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8/25/08 11:05 P

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I wish for a quick recovery for Diesel!

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8/25/08 9:17 P

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I'm glad things are looking up already. poor pup.
poor worried mom!!

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8/25/08 9:15 P

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Well if you think about it wounds (bites turn into very nasty wounds!) can get quite nasty and burns are pretty nasty indeed so our unit takes care of all the really gross stuff! Necrotizing fasciitis (sp) is one of the really nasty wounds we take care of and it just eats tissue (probably more than you wanted to know!) and cellulitis get pretty yucky too. I've seen people die from all the above. Just take care of him. I don't know what I'd do if one of my babies died due to human error, but I know it happens, even when it comes to human beings getting flubbed up on! Anyway...just take care of that tissue and I hope it doesn't scar too badly! God bless Diesel's heart!

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VALEROWE's Photo VALEROWE Posts: 116
8/25/08 6:50 P

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Stop the presses! The latest update from our own vet this afternoon finds us more in agreement with the fact that these are not spider bites, but rather, burns from the heating pad used during his root canal! Poodle owners take note: she said this probably would not have happened with a lab, or other thick-skinned dog with a reasonable layer of fat. But because a healthy poodle has virtually not fat layer, they burn more easily. She's seen it with Chihuahuas and other "slight" dogs. While it now appears that this was caused by human error, and could have been avoided; I'm still relieved it's probably NOT a spider bite, which could be much more devastating. She wasn't surprised with how things were progressing, and said this kind of burn takes 7-10 days to reveal itself (the timing is perfect). She doesn't think he's in a lot of pain now, but mentioned he probably was initially... which caused me to remember a yelp he made when I patted his left side on the Saturday after his surgery! It's all making sense now! Six weeks to recover. She ramped up the antibiotics for the next week while we continue to observe his progress. I've already pulled our entries and plan on looooong quiet walks to keep him in shape. That's so curious, KR2165, that you deal with both bites and burns! I'm now more informed than the "average bear" as to how these wounds progress in the healing process.

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8/25/08 6:18 P

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I workk in a Burn Intensive Care Unit and we take care of wounds from both spider bites and snake bites in humans. These wounds can get quite nasty indeed. So sorry y'all are having to go through this and I hope he gets better soon. Take care!

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8/25/08 12:46 P

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My guess would be at the indoor rodeo arena we were competing at--just kind of a hazard of such places. We were there on Friday, and the timing is perfect (postules are normally evident 6-12 hrs. after being bitten). I haven't seen the spider (and am still looking, to be sure!) and can't rule out that it might be in the house.

This is interesting to know also: most people don't even feel when they are bitten. They either see the spider, or only find out when it starts to "get ugly."

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8/25/08 12:30 P

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Poor Diesel, hoping for a speedy recovery with minimum discomfort.

Any ideas where he may have gotten bitten?


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8/25/08 12:22 P

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Hi, everyone. I've been errant in posting because this is my busy work season AND the kickoff of the fall agility season. But some other circumstances have taken some time as well. On the 14th, Diesel had to have a root canal on one of his upper canines. Then on Saturday morning, before we headed to an agility trial about an hour away, I noticed a bump on his side. What was really odd was that the hair was just falling out all around it...like a black cotton ball! There was a sore about the size of a pencil eraser. I called the vet right away and got an appointment at 11:30. The receptionist suggested cleaning the area, so I promptly dropped him in the tub. By the time we got to our appt., four wounds were evident, the largest about the size of a nickle. The diagnosis was a bite of some sort, but what kind could not be determined. The wounds were fresh and bleeding. The vet cleaned the area, gave me some antiseptic wipes, and prescribed a new antibiotic. Off we went to the trial. About 1 pm, I decided to start taking pictures to monitor the wounds' progress/regress. By then you could see the wounds were developing "craters." The nice thing about an agility trial is that so many vets compete. So I got a second, third, fourth, fifth and SIXTH opinion. Of course, it looked a lot different by then than it did when my own vet saw it. What she saw looked like an abraision, but what they saw looked like acid burning into the skin. They all agreed on "insect or spider bite," but the most revealing opinion was "brown recluse bite." I did some voracious reading and think I can safely conclude this is the case. As of this morning, the venom continues to progress (progression can last up to 96 hours after the initial bite,) so we're in this for the ride, I guess. We have a follow-up visit to the vet this afternoon. Thankfully, I also had some pain pills left over from the root canal, so I'm able to keep him comfortable until then. Although I kept him in a t-shirt to not lick or scratch the area, he doesn't seem too troubled by it. Occasionally he'll whip his head back as though he's feeling a sting, but for the most part, he's leaving it alone. The vet said the most important thing was to keep it clean and dry. We're not through this yet by a long shot, but my hope is that he won't develop a serious infection from the necrosis, and the cleaning and care will keep the venom's spread to a minimum. So here we are, and "what" you might ask "is the moral of the story?" Never second-guess your instincts. Getting him to the vet immediately and on an antibiotic appropriate to his condition was critical (while the root canal one was helpful, I'm sure, the vet said the new one was more effective with skin issues.) If something "doesn't look right..." it probably isn't, and your reaction time can make a big difference.

Vaya con perro!


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