Advertisement -- Learn more about ads on this site.
 

team749forum


  Team Forum
Let's go Hiking

A Guide to Posting in Your SparkTeam Forum

  FORUM:   General Team Discussion Forum
TOPIC:   Attacked on Trail 


Search
Reply Create A New Topic Subscribe to this Discussion
Advertisement -- Learn more about ads on this site.
Author: Message: Sorting Last Post on Top


HAWAIIANMAMMA
HAWAIIANMAMMA's Photo Posts: 2,792
7/18/12 9:02 P

Send Private Message
Reply
You know, not only did that guys spend 90 days in jail, but he's also on the registered sex offenders list for life. GOOD! I am so sorry you experienced that, but I'm sure your pup will serve you well. I can't wait to hear how your first hike goes!

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.


251 Days since:  Drama
 
0
75
150
225
300


DETERMINEDBABE
DETERMINEDBABE's Photo Posts: 887
7/18/12 7:57 P

DETERMINEDBABE's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Hear hornet spray really works great too and shoots far!

I go on trails but there are a lot of people on the trails I hike so even though I might be a lone I am still around a lot of people passing either way.

Sorry that a jerk had to ruin your enjoyment but glad to hear you are not going to allow their evil to stop you from doing what you love!

God bless

I choose to succeed with a positive attitude all things are possible! Hugs


 current weight: 150.0 
 
265
230
195
160
125


FEB_SHOWERS16
FEB_SHOWERS16's Photo Posts: 2,057
5/22/12 11:46 P

FEB_SHOWERS16's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Oh thank you so much! You all have such great tips and advice!

I know I should not have been so terribly affected by what happened, but I had JUST moved to Texas and everything was new to me. I'm originally from Seattle, WA, and then Dayton, OH... so I felt like an alien on a foreign planet here!
I'm no wimp, either. So I'm surprised I've allowed 3 years to pass before making the decision to go out again. But I really wanted to have a dog with me and it's taken 3 years to convince my husband to adopt one.
She's wonderful! I've been thinking a lot about the additional things I'll need to carry, so I appreciate the tips there.
The bear spray is a good idea. As far as packin', I'm not willing to kill anyone but have plenty of training on how to use a gun for protection without killing anyone. However, I'd prefer not to hike with a gun. I'd rather just hike with my dog and some bear spray... so I'll do some research into getting some of that.



Marie








 current weight: 130.4 
 
271
234.5
198
161.5
125


WATERFELON
WATERFELON's Photo SparkPoints: (18,428)
Fitness Minutes: (14,563)
Posts: 489
5/21/12 12:45 P

WATERFELON's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Very scary, indeed. I'm sorry you've lost 3 years on the trail for the experience, that's a high price to pay for someone elses crime. Taking that first step will be good for you. Might be hard, but it will help you progress in recovering from the experience.

Personally I'd really echo the pepper spray suggestion. Unless you are really, REALLY prepared to kill someone, disabling them with pepper spray is a far less dangerous proposition. I carry a canister whenever I hike, and I hike alone all the time. I'm like you, I prefer to hike alone (and I'm a 46 y/o single woman) but have hiked in groups. I will hike in groups now and then if it's a new place or someplace I'd really like to see. But more often than not, I'll just wake up and grab my dog's leash, pack our gear and away we go!

Creeps like that are everywhere-big city, foreign city, park, mall, outdoors-it's hard to avoid having to deal with them now and then, but it's exponentially harder when you're on the trail alone. There is something fundamentally frightening about being out of earshot of any other human being who might come to your aid when confronted with a fight or flight situation, I don't blame you for being scared and congrats on having enough presence of mind to get his license plate # to turn him in!

