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10/8/08 3:02 P

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Another vote for the Pocket Rocket - it's an awesome stove.

I'm old school about my pack. I use an external frame Kelty. Sleeping bag/therm-a-rests strapped the bottom of the frame. (Both are double size - hubby and I backpack together, so each of us gets one of the two). Tent on the top (get a lightweight for a long trip, it's worth it). Heavy gear/water to the middle.

Both packs have 4 side pouches which have an assortment of snacks, bug spray/sunscreen, flashlight/candle lantern, first aid kit, full rainsuits for us and cheap disposable ponchos for the packs.

Items I wouldn't leave behind:
1) Water filter. Some places have problems that cannot be removed without it (Isle Royale is one of those places). Other than that - I know it is reliable and I won't get something nasty.

2) Extra Toilet Paper.

3) A good first aid kit. Example: If you know you have bad ankles, pack an ace wrap. Better safe than sorry.

4) Duct tape. Multipurpose. If you can't fix it with duct tape, you have bigger problems.

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10/7/08 11:19 P

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Have fun on your trip.
As far as stoves. I use an alcohol stove made out of a Pepsi can. Extremely light and works great.
On the other hand I carry a water filter which some people would say is heavy but I am very particular about my water.

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10/6/08 4:55 P

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I agree, if you are going with a more seasoned group, someone may already have a good set up. I'm a firm believer in putting off buying equipment until you're sure you need it.

On that note, I will say, we bought the Steripen and my "Pocket Rocket" stove when we moved to ultra-light equipment. Those are two of the best additions I've made in years. We took the little Pocket Rocket on a trip and it's so light that I brought two on the next trip : ) I was able to cook breakfast and coffee at the same time...and I'm ever so much happier after I've had my coffee.

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10/5/08 11:41 A

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Group trips are nice because you can share a lot of that equipment. See if someone in your group is willing to share, in exchange for you sharing in the pumping of the water.

If you need your own fiter, the steripen is a good idea, since it is so light. I have an MSR miniworks pump that works well, I've used it a lot in the past few years, but if I didn't have it, I'd get a lighter device, the steripen...

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10/4/08 8:56 A

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I'm going to google steripen

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10/3/08 9:06 P

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you should filter all water. giadia isn't any fun. that said, i still drink straight from the stream and sometimes from the high lakes. i use an msr filter and the wife makes me steripen it if the water looks too bad. you have to gauge the amount of human interaction with your water source. the warmer the water the chancier it is. if you are being taken on your first hike the people you are going with will probably know if you need to be careful with your water source.

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10/3/08 4:50 P

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I haven't seen one, but I haven't looked since I use the steripen. It's light and easy. I have a pre-filter for yucky water...I grew up using a t-shirt (hehe). We used a pump style filtration system until they came out with the steripen. ...before that we didn't use anything if the water "looked" good and ran fast, boiled if it was "questionable"...but those were the days before Giardia : ) ...yes, I am old. Hmmm, not even completely the days before since, now that I think of it, I've had Giardia.

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10/3/08 4:37 P

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OK, next question. I know there are sites along this trail where water is available. And I had thought I had seen water filters that fit right in to the neck of the bladder of my water holder, but, was I wrong??? I can't find any now. Are the tablets sufficient? Does it taste funny or are you just glad to have water?

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10/2/08 11:59 P

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if you don't have enough food ideas yet,i've got some more. if i'm taking new people hiking and by that i mean novice types. they are usually worn out by the time we get to where we are camping and don't want to spend to much time/energy doing camp chores let alone going for an extra hike around the area. i'm from albany oregon and must get in a plug for mountain house freeze dried meals. they are light and tasty and most important cook up quick and easy. cook in there own container so there is minimal clean up. you can use a good ultra light stove, no need for cooking temps just boil and mix. the down side is the tasty part, i think it is because of all the sodium added. they are tasty and easy to prepare. please pack out what you pack in and try to practice leave no trace so everyone who follows can enjoy the pristine beauty that you enjoyed when you arrived.

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10/2/08 7:01 P

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I'm excited for you too! It sounds like you got excellent advice. Let us know how your hike went!

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10/2/08 11:21 A

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cool!

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10/1/08 9:38 P

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calgalfox, great site it is just what i was looking for. have you trued freezerbag cooking .com for food and recipes?

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that's a cool website. thank you

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10/1/08 10:30 A

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I agree with kayotic about taking the packaged meals for your first time out. If you find you start doing a lot of backpacking, there's a company called Alpine Aire that does bulk packaging of food. I tend to use it because I have a lot of food allergies and it allows me to cook like I'm at home. I make up meals with their stuff and noodles, or whatever. Anyway, I'll throw in the link for the bulk stuff. They're a little low budget, so you have to be patient, but their food is excellent.

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Our favorite foods on the trail are almonds, cheese and crackers (we sink the cheese in the creek or river at night), Gatorade, and for dinner, Mac & cheese with peas and canned chicken (I know, not very healthy...but so very tasty when backpacking).

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9/29/08 8:56 P

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We usually take the prepared backpacking meals. Just got back from a trip where the favorite meal was the Black bean casserole meal. It had cruchy tortilla strips in it, and we added a string cheese too.

