. So he wants to do surgery and make a groove in the bone and stitch the tendon down so it will stay in place. He says if I don't do it he will develop arthritis. But he seems good today and was only bad for about 24 hours and I have never seen him that way before. He is scheduled for the 12th of September. I am so worried about the anesthesia and how the surgery and his recovery will go. If he continues to be fine I am tempted to cancel his surgery and just watch him. If it happens again then I would have the surgery. He wants to do the other leg just in case a few weeks later. It will cost $475 for each leg. I am not so concerned about the cost as I am doing what's best for Bob. He is not quite 1 1/2 years old. What do you think?

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