One thing I'd mention with your new dog. He or she has needs as well. When you're planning your outings, you'll need extra food and snacks-doggy snacks!-and perhaps water for him/her, so plan and pack your backpack weight accordingly. Also a small doggy first aid kit just in case, they have special kits just for our 4 legged friends. Mine has all the usual first aid supplies, but also a razor and blood clot powder in case, God forbid, my dog is injured badly enough to need a field dressing. When I hike with my dog, I double the amount of water I carry-again just in case-and carry extra special treats just in case he gets away from me. My dog is a leader, if he gets out of my hand, he is very tempted to chase things. I carry his favorite treats to make sure I can retrieve him-it rarely happens, but he'll always come for his happy treats!

I'm glad you're healed enough from your experience to get back on the trail again. Taking that first step in recovery is hard, but so important to your mental health so that you can move on and heal from the trauma. Good luck!


 current weight: 234.4 
 
234.4
210.8
187.2
163.6
140


MOTIVATED@LAST
MOTIVATED@LAST's Photo Posts: 13,651
5/21/12 11:06 A

MOTIVATED@LAST's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
In my experience, most people I meet on trails are pretty straight-up - far less weirdos than in cities. But your story is proof that the risk is not zero. At least the guy you met sounds just perverted, not dangerous. But I can understand why it would put you off.

One suggestion I have seen is to carry bear spray (less permitting hassle, can be carried openly and accessibly without threatening anyone, gives you a highly effective option to deal with 4 (or) 2 legged animals with less than lethal force, and lightweight). Not sure if there are bears in SHNF as an excuse to carry it, but anyway ...

I assume that carrying a cell phone is standard for most people. But when I am solo in the backcountry and well beyond cell range, I carry a Spot Messenger as an emergency communications system.

M@L

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.


 current weight: 178.0 
 
220
203.5
187
170.5
154


KAYOTIC
KAYOTIC's Photo Posts: 12,371
5/21/12 9:44 A

KAYOTIC's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Keep us posted on how it goes, I bet the pup will love being out there with you!

highest weight ever:202, SP starting weight: 143

New goal: 125 lbs, just to see what that looks and feels like! Hit it: Feb 2013!

H: 5''4" 49 y.o.

"Don''t let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers

"Eat Food, Not Too Much, Mostly Plants" Michael Pollan



 current weight: 11.0  over
 
15
7.5
0
-7.5
-15


FEB_SHOWERS16
FEB_SHOWERS16's Photo Posts: 2,057
5/20/12 10:11 P

FEB_SHOWERS16's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Thank you all so much for your encouragement and advice! I have taken self defense classes, so I'm good there.

Looking forward to my first hike with my new puppy! I'm going to wait about a month or so... and I'm already planning out my route.

Thanks again!

Marie








 current weight: 130.4 
 
271
234.5
198
161.5
125


LYNDALOVES2HIKE
LYNDALOVES2HIKE's Photo Posts: 33,955
5/20/12 1:00 P

LYNDALOVES2HIKE's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I'm sorry you were so traumatized, Marie, and I can understand your depression at not feeling safe on the trails. I am VERY IMPRESSED that you took charge of the situation by running away and taking a picture of his plates - GOOD FOR YOU!!! Your actions kept that guy out of circulation for 90 days and might have forced him to get treatment to change his behavior! If nothing else, he's going to think twice about doing this again!!

At the same time, it seems to me that if the guy was actually going to physically attack you, he would have done that first - the statistics are pretty clear that people who expose themselves like that are looking for the shock value but rarely actually do anything physical - or if they are going to do something physical, they would do that first. In other words, if he had grabbed you before exposing himself instead of the other way around.

But either way, it is still scary to encounter a 'flasher' like that!!! I've run into perverts on city streets and even once when walking with a man so it's the type of thing that can happen anywhere and any time - fortunately, it's really rare. Also, a robber, rapist or killer probably would have grabbed you at the car rather than following you up the trail. So while it was clearly an emotional trauma and probably triggered all sorts of 'what if' scenarios in your mind, it's not necessarily going to lead to a physical attack.

