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7/8/12 11:32 A

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Frannie

Your doctor is correct, if you have hypothyroid disease, replacing the hormone that you body isn't making... thyroid hormone, is the best route. You can only get that from a prescription from your doctor.

We call them thyroid medications, but technically, they aren't.
They're replacement hormones.

Supplementing thyroid hormone takes pressure off your ailing thyroid, lessens the body's autoimmune assault. Why? Because the body attacks two raw ingredients that make thyroid hormone in your thyroid. When the body is getting thyroid hormone from a pill, the thyroid stops making these two substances. And the auto-immune attack is called off.

That's why patients autoimmune titers usual drop after being on thyroid hormone for a while.

If they don't, then they either lack selenium or there's too much iodine in the diet.

That said, good nutrition, getting moving on exercise, good sleep, supplementing any vitamins or minerals that your diet lacks, and in some cases using herbs, can make a difference in your quality of life, resistance to sickness and physical appearance.

Which is why we're all here... sharing what works for us, researching different supplements, experimenting...
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Hello everyone. emoticon .

FRANNIE, my doctor said that homeopathic and other "over the counter" medications will not help with thyroid problems. Then a few months later I read an article in a magazine that said the same thing.

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i also love einsteen and the way he got his ideas I love to travel on the spur of the moment and i love portland oregon, hawaii. I enjoy all forms of art and the galleries


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3/25/12 3:26 P

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hey Frannie!

Thanks for providing us with information on how to get to Dr Oz's site to see segments of his shows! Here's a hyperlink for those who are interested in checking it out :
www.doctoroz.com/videos


Frannie, here's the problem with taking tyrosine, in my opinion.

It completely ignores WHY most of us are hypothyroid!

In the vast majority of cases, its not that we are malnourished and don't have the raw ingredients to make thyroid hormone... which is what supplementation of tyrosine implies.

The "why" is that we have an auto-immune disease.

Our bodies have mistakenly made antibodies to the two "ingredients" that are needed to make thyroid hormone These two antibodies are attacking these substances as if they were bacteria rather than the essential ingredients needed to make thyroid hormone.

Those ingredients are an enzyme... TPO(thyroid peroxidase), and a protein Tg( thyroglobulin... the protein that's ONLY made in the thyroid, that contains hundreds of tyrosine residuals). Presence of these auto-antibodies are markers of Hashimoto's disease.

This is also why these two auto-antibodies decrease after being on supplemental thyroid medication.

Why?

Cuz when you take Synthroid or one of the other thyroid replacement pills, it delivers the pre-formed thyroid hormone...there is not TPO or Tg, its just pure, complete thyroid hormone.

Since the pituitary senses there's adequate thyroid hormone, it dials down its production of TSH, resulting in less thyroid stimulation.

The thyroid responds by reducing the production of TPO and Tg.

Since there's less of these two for your anti-body to attack, your antibodies drop.

This means less inflammation, scarring of the thyroid, it reduces the incidence of goiter.

Bottom line is that we've got to be a bit like Goldilocks... not too much or too little... we've got to search for that balance known as "just right".

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3/24/12 11:56 P

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Mzz-if you go on Dr. Oz show videos "Natural Prescription Alternatives, pt 1" has the clip available with Bryce Wylde, the "expert" and his recommendation for Tyrosine is to use that instead of Snythroid, etc... But I wouldn't stop my meds just on what he says. And thanks for the heads up on that tyrosine study-I'll keep that in mind. And maybe his touchy stuff is more of a cultural thing, but I see what you mean....

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Hhhhh, ya.

Its these sorts of things you guys have brought up, that trouble me about his show.

I didn't see the show that talked about L-tyrosine and thyroid disease... wish I had Frannie, so that I can put what you said here in context and know who the naturopath was that recommended it.

No doubt that the amino acid tyrosine is important to the body and specifically to the formation of thyroid hormone. Its the lysis of tyrosine that helps form the protein thyroglobulin, which forms the "T" basis of thyroid hormone to which iodine molecules have been attached... T3, T4, with the number being iodine molecules.