I've had a kung pao chicken that was pretty good, we went on a trip where we "miscalulated" the number of breakfasts we needed (I was packing for 2, then told to pack for 4, but forgot to multiply for the oatmeal packets) we started adding peanut butter to everything, even the kung pao chicken, and it was really good! Of course after about 9 days out, you can get a little bored with the unadulterated freeze dried meals...

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9/29/08 5:48 P

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Good ideas. What are some of your favorite dinners? We're going for light.

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9/29/08 11:37 A

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Great suggestions by the others, I'll throw in a couple of mine too. (First let me say I'm really excited for you!)

After you lay everything out, look at it again and decide what you really, really need, get rid of the rest. You may feel like you're not sure that you should leave something behind, but you can always make due. A heavy pack on the first trip can make you think twice about wanting to do this again. I tend to go really light the first trip of the season, then progressively heavier because I'm comfortable. While you're out there, think about the gear you've brought and what you could have left behind. There's generally two types of packing, you can work at deciding on this trip, if in the future you want to go heavy and luxury, or light and fast. When we go cross-country (no trails), we tend to go ultra-light, nothing sticking out of the pack, everything tightened down. If we go with the kids (grown), we tend to go heavy and luxury...I'll even pack air mattresses for lakes, the travel Scrabble AND the dictionary : )

Packing order...depends. If it might rain, I pack the fly to the tent and my poncho in a side pocket. I can set up the tent under the fly and nothing gets wet. I pack in sacks or bear bags. One for breakfast, one for lunch and one for dinner. I use colors to designate what they are and pack dinner inside the cooking pot (unless we're going ultra-light in which case the stove's container is my pot...and my dish). Dinner/pots to the bottom, breakfast next and lunch topmost.

I have been on 15 day trips where I've had to strap stuff to the outside, but that's the only time I will do that. If there's no avoiding strapping, I will roll stuff in a $.99 poncho and then "lace it" to the pack so that nothing sticks out. ...except in grizzly country I take a tin can with a couple of bells/rocks in it and strap it so it flaps free, making noise.

For me, most handy items...lip stuff, sun block, bandana (for sweat and dipping in the stream to cool off), first aid kit, extra socks, hair clips, hat, bug stuff, snacks, water.

I also agree with packing and trying it out. Gently jump up and down, jostle from side to side...if there are things sliding around or you're heavier to one side, repack. Try to avoid the last minute 3 extra pounds of "just in case".

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9/28/08 9:54 P

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be excited it's nothng but fun

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9/28/08 8:59 P

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I'm getting really excited, and a little nervous. But mostly excited.

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9/28/08 2:24 P

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first don't tie anything on the out side if possible. the only thing i tie on the outside of my pack is my tent when i am stuck carrying the whole thing my self. i tie it low, as it is easier to push it thru the brush, then if it is tied up high. if i am lucky enough to be on a trip where poles, iceaxe, and crampons are needed they get lashed on the outside too. i keep snacks,headlamp,map,compass,sunscreen in the top pocket. water filter in the small front pocket. fuel and stove in one side pocket, raingear/windshirt, gloves,sunglasses,hat,gaiters in the other. water bottles in their pockets. lipstuff,leatherman,camera in the hipbelt pockets. clothes,food,campstuff and sometimes tent in main pocket. sleeping bag and pad in the sleeping bag pocket( an indispensible pocket in my opinion). i agree with kayotic pack it try it on for a bit repack try it again until you figure out how to pack it. don't forget to play around with the different strap adjustments you may use. this is a big thing that is overlooked by many novices. you can use different adjustments going up than coming down and use of different adjustments during the day helps minimize fatigue in your shoulders and back. and remember you aren't going to a resort and can do without a fresh change of clothes for each day. you can trail wash if need be. do remember undergarments and fresh socks though. have fun good luck and LNT.

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9/28/08 10:38 A

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From "backpacker" magazine website:

"Use multiple small, waterproof stuff sacks to speed loading and keep gear dry. Put the sleeping bag at the bottom, and stash heavy items like stove and food near the center of your back, as close to the frame as possible. Distribute the tent and clothing along the sides and top. Sunscreen, headlamp, and snacks go in the lid pocket. Stash bottles of white gas in a lower exterior pocket, in case of a leak. Cinch compression straps to stabilize the load."

from me:

You may not be carrying all that, especially if you are in a group, you can divide the load up. Someone may carry the tent, and somone else the kitchen kit.

Figure out what you are carrying, and start packing a few days ahead. Don't be afraid to try it out, and then unpack it all. Put the pack on, and walk around the house, you may find something in there is poking you, so you may want to rearrange it.

I try not to hang things on the outside of the pack if I can help it, as they tend to get stuck on tree branches, or other obstructions, and the clanging and movement of things that are swinging around on the outside of the pack can be annoying. You will want to put the things you want easy access to in the external pockets. If you don't have a water bladder/hydration pack, put your water bottle in easy reach. Snacks and sunscreen/lip balm should be in easy reach also. If you might be late, put your headlamp/flashlight somewhere that you can easily access it if it get dark quickly.

Have fun!


Edited by: KAYOTIC at: 9/28/2008 (10:37)
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9/28/08 7:55 A

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I'm looking for suggestions for packing my backpack for a 4 day hike. This will be my first overnighter and the first time carrying a large pack. Besides heavier stuff to the bottom, what do you like to have in the handier side pockets? In what order do you like to pack the main pocket? What do you like to hang on the outside? Thanks for your ideas!

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