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May we live to hike a long long long time!!

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Linda, I totally agree with you! I do everything to be safe and don't take chances but accidents happen and even the most careful, prepared, well-trained people mess up once in awhile. I'd rather die doing something I love than languish in misery - but given my choice, I'll postpone that day as long as possible!


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Lynda I remember seeing that one on I SHouldn't Be Alive also. And also the female runner in Utah who slipped on a ledge and fell and broke her pelvis. I saw her on some show later about running I think and she still runs now and I think has had 2 kids since her accident. But she almost died.

SASHADIEKEN that's awesome that you want to be part of Search & Rescue! Good luck on the applications. I'm sure they can use your skills.

SInce I live in a rural area with lots of wilderness and forest around from time to time things do happen. Not very often but they do like the stories I already shared. The most recent was just a couple of months ago when a famous runner named Micah True was about 40 miles from here on the edge of the wilderness staying at an in owned by some friends for a little visit. He is famous because of his running and organizing races and stuff for a tribe of Indians in Mexico who live in a remote part of the jungle and he would run there a lot. There was a book about him called Born To Run. He went out for a run while he was here and is usually very cautious about knowing the area he's running in when he goes out. He didn't return to the lodge this time. I think it was 5 days later when his body was found. Some famous runners traveled from all over the US to help in the search for him when they found he was missing. They finally found him by a creek. It took weeks before autopsy results were released but apparently he had a heart defect he didn't know about and died of a heart attack out there. The positive side to this is that his friends all said he died doing what he loved. If I were to die suddenly of a heart attack while hiking I would be doing the same thing. I don't want to have that happen, and don't want to do stupid things, but I would rather die of a heart attack while hiking than die a slow death of something else or be hit by a car. I think many of us, if we had our choice, would love to either die in our sleep or die doing something we love instead of some of the alternatives. But I am going to do everything I can to remain safe.
I think that's most of the stories about our area that I know of. When you consider how many people are out in the hills around here hiking, backpacking, hunting, running, etc, and that there is hiking areas of various types in all directions out of town for miles, the three stories I told is a very very small percentage of the people out there. We need to be prepared but not let fear stop us from doing what we love. I tell people that I think my risk of being in a car accident or gettng hit by a car in town are much greater than my risk out hiking. There are dangers but there are dangers all around us. When I drive long distances by myself I have reasonable precautions I use. The same thing when out hiking. It brings me more peace and joy than any other activity I do and I love hiking!

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After our mushrooming experience last weekend I've made a decision not to go out in the woods without a well-equiped fanny pack! I'm starting to put together the contents.

My husband and I have both submitted applications to the local Search and Rescue team. We probably are no longer strong enough to be on the search team but we do have skills to offer. I could serve as a family liaison and my husband can run errands.

I'm also educating myself further on first aid, search/tracking, wilderness survival, etc.



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Yikes, that could have been a huge problem to be lost in Grizzly country! Yikes and yikes again!

Linda, I saw the story about that couple on the TV - another one that made a deep impression on DH and me was the Stolpa story - it was a young couple and their baby heading to the grandfather's funeral in Idaho - there was a big storm on the main road so they took a 'short cut' on a road that it turns out was closed for the winter. My husband and I were actually somewhat near the area when they were searching for the family in January 1993. I remember seeing the posters with their pictures asking 'Have you seen this family?' on store windows and other places around town and clearly remember sitting in a Reno motel room watching TV when 'breaking news' came on to announce they had been found alive.

The husband was in the army and trained in survival - when they reached the point where they could no longer drive, they thought the highway was just a short distance ahead of them so they got out of the truck and hiked toward it. After 13 miles, they realized they had made a near-fatal mistake so the husband built a snow cave, left his wife and baby and hiked the 13 miles back to the truck where he spent the night, then hiked another 22 miles the next day to get help. He suffered severe frostbite [so did the wife] and other cold-related problems but was able to accurately tell the rescuers where to find his family. The rescuers rode out on snowmobiles, found the family and brought them out. The baby was fine, the wife had frostbite and it was an absolutely amazing story.

The Stolpa story was on I Shouldn't Be Alive and was also a made-for-TV movie like the ones you see on Lifetime TV. My husband and I were so impressed by the story, we drove the area last year to see for ourselves what they had faced. Now that we've seen it, we're even more impressed than ever!!

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And I'm soooooo glad it wasn't me stranded out there!!

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I don't think people always stop and consider how dangerous it can be out hiking. I heard a ranger from Yosemite once say that he's been asked what time they release the animals in the valley like its a zoo or something.

Speaking of Yosemite, DH and I were hiking out to gosh..Cathedral Lake maybe once and ran into a guy who was coming up from the valley. He was obviously an experienced hiker but had underestimated the elevation change so it had taken him a couple of days longer than he planned for. He had been out of food for about 24 hours. We gave him some peanut butter crackers and he pretty much swallowed them whole. We were heading out for a picnic so what the heck dude, here's a turkey wrap with cheese and an apple. I think he would have given us his first born. By then he only had maybe 4 miles to go so I'm sure he was fine and we had plenty of food anyway.

