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5/27/13 6:41 P

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hey Live!

I had elevated calcium levels at the same time I was dx'ed with hypothyroid disease (2007)... mine was completely out of range scary high.

My doctor at the time, told me if was because my thyroid wasn't regulated yet, I wasn't on the right amount of thyroid hormone long enough.

The thyroid does have a very small role in calcium metabolism, the parafollicular cells (aka C-Cells) secrete something called calcitonin. Calcitonin is also in Armour, since Armour is made from Pig's thyroids and the thyroid is where its made... so it comes along for the ride.

The big calcium players are the parathyroids.These are four ( or more) rice sized glands that sit on the back side of the thyroid... in most people. I wrote more about them in Newbie Daily Thyroid and there's volumes of stuff online.

Anyways, I was convinced I had a parathyroid adenoma, but it turned out that my doc was correct... YAY....my calcium pills combined with a thyroid that was not yet stabilized, was causing the elevated serum calcium. I've never tested out with elevated calcium since.

Ya with DHEA the body gets to decide what sex steroid gets made. If you need more progesterone, then a bioidentical progesterone might be the charm. I'd wait until you get your thyroid numbers in line, first, bc just as the calcium experience showed, thyroid problems can result in all sorts of whacky results as your body tries to cope with the changes that thyroid hormone increase or decrease, ratios, etc. provoke.

Here's a link on parathyroids to get you started:

www.parathyroid.com/

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No menstrual cycle as I had a complete hysterectomy almost 20 years ago. I use compounded hormones: biest, testosterone, and vaginal DHEA. I think the DHEA is transferring more into testosterone, as I have been on biest and testosterone for years without getting elevated testosterone levels, and have only been on the DHEA about a year.

I dont drink milk or have intake of dairy very often due to allergies to it.

As far as the albumin, I had been going vegan except for fish in the mornings. The albumin problem started after that. So have gone back to eating a little bit of meat. I know there is protein in other foods but I dont digest well enough to get all I can out of foods. Except for calories, of course
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Ill be looking up that parathyroid ademona thing.

Thanks for your help.m

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5/27/13 3:18 P

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Mi, hey...

It seems as if your body is converting T4 hormone better in Spring than in winter.
There are seasonal variations in hormone production.

Live~

You might want to alternate 2.5 grains with 3 grains of Armour on an every other day basis and see how that regimen works for you.

Its possible that your changing levels of Armour is what it throwing your labwork off.
Upping and lowering dosage, changing meds, ratios of T3 to T4... all of them have a ripple effect on your entire body since thyroid hormone has its finger in just about every cell and process in your body.

Where you are in your menstrual cycle can change your progesterone levels dramatically, with virtually none being produced while you bleed. Here's a graph that charts it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Progester
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So where you are in your menstrual cycle is something to be aware of.
You may want to try supplemental progesterone cream IF your labs were taken at another time of the month.


High calcium and phosphorus... do you drink a lot of milk or take calcium supps?
Out of range high calcium is usually the result of a parathyroid ademona, not something wrong with the pituitary. High calcium can also be the result of a thyroid gland that isn't functioning properly.

Albumin... have you been eating adequate protein? Low protein is a frequent cause. You might want to try an unflavored whey supp to help increase it if protein isn't your thing. I really like it after my mornings in the gym.

Things do go out of whack when you change your dosage of thyroid.
And I agree with you about doctors.
They are there when you have problems you can't handle, like lawyers and the police.
Our job is figure out what we need on a day to day to stay healthy.

Hope everyone is having a good Memorial Day, and remembering those who have helped keep our Nation one of the better places on this planet.

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My FT3 suddenly went WAY over the top for reasons I don't have a clue about. My TSH is extremely suppressed. My FT4 and TT4 are right in the middle, whereas 2 months ago they were barely on the chart. My antibodies are below the scale.

It seems that 2.5 grains of Armour Thyroid isn't enough, but then when I do 3 grains a day I end up hyperthyroid. Or maybe it's the time of the year, cause it is always towards spring when I get really tired of my levels being low during the winter on 2.5 grains, then usually in March go to 3 grains, and then by April or May (warmer weather) I become hyperthyroid on the 3 grains. Up and down. Up and down.

A lot of my other hormones have gone totally out of whack too. My morning cortisol which is normally very low is now too high. (I will say though that i have been under intense stress the last 6 weeks.) My testosterone, which is normally in the middle, has gone too high - over normal range. My estrogen levels are ok. My DHEA levels dropped slightly but are still ok. My progesterone is almost nonexistent.

My serum calcium and phosphorus levels are too high - over range, apparently indicating a problem with my pituitary. Thirteen years ago this happened and my doctor said he thought I had cancer, but then things normalized all these years - until now.

Two months ago my albumin levels were really low - below scale. Now they're normal. But now my neutrophils are low and lymphs are high, indicating from what I can find on the web, some kind of infection.

It just seems everything has gone out of whack lately. My doctors don't really go over this stuff and do anything about it, and I am worn out playing doctor all these years. But, the alternative to me not playing doctor would be really disasterous.

So, now I gotta start trying to figure out this new mess.

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I recently had bloodwork done and got partial results from the lab in the mail yesterday (antibodies test still pending). I haven't heard from my doctor yet (probably won't until all results are in) but I wanted to see if any of you have any input on my results.

My TSH is 0.32 (range 0.40-4.50)
Total T4 is 7.8 (range 4.5-12.0)
Total T3 is 264 (range is 76-181)

I've recently gained a few pounds despite not really changing anything. I've been working out more and trying to be more vigilant with what I eat but the scale won't budge. I am on 90 mg of Armour.

So what's up with this super high T3? I am on birth control, which I read can make T3 high, but I've been on the same BC for a few years and never had this problem.

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