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Thanks, Rachel for sharing what works for you!

Ashwagandha can be a marvelous adaptogen for us.
So can the addition of T3 (Cytomel) to your t4 (Synthroid, Levoxyl, etc) if yor doctor isn't open to trying Armour or Naturethyroid... what we call the Porcines as they are derived from pig thyroids... and contain both T3, T4, the metabolites T1, T2, as well as calcitonin.

Anyone supplementing B12 might want to look into a form of it called methylcobalamin. Its got a higher rate of bioavailability and doesn't have a cyanide molecule as part of its molecular formula the way cyanocobalamin does.

Selenium can be had from brazil nuts, nutritional yeast, sardines(also a good source of Omega 3s and calcium, low in mercury), garlic and tuna.

What Rachel has outlined here is a great place to get started if you're floundering around right now. As she has stated, everyone is different, you have to find what works for you.

Also... look at your diet... some foods you are eating your body may not like, and respond with inflammation... including so called healthy foods... foods that are good for the general population but not right for YOU. If you eat a food, your belly bloats, or you've gained a couple of pounds the next day, that's bacterial overload and inflammation. Remove that food from your life.

Be healthy!
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Research, research, research! I have tried probably every supplement and dietary change that's supposed to help with hypothyroidism and autoimmunity over the 17 years since I was diagnosed. I tried eating gluten-free, tried high protein/low carb, tried every supplement out there. And all I wanted to do was sleep. it's not a matter of motivating yourself if your thyroid isn't optimally treated.
Remember that everyone is different, so your miles may vary.

When I was on synthroid and even just Armour, I still felt like crap despite normal TSH and kept gaining weight no matter what I did.

Here's my regimen that has helped me have energy, keep up with workouts, and finally have hair that's not so brittle and dry all the time. I do still have days where I crash, but I feel so much better:

Morning:
Armour thryoid, not synthroid or levoxyl
Sublingual vitamin D (low vit D can impact other hormones including thyroid)
Sublingual vitamin B12
Selenium (helps thyroid absorption)
Ashwaganda (only been taking for 3 weeks and it's really helped with the energy to work out!)

Evening:
A good multivitamin, calcium, and fish oil (calcium can interfere with thyroid absorption)
A 2nd Ashwaganda dose

But again...YOU have to try different dietary and supplement changes and figure out what works for you. It took me YEARS of suffering with fatigue, depression, sensitivity to cold, extremely dry skin, awful constipation, etc. All resulting from under-treated thyroid.

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1/4/13 4:45 P

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Jedi...

I posted a toothpaste recipe that I use in one of my blogs a while back... if you're not up to making it, there are plenty of fluoride free ones on the market.

The basic recipe is:
Coconut oil, as a base
Aluminum free baking powder, as a low abrasion polish, that provides a base ph
Xylitol that I've powdered in a mortar, as a germicide
CoQ10, for healthy gums.
a few drops thyme, rosemary and neem oil, also for their germicide properties.

It doesn't foam, its not pleasant tasting but its inexpensive to make and fluoride free.
When you do buy tooth paste, be aware that the foam is often as a result of detergents like Sodium Laureth Sulfate. Some contain Carageenan in them, a seaweed derivative which is used to induce colon cancer in lab rats.

Tea is another source of fluoride, the plant(camellia sinesis) absorbs fluoride from the soil preferentially.

Since I love tea, it has numerous health benefits so I'm not willing to give it up due to the fluoride, I drink distilled water and prepare all my foods with it as a trade off.

General rule of thumb when it comes to teas:
White tea (the most immature leaves) has the least amount of Fluoride, followed by green teas (young, unfermented leaves), and black(mature leaves, fermented).
Where the tea is grown also has an influence.

Another source of fluoride is pink Himalayan salt.

Thx for bringing the subject of Flouride to the table!
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I just discovered that excess flouride will throw off thyroid function. So, brush well but rinse twice as well. Get that stuf out of your body. So, I usually brush first thing in morning, have never been too strong on rinsing, and always go for lab work first thing as well. This report said flouride can give false reports on how well your meds are working. Tired? Sometimes I can't drive home without a nap. Dr. Says reports all look good. So tired of being tired. emoticon I have just started self hypnosis to get to sleep and stay asleep all night. So far it's helping.

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Unfortunately, with this disease, you have to do a lot of reading, research, doctor-hopping, experimenting, etc.

The thing that has really helped me personally lately is upping my Vitamin D daily dose to 5000mg. It doesn't give me more energy per se, but it has helped my mood tremendously, which seems to give me the will to keep going.

I get most of my supplements and vitamins from www.swansonvitamins.com/

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Don't worry, I do feel this tired as well. I'm also depressed because I don't feel like I'm in a 22 year old's body, I'm in a 45 year old's. What I really hate is people act as though I'm making all this up, even my doctor wasn't sure whether or not to put me on thyroid medicine even though my TSH is 6.05. Thankfully she put me on 25mcg, but sadly I don't think that will be enough to reverse all my problems.

I just try to take it a day at a time... and cling on to the days I do have off.



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Most people with thyroid disease will have some degree of adrenal dysfunction, since these glands are like the body's the emergency crew... they blunt any sort of trauma in the body and pick up the slack when one of your other glands (like thyroid) is misbehaving.

When your thyroid has been off for a while, they tend to get exhausted, because just like an ambulance crew, they aren't supposed to be working 24/7.