A couple of years ago DH and I were crossing Hayden Valley in Yellowstone. The entire family was there for my parent's 50th anniversary. We had talked them into dropping us off and letting us do a through hike - ah precious alone day. We had to go around a herd of bison and lost the trail. It really wasn't a big deal. We knew we just needed to keep the river in sight and eventually we'd either find the trail again or find the car. Worst case, we have to swim across the river to the road. While we were out there my dad radioed us to see when we thought we'd be back so he could make dinner reservations. Oh hey dad, yea uh no problems here, things are cool, we are totally NOT lost in grizzly country or anything, not sure about dinner though, maybe an hour or so.

We didn't tell him until about a year later what was going on - haha my poor dad, no wonder he has grey hair.

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And here's another local story that wasn't me but was scary. This one is a couple who lives in my town and went out in a jeep on some 4 wheel roads in a remote area about 30 or 40 miles from here. It was summer and in the desert area south of here and very hot. This was actually on an episode of "I Shouldn't Be Alive" or something like that on A & E or Discovery Channel or one of those stations. When I watched the show I remembered when they were searching for them in the news, but seeing the reenactment of it really brought home what they went through. The husband was driving. I forget their ages but both were over 60 and maybe closer to 70 but very active. The jeep overturned and they weren't hurt but couldn't get it uprighted again. They didn't have a lot of water with them because they were just going for a drive. I think they each had 1 bottle of water but no extra. They had a picnic lunch. They hiked one way hoping to get to river they knew was there and they thought they could get out by following it. When they got there though the terrain was too bad for them to cross or follow the river. The man filled his water bottle from the river, although he knew it wasn't the best for drinking but figured it was better than nothing. The woman declined. They hiked back to the jeep, spent the night there, and then the next day started trying to hike out a different direction. It was 3 or 4 days before they were found and the woman had collapsed and couldn't go any further from kidney failure. The man did a little better because of the water he drank that she wouldn't drink. He was in definite trouble physically too but was able to walk on a little further and leave her to try to find some help. He did and they were both rescued and treated at the local hospital. I think it said she had some health problems from the kidney failure but otherwise they are doing okay. This was just a couple of years ago.

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Yeah those ungrateful hikers could have used more precaution and been more prepared, then they might not have had to spend the night there. But they should be glad they weren't still out in the elements and that they had food, water, blankets, and a sheltered place to sleep in!
Reminds me of a hiker who got lost in our Black Range area a couple of years ago. He was from El Paso, about 3 hours away. He had come alone to hike in the area, and had hiked other times in the area before. He had a lab mix with him named Zulu. Somehow he got lost. He just had on a windbreaker. It was late fall and weather can be very unpredictable. The day he got lost it was very nice but the next day or two, while still lost, we had a blizzard. I think it was almost 7 days later before they found him. He was almost dead but did survive. he was unconscious at the time. What had saved his life is that his lab Zulu was lying on him when rescuers spotted them and had helped keep him warm. Zulu got scared though and took off when the rescuers approached and was never found. Volunteers and family looked for that dog for a long long time and there was a reward offered. They had even brought in a couple of experts in finding dogs who get lost like that. But he never turned up. The family was devastated and so was the man because they had already loved the dog very much but knowing he saved the man's life made Zulu that much more precious to him. The man thought he was going for a short hike in an area he had done some exploring in before. There is no cell service in that area. He just had a windbreaker and wasn't prepared at all. His kidneys had failed and he had to spend some time in the hospital and then in rehab but recovered quite a bit. For a while the family posted a blog I followed with updates on both the man and the search for the dog but they eventually quit posting after a few months. It seemed the gentleman was doing okay though.

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Wow, those are some interesting adventures!! I have never spent a surprise night in the woods, but have hiked back pretty darned late a couple of times. I do carry emergency supplies but the selection varies by where I'm hiking - if I'm going into an area that doesn't have cell service AND is not well-traveled, I usually take supplies geared for an emergency overnight stay.

As stated, one never knows when an injury or sudden weather change might alter plans - not long ago, I heard about a group of hikers who trotted out on a super-long hike in very windy weather without even taking a jacket [although they were at 10k+ elevation!!] and were lucky that a ranger helped them out - they were depending on a tram to get them back down to town from their isolated area and somehow nobody in the group figured out that super-high winds would shut it down! The ranger wasn't allowed to let them spend the night in his office quarters for security purposes so he put them in a large shed with blankets, food and water - the report told about how angry the hikers were that they weren't given better accommodations! My reaction was that they should have prepared better, looked at the weather forecast and had a better idea of what they were getting into before taking off like that! At a minimum, when they noticed EVERYONE was leaving the area, they could have asked to find out why - and, ummmm, there's the little issue of the WEATHER WARNING NOTICE posted at the tram depot they could have read. Oh, well, I hope they learned why they're supposed to carry emergency supplies.

