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5/17/13 10:03 A

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Good morning Greenie!

An adrenal gland is a cone shaped gland... I always think it looks like an elf's hat! LOL... that sits on top of the kidneys. From this location it secretes hormones and chemicals that deal with a variety of tasks... the "steriod" hormones that influence inflammation, blood pressure, the "fight and flight" response from one of three layers in the gland. Specifically stuff like cortisol, adrenaline, dopamine, nor-epinephrine, aldosterone and to a lesser degree estrogen, progesterone.

ANYWAYS... you prolly saw cortisol on that list and know its a stress mediator with excess cortisol causing an increase in the dread belly fat. The adrenals often step in when there's a thyroid issue... but they're not supposed to replace the thyroid, they can't. So what happens to many of us, is that our adrenals become fatigued or hyper-vigilant, even after thyroid hormone levels have returned to normal thru supplementation of thyroid hormone pills resulting in all sorts of unpleasantness.

We've had a couple of people who were at a normal weight and virtually symptomless who have had TSHs in the hundred or close range before being diagnosed... who have gone on thyroid hormone to bring down the TSH and found themselves gaining weight.

In the years I've been on the team (since 2007) its literally been a handful of these people, no more. So you are definitely in a elite crowd... but it also means that we don't have as much data on you guys, what works best for you.

One of the things about thyroid disease I find fascinating is that the conventional treatment for everyone is the same... prescribe thyroid hormone to bring the TSH and thyroid hormone (T4, T3) in line with very little thought given to anything else.

This team attempts to fill in the gaps that conventional treatment leaves, by suggesting food choices, supplements, herbals etc as well as providing info on different types of thyroid replacement hormone.

I've got to take off this morning, but when I get back this afternoon, I'll open a sticky thread for people who have had very high TSHs at diagnosis. Perhaps if we have a topic open on this, we can collect data and see what commonalities ya'll share and how you are all different, what works for you guys and what doesn't. Cuz you are all definitely an exceptional bunch!

Have a fun day!
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5/16/13 4:16 P

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No more spinach salads :( BUT, I can still add them to soups!!

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5/16/13 4:15 P

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Thank you Mzzchief. Eating habits...lately not so great. I used to never eat out. Now, it's become a ritual. Breakfast is usually mcdonalds :( But, starting today, it is NOT. I had a waffle w peanut butter and a yogurt with raspberries mixed in. And it was so yummy! I take no other meds, including supplements. I drink maybe once every two weeks. I am 37 years old, soon to be 38 and nowhere near menopause yet. My liver should be in good shape and I have no idea what an adrenal is lol. I will have a better grip on my levels once I get my bloodwork redone. It is just odd to me that before I found out I had a bad thyroid, I was not overweight. I didn't have any symptoms that I knew of. I had heart palpitations that started happening after I turned 30 and it scared the crap out of me. I went to the dr. and he didn't know what it was. Ran a full bloodwork on me, and discovered my levels were 126. He said he had never seen anyone with that high of levels. I started on levo that same week. Here I am almost 8 years later, obese. :(

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5/16/13 3:03 P

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Hey Greenie!

IMO waiting and hour before eating is a better deal if you want the most bang for your thyroid hormone buck.
Also... I'd take minerals like calcium and iron... as well as any vitamins... at lunch rather than at breakfast, or even with dinner.

There's been recent studies that calcium supplements are not good for the heart and arteries, (heart attack and arterial calcification).
If you can get your calcium from food sources as much as possible, this would be the way to eat. If not make sure your calcium comes with co-factors like vitamin D, Vitamin K2, boron, magnesium, silica, zinc and copper and take it with a meal... which can have some of these minerals and vitamins in it to help get the calcium into the bones and out of the soft tissues.

Anyways, back to your questions about crucifers which is what Broccoli and Spinach are.
Its fine to eat them, you've just got to make sure you lightly steam them to disable the goitrogens they contain. Avoid raw crucifers.

Crucifers inhibit iodine absorption. So use iodized salt on your broccoli or a little bit of shaved seaweed... you can get this condiment at Asian markets, usually mixed with salt and sesame seed... and make sure your diet contains adequate selenium. I take a brazil nut a day for this mineral, nutritional yeast if you don't have glutamate sensitivity is another selenium containing food, as are tuna, garlic, mushrooms and many multivits.

You don't want to get too much iodine or selenium, either.
Too much isn't better, its overdose.

Its hard to say why your thyroid has been tough to regulate without knowing you and your eating habits, lifestyle, other meds you're on, stress levels, where you are in terms of fertility, alcohol consumption, the status of your liver and adrenals etc. All these are factors in the pathology of an autoimmune thyroid tissue attack and destruction causing some people to experience "flares"... periods of time where they feel lousy, when their bodies aren't using thyroid hormone correctly.

If it sounds complicated, that's because it is.
Welcome to our team and thanks for the question.


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5/16/13 12:57 P

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I have no idea what my numbers are right now. I go in a week to have my bloodwork redone. I go an hour after I take my levo until I eat. Just to be safe.

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What are your numbers? You may need to add a T3 instead of just taking T4. My Free T3 always remained low even though my other numbers looked alright. I still had great difficulty and still have great difficulty losing any weight at all. You should not eat within 30 minutes to an hour of taking your Levo. After that, eating anything should be fine - but mainly, no products containing calcium within 60 minutes. I only take 75 mcg of Levo, but my Dr. added Cytomel (Liothyronine) to bump on my T3 which then dropped my T4 and so my MD increased my Levo to the 75 mcg.

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I have had a hypo thyroid for almost 8 years now. My levothyroxine still isn't regulated. Just recently, my primary doctor put me up to 200 mcg daily. I always knew to take it on an empty stomach...but since joining Sparkpeople (yesterday) I keep seeing things where you aren't supposed to eat certain foods??? Is that within a window of taking the meds or not at all??? Broccoli and spinach are two of my faves. Obviously I would give them up if I had to, but this sucks. Could this be why my thyroid has never regulated? Nobody ever told me not to eat certain foods :(

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