There are dangers on the trails from hiking or walking alone - that's for sure - but I don't think they are any greater and maybe less dangerous on trails than walking alone on city streets. I guess it all depends on the area you live in but WHEREVER people walk alone, there's the possibility of attack, and having others with us is not a 100% guarantee - I just don't think we should let those thoughts or fears stop us from enjoying life because the chance of injury or death is possible 100% of the time - on the road, at home, on trails, in parking lots. But that doesn't mean we should spend 100% of our lives living in fear - just exert reasonable care, learn how to be safe and aware, and if necessary consult a cognitive behavioral therapist to help you put everything into perspective and make other suggestions.

I wonder if you might feel safer to carry a pepper spray canister - if you are concerned about the effectiveness, get a bear canister! Those have a longer range, more effect and stronger concentrate, although they are also heavier. I personally don't like the idea of carrying a gun - the chances are too high that a true attacker would disarm me and turn the gun on ME! And accidents happen - I might accidentally shoot myself or someone else. Those are just my opinions but I've grown up around guns, had them myself and was a pretty good shot! But after reading and thinking about them a lot, I decided the disadvantages are greater than the advantages for me so I don't own any guns now and when my dad passed away, I told my brother to take all his guns as I didn't want any of them. As I said, just my opinion and I know a LOT of people disagree [including my sister, both brothers and a lot of friends I've known over the years - they have their opinion and I have mine!!]

I agree with the idea of getting defense training. I remember seeing a TV show many, many years ago [maybe Oprah] where a number of women who had successfully defended themselves in an attack were interviewed. One of them that really stuck in my mind was an ELDERLY, frail, gray-haired African-American woman who looked like the type of person you'd want to help across the street! Without getting too graphic, she basically twisted the man's testicles and bit his private part so hard she almost severed it - he tried hitting her head to make her stop but when he realized she was just biting down harder every time he hit her, he stopped and started yelling for help! I realized then that if a frail elderly lady like that could successfully fight off an attacker, I could, too.

Another idea is that body language and 'attitude' can attract or deter negative encounters like this - I'm NOT saying the victim is to blame!! But there are attitudes, ways of walking and appearing that make one person seem more vulnerable while the next person seems strong. I think some self-defense classes teach ways to project confidence and strength without being aggressive or masculine so that's another reason to think about taking self-defense training.

I am SO SORRY you had this experience and wish I could give you a big hug - your dog will definitely be a big confidence booster and probably more than enough to protect you when hiking but please consider the pepper spray and defense training in addition - and HAPPY TRAILS for your future!!!

emoticon

Lynda in Orange County, So Calif

***********************

God Grant me Serenity to Accept the things I cannot change, Courage to Change the things I can and Wisdom to Know the difference!

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. -- John Wooden

"Winners are not those who never fail, but those who never quit."


 Pounds lost: 20.4 
 
0
8.75
17.5
26.25
35


KAYOTIC
KAYOTIC's Photo Posts: 12,371
5/20/12 11:06 A

KAYOTIC's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Sorry to hear you had such a horrible experience out there, things like that should never happen,but they do, unfortunately. I'm glad you got the guy thrown in jail for that, but sad that it had such a negative effect on you, and created such a sense of fear. Did you ever talk to anyone about it to work through that?

You may just want to try a group to see how it goes, and to get you out there in a way that feels safe to you. I think if you do, you may be able to overcome the feeling of fear, and regain some of the joy you feel in hiking, and like another poster said, you aren't obligated to socialize with the group, many folk end up hiking "alone" with the group, especially on more strenuous hikes, groups can spread out fairly far, but you know that there is someone close by if you need them.

I wonder also, if perhaps taking a self-defense course may be helpful, not only with ideas of how to fight off a potential attacker, but also with ideas of self-protection in your particular situation. It might help you to feel more in control.

Hope you get out on a trail soon, there is so much peace in nature, so it really makes me sad that a pervert was able to take that away from you.

highest weight ever:202, SP starting weight: 143

New goal: 125 lbs, just to see what that looks and feels like! Hit it: Feb 2013!

H: 5''4" 49 y.o.