I have had the opposite of a night in the woods, though - one time I was on a camping trip with my camper van when it developed mechanical trouble and had to be towed to a mechanic. I was stuck and had no option other than staying in a motel for a few days, which I had not budgeted. But - compared to other stories I've heard, hard to work up much sympathy for my situation, haha!

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Even on shorter hikes when closer to home or in familiar territory the unexpected can happen. An injury, car problems, lots of things that may result in spending a night when you hadn't planned to. Carrying a few basic essentials can come in handy. Especially if it's not on a trail that is real heavily used. I've been on some hikes in popular areas where there were so many people around that if anything happened there were lots of people to report it but a lot of trails are not really isolated but still may only have a half dozen or so people a day on it. There are a lot of trails in my areas like that. Carry a little nonperishable food and extra water and first aid etc could also come in handy if you ran into someone in distress. I run into a lot of individuals hiking alone in my area, both male and female. I'm not the only one. So if I had a chance to help someone else out too by being a little prepared.

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The 10 essentials is a good idea when going on a long hike in unfamiliar territory. If I'm hiking in a very familiar place near home, I don't bring all the gear, it's mostly for the longer, more adventurous days out!

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Oh wow, you are some brave hikers! I got lost once and started feeling frantic cuz the sun was starting to set, but I've never actually got stuck overnight unexpectedly! Idk what I would do since I never do a day hike with anything i might need if I get stuck. Maybe I should start hiking with some emergency gear!

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I've been on both sides of this scenario, we've spent a few nights out unexpectedly, what I called a 32 hour day hike...and another time a group of us were very late coming back from a climb (we actually didn't spend the night out, but our friends wife called for a rescue when we weren't back, and she was unable to reach him by cell phone). On the other hand I've had those worried moments when my boyfriend was out on a day adventure, and didn't get back until the next morning....those are some worried times! Of course he didn't think anything of it, since he knew he was all right! I guess we didn't think anything of it when we were out late either....but I do "get" how your dad's felt!

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I did once about 10 years ago! I had taken a back forest road in my car and my car broke down. I had been doing some hiking and just enjoying the area. No cell signal in that area. I was about 1/4 mile from a campground by a lake. Luckily I had some food and stuff to drink in the ice chest I had with me. About half hour or so after I broke down some guys came along that were working on a project out there and took me to a pay phone way up on the mountain in the middle of nowhere! I called my daughter, told her where I was, and told her to find someone to come and get me. I was about 3 hours from home and the only way in there are a couple of forest roads and it was already dark. It was a Monday of Memorial Day weekend. I had my dog with me and we ended up spending the night in the car. It got chilly up there at night but I had 2 large empty garbage bags in the trunk of my car. I put the lower part of my body in one and wrapped the other around my upper body and was just fine. It was about noon the next day when a wrecker finally got to me. The campground had running water so I could refill my water bottles. I did just fine and it was all okay and I just relaxed and kind of enjoyed the adventure once I had contacted my daughter cause there was nothing else to do. However I there are some things I am more careful about now! And if I have nothing else in my trunk I always have some garbage bags LOL!. Actually I have a backpack I keep in my trunk with water, snacks, emergency blanket (those aluminum ones) and some other things in case I ever break down on or off the main roads.

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We were picking only morels. Actually after everything turned out alright I dried what we did pick and got 7 oz. Of course now our "secret picking ground" is revealed :)



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yikes that does not sound like a good time

I'm impresses that you know how to pick mushrooms without you know, liver failure and all.

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My husband did, just last Saturday. The story is on our son's website:
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I have once. I was 16 and hiking with my best friend who was 15. It's a long story but the keywords are: gorge, river rocks, sprained ankle, banged up elbow, raging thunderstorm, slippery clay trail, and ooh LOOK a cave.

Let me tell you, 2 teenage girls who don't come home from a hike create major excitement like you would not believe. The excitement apparently ramps up when theirJeep is located at a trailhead where, it should be noted we SAID we were going. We were found the next morning the second I sparked up the fire to get warm and let the trail dry out a bit before we embarked on the 3-legged hobble out.

We were still down there while they were getting my friend's ankle stabilized when the DADS showed up. OH boy were the dads unhappy. I was downing my 3rd granola bar that some angel of a searcher brought when they emerged on the scene. We were saved by my friend being injured. That and my dad was actually rather smug when he saw our little camp and heard from the rescue people how we had done everything right.

All in all I think we had a better night of it than the dads. I don't think they were up all night talking, giggling, and having a grand adventure of it - not so much no.

That weekend we got nice, really expensive walkie talkies. I don't think it was a coincidence.

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