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5/31/12 4:42 P

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Good for you - I'll stop worrying now ;-) and will be looking forward to a FULL REPORT on how this story turns out
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5/31/12 4:10 P

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This is very sound advice. Basically we're getting to Flagstaff Thursday evening and leaving Tuesday morning. My BIL is taking some time off while we're there but all the niece/nephew/ and their SO's are only off on that weekend. Since he was the only one who wanted to do the Humphrey's hike we said we'd do it on Friday but we could also do this on Monday.

It isn't quite enough time really but 4 nights is better than 1. I'm 44 but I'm a runner - yea yea so was the guy who DIED up there this past weekend so there's that.

Of course a lot of this has to do with the weather. There's so much to do in that area that I'm positive we can find things to do especially with BIL being a native boy and full of ideas.

It's just that I have some unfinished business with that mountain and dangitall I want to make it to that summit.

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LYNDALOVES2HIKE's Photo LYNDALOVES2HIKE Posts: 33,955
5/31/12 4:00 P

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I was thinking about your hike as I drove home [from Williams, just outside Flagstaff] and it kept nagging at me to suggest that you take some time to acclimate before trying to do a lot of hiking, esp something like Mt Humphreys. Even if you just spend two days getting used to the altitude, it's a lot safer, and taking more time would be even beetter! I'm encouraged by your posting that safety is important to you so good for you!

But keep in mind that Mt Humphreys is over 12k ft in elevation, which is more than our bodies can safely adjust in 'one step' - in fact, it is considered VERY HIGH ELEVATION, which puts it into a somewhat different category than climbing even a couple of thousand feet lower. Most 'real' mountain climbers use the rule '2 nights for every 3k ft elevation increase' over their usual level. I realize that isn't always possible and in your case, that would mean spend a week in Flagstaff before trying to summit.

It's possible that if you're really young and in great shape, your heart may be able to handle it easily....but keep in mind that anything above 10,000 ft elevation involves a significantly lower air pressure level and above 12,000 ft can actually be dangerous for people who don't acclimate. I've heard from people who work as medical support for high elvation rescue [to let know they do have some expertise] that launching into 'vigorous exercise' at an elevation 8k to 10k higher than you usually exercise can trigger heart attacks, brain swelling and/or stroke, even in very fit young people, because of the change in air pressure. Think of how it affects plastic water bottles or similar items when you go above 5k and then what happens when you come back down - they will first swell, then collapse - all because of the change in air pressure! The higher you go, the more pronounced the effect.

Anyway, I don't want to sound like a worry wart but when I wrote my first reply lat night, I wasn't really thinking about the elevation of Mt Humphreys but more like the elevation of Flagstaff. Quite a difference! Please think about taking a little more time before trying to hike in 'very high elevation' ;-)


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5/31/12 9:57 A

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Good luck and take care, it will probably be tough going up that high your first day up there, but going slow will make it easier. The tip to stay hydrated is a good one, you can also use ibuprofen to help if you get a headache at altitude, I would take ibuprofen and tums, since my stomach often starts to turn after the headache sets in....of course if you get bad symptoms of altitude sickness, its best to turn around and descend. Like you said, this won't be your only chance to summit, and even if it was, it wouldn't be worth your life!

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APONI_KB's Photo APONI_KB Posts: 158
5/31/12 8:48 A

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So my BIL sent me an email this morning telling me that someone died up there over the weekend. He said it was 26 with 30-40 mph winds so the windchill was around zero. This guy was apparently an experienced hiker and a runner.

That's NOT a Christmas story. I do wonder if its a case of someone not wanting to turn back. We had to turn back the last time we tried this and it was a really tough decision even though logically we knew we were in serious danger.

It's a little easier I think for me, with family in the area it isn't like this is a once in a lifetime deal here. If it doesn't happen this trip, we'll try again later. I love hiking and really want to do this but I'd rather be smart about it.

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5/30/12 8:14 P

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Good luck with Mount Humphrey - sounds like a great time to me! I also live around 400' elevation and have just spent the past several days hiking at 6k-7k+ elevation - it really does make a difference! I'm sure you know to drink, drink, drink H20 - and it helps to drink as much as possible for a couple of days before getting there, too!

Have a great time and don't forget to post an update to let us know how you did!!
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5/30/12 11:19 A

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We're going to visit my sister and her family next month in Flagstaff. It's at 8,000 feet, which means that my entire family LIVES at 8,000 feet. I live at 200 feet. Even my cabin in the mountains is only at 3,000 feet.

My brother-in-law, DH, dog, and I are planning to hike to the peak of Mount Humphrey. We tried this once before and right about the time we got to the tree line a vicious ice storm hit so we bailed.

The good news for me is that BIL has been having knee trouble. Not to be mean just glad that this will slow him down a bit.

Because for scheduling reasons we're going to do this hike the first full day we're there. Yea so I'll have roughly 12 hours to adjust to the altitude before we do this hike.

dios mio what have I gotten into

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