"Don''t let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers

"Eat Food, Not Too Much, Mostly Plants" Michael Pollan



 current weight: 11.0  over
 
15
7.5
0
-7.5
-15


RICKISMOM1
RICKISMOM1's Photo Posts: 612
5/20/12 1:48 A

RICKISMOM1's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
This last summer I went to visit my mother in Estes Parjk. I was excited to go hiking again in the rockies, finally able with my weight loss to attempt some serious hikes that I had not been able to try 2 and 4 years previously. HOWEVER, my mother was no longer able to hike with me (as in previous years), due to a blood clot in her legs. (caused by smoking which she gave up 40 YEARS previously- smokers beware, it's not just cancer!!!!).
I was also concerned about safety (even though at 60, I am not exactly what perverts are looking for, but sometimes hikers get attacked for money). So I did the following:
1) Carried a cellphone (although in many areas they won't work....)
2) Hiked only on trails that are often used
3) tried to hike near other groups of hikers

please call me *Rickismom*, I'm most comfortable with that.....(especially since I am currently dealing with Ricki's recent death /I am an American living in Israel , and have lost over 70 kilos.
* * * *
Don't worry needlessly: "Let Go and Let G-d"
BLOG: beneaththewings.blogspot.co.il/


 current weight: 153.0 
 
330
285
240
195
150


KRICKET4
KRICKET4's Photo SparkPoints: (41,588)
Fitness Minutes: (60,627)
Posts: 2,135
5/20/12 12:13 A

KRICKET4's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
I always hike with a group. There is safety in numbers you know. You can still do your own thing and not talk if you don't want to. Choose the lesser evil. Don't let perverts like this cripple you. Happy trails.

Kricket in SoCal

When you see a person on a mountain top, just remember they did not fall there!

What other people think of me is none of my business






 current weight: -1.6  under
 
5
2.5
0
-2.5
-5


FEB_SHOWERS16
FEB_SHOWERS16's Photo Posts: 2,057
5/19/12 9:57 P

FEB_SHOWERS16's SparkPage
Send Private Message
Reply
Hello all! I'm new to the group.

I've always enjoyed the outdoors and I LOVE to hike! I was a regular, and used hiking as one of my top weight loss tools.
About three years ago I moved to Texas (Houston area), and was excited about all of the hundreds of miles of hiking trails surrounding me because of the Sam Houston National Forest. I lived here about two months and decided to embark on my first adventure. I drove to a trail lot and started, and noticed a truck pull in behind me and a man started following me. I thought it was no big deal, because people like to hike all the time... I figured he was another hiker. But he kept following me and eventually passed me and pulled down his pants and started touching himself. He was wearing red, lace, women's panties. I was so scared.. I turned around and started running out of there. I had no clue if he was following me and was too scared to turn around to look. If he would have caught me, nobody would have been around for miles to hear me scream. These are vast trails- not an urban area or anything close to it. These are raw trails... as raw as they come.
So, I got out of there and took a pic of his license plate and he ended up going to jail for 90 days.

I haven't been hiking in 3 years. I've been terribly depressed. I can't stand not being able to get out and be in nature. I despise the gym, and I'm not satisfied with neighborhood walks.
There are hiking groups, but that would defeat the purpose. I'm a lone- hiker. I don't like group events and the whole appeal of hiking is that I can just be alone.
I do have guns, but am not particularly thrilled about hiking with them- though I will, but just don't think that's enough.
So I got a puppy! She's a Rottweiler/Shepherd mix and she's the sweetest little sweetheart ever!! I can't wait til she gets bigger so I can finally embark on my hiking again!

Any tips for safety would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks..

Marie








 current weight: 130.4 
 
271
234.5
198
161.5
125


 
Page: 1 of (1)  
   
Report Innappropriate Post

Other Let's go Hiking General Team Discussion Forum Posts


Thread URL: http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_messageboard_thread.asp?board=0x749x48145551

Review our Community Guidelines