A good multi-b vitamin (I use Kal Brand Nutritional yeast),low dose vitamin C thru out the day (you can put it in your drinking water... fresh lemon is great or just a pinch of the pure powdered vitamin C), also fish oils which support your cell membranes and glial cells and the myelin sheath that insulates every nerve in our bodies, are all helpful in my opinion.

Also can't stress the importance of eating fresh whole, preferably organic foods enuf.
A great way to get those is in a smoothie since the blender breaks down whatever you put into it, so much better than simply chewing. This way you get more nutrition from your food, not just the calories.

Another resource that has been helpful to me recently, is using whey before and after a resistance workout at the gym for its BCAAs.... branch chain amino acids. If you're over 50, you may want to add the BCAA l-leucine... its been found to help seniors lay down muscle and eat less protein. Otherwise research has shown that seniors require 30gs of protein in one sitting, which can be difficult to do. This advice does not extend to young adults... they don't have a problem with muscle formation.

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Thank you for the input. I talked to my doctor about vitamins but he said I was young and didn't need to worry about vitamins. I don't agree. I appreciate that he is the doctor who helped me get diagnosed and on treatment but I wish he was a little more knowledgeable.

I think my adrenals are fatigued because I have a tendency to stress out. A LOT. I am working on changing that. People always told me things like "stress will make you sick" or "stress kills" but I guess I never realized how right they were until I started not feeling well. :O

Thanks Butterfly for explaining what Ashwagandah is. :)






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Thanks, for your input, Butterfly... so nice to have someone knowledgeable step in, that's what I love about this team... we've got a good group here.

Thanks for raising the question, Anna and Star... its the quickest way to learn!

The brand I use is Himalaya Pure Herbs. You can buy them online or at your health food store. What I like about them is that they do chromatic fingerprinting of their product to ensure the potency and consistency of their product.

You can also buy Ashwagandha in bulk form if you're feeling adventuresome! That way you can add it to a smoothie, or add it to your tea. Here's a link:
www.starwest-botanicals.com/category
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shwagandha-root/?gclid=CMj0jJyNw7QCFR>emiPAodKAsAaw


I've also taken Rhodiola before, which is another adaptogen. Specifically its a root, here's a link to it that also contains a photo of the plant:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea

I found with that one, if I took it too late in the day, it had caffeine like effects on me, in that I had problems falling asleep that night. Also if I took it too many days in a row... um... I got... well, frankly I got cranky. Meaning everything got on my last nerve and I'm not generally like that at all.

Didn't have that problem with the Ashwagandha.

BUT... its like everything else you read here on this forum and elsewhere... you've really got to try things out for yourself to see how your unique physiology handles it!!

I don't use Ashwagandha very much anymore, I'm fortunate in that my energy levels are great!

Have a healthy day!
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Ashwagandha, also known as "Indian Winter Cherry," is an adaptogenic herb that supports the body's ability to maintain physical effort and adapt to various types of stress. Perhaps the most famous rejuvenative botanical in Ayurveda, Ashwagandha is one of a rare group of botanicals and mushrooms possessing unique properties that helps increase the body's ability to resist and recover from stress, boost energy, and providing an enhanced feeling of overall well-being.

If you Google it, you'll find all sorts of places where you can purchase it. You likely will want to read up on it to see if it's something you want to take based on any other conditions you may have.


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Thank you for the suggestions. It does help to know that there are others who go through this.
I would also like to know exactly what Ashwagandha is & where you can get it from.

I do believe that my adrenals are fatigued. I need to start relaxing and resting. Easier said than done but I know it has to be done.

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Thanks once again Mzz. What is Ashwagandha by the way? Where
would you find this? Powder or capsule form? Thnks in advance. emoticon

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Thanks for your input Mzz.

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I would check to see if your iron is low... if you have anemia.
Also add some vitamin C, a multi b vitamin and Ashwagandha for your adrenals.

Sometimes I have to push myself to work out. But I always feel 100% better when I do it, its like doing the exercise re-charges me.

If you're feeling worse after exercise, that's a sign that you are stressing out your adrenals.
You need rest, not exercise, if that's the case.

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I totally understand where you are coming from. I am on Synthroid and it has brought the TSH down from 15 to 1.5, but since then it is creeping back up to over 2. Even with the numbers OK, I am still always cold, and tired. I get 7.5 hours sleep, then I have a nap before I leave for the bus in the am, then a nap on the bus, then when I get home, if I sit on the sofa I am toast. So I get changed right away to do as much of an uphill treadmill walk as I can muster that night, but it is so hard. My doctor says I am fine, but I don't feel fine.
This group is wonderful to share tips and advice so I am sure you will get some good info. I Wish you luck in cracking what works best for you.

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Hi everyone. I was just wondering if you ever feel energetic anymore? There are times when I have some energy but it usually comes crashing down. I wish I had the energy I had before Hypothyroidism. I take 60 MG of Armour & it is a lot better than Levothyroxine was but I am still SO TIRED. I feel exhausted most of the time. I would love to exercise but my brain and body will always pull me to choose sleep over anything. It's terrible. My TSH was 1.18 last time it was checked which wasn't too long ago. How do you guys get through your workouts?
I also have PCOS & while I try my best to motivate myself, I mostly feel overwhelmed.
I get anxiety over this and I am sure that makes things a lot worse.





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