That said, its not an essential amino acid, meaning that the body can make it. So while it might not hurt to take some, its not necessary unless you know you've got some kind of condition that prevents your body from making it. There's been some research on rats, where tyrosine overdose has resulted in liver and nerve problems, inflammation of the eye. I don't know how much it took to achieve overdose, and rats aren't humans, but suffice to say, the stuff didn't just flush out of their bodies without consequence.

Additionally... you kinda want to keep activity in your thyroid down... which is why you are taking thyroid hormone... cuz thyroid activity usually excites auto-antibody activity against your thyroid.

One of the things that has been bothering me the more I watch the show, is the difference in his body language with women and men, and the way he makes physical contact with his female guests and not his male guests.

I don't like that he puts some of his female guests in compromising positions. For example there was no reason to demonstrate the guest's discomfort at taking a cold shower on TV this week.

You can tell some of the women are uncomfortable holding his hand, and try to pull away after the initial contact... he's completely unaware of it and keeps holding on. Its not necessary and he sure doesn't do it to males.

Prolly just me, but I find it... creepy.
Next time you watch the show, check it out.

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3/23/12 10:03 P

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This week, Dr. Oz said that you can help hypothyroidism with over the counter l-Tyrosine supplement, instead of Synthroid or all the other prescription meds. His naturopath said to take 1500mg. twice a day. I take 1000 mg a day, but haven't noticed anything extra. I still take Synthroid and Cytomel. Maybe I should take more? But I'm a little doubtful!

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One of the many reasons that I find it hard to believe what Dr. Oz says is because AT LEAST once a week he says what the best way is to loose weight. So, which is the correct way to loose weight? No one person can do ALL that he says to do. And if I were to take all the suppliments that he says to take, I would be taking pills all day long!

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I never take at face value what is on Dr Oz. Yesterday there a section on the three most important things people should do within the first 30 minutes upon waking. It had to do with eating protein, using heavy cream, a specific cinnamon and drinking Yerba Mate Tea. I did not know what this tea was so started looking and while it might be good for the metabolism, there is a high risk to some sorts of oral cancers. He talked about the benefits but not the risks and I worry that people will go out and start drinking this tea just because it was said to be good for jump starting the day. I watched him the day before and he was talking about constipation and what people should do, but not once did I hear him say that there might be a underlying medical condition to be looked at. He simply stated this is what you do to fix it. I have watched him half a dozen times and there is always something really makes me feel uncomfortable taking his advice so I am very hesitant to take his advice.

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3/10/12 2:42 P

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Oh, You are wonderful!! :)
Thanks! Cindy

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hey CW

First off, thanks for bringing up the raspberry ketones!
Its always great to get a good discussion going on a health topic.

Well I can see now that I have had a moment to quickly look over the entire thread, that Diane has already mentioned that the raspberry ketone actually sourced from raspberries is a lot more expensive than the one from chemicals! So good call there, Diane!

Here's something about it:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_keto
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Peeps, I want ya'll to be motivated to check out EVERYTHING anyone recommends before you buy it. Particularly since we've all got some degree of thyroid disease so things might effect us differently from "normals".

That includes my recommendations. I usually give caveats with anything I recommend, but I don't know everyone's situation intimately... so its important that you check things out for yourself to become an "informed consumer".

SO... please put whatever you're researching to the Google test.. just put the term in there and see what comes up. Wikipedia is a great jumping off point. Then put the term with the word "thyroid" and see what comes up. Finally put the term and any medication you might be taking, or condition you might have so that you can find out if there's any interactions.

Research and sharing knowledge is what this team is about... getting you guys invested, curious about this miracle of chemical processes that you live in... the human body!

Okay I'm off my soapbox, its safe to come out and play...
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ps. If anyone tries the ketones and likes them, feel free to come back to this thread or start another one telling us about your experience.

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When you get a moment,could you give your input on these? This is the first I have heard about it.

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The raspberry ketones that are available on the market at reasonable prices are not made from raspberries, but derived synthetically from chemicals.

I'm on my way out the door or I would post supporting links for this.

CAVEAT EMPTOR on this recommendation from the otherwise great Oz!

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Totally agree but the raspberry ketone supplements onine are reasonable, don't you think?

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I have to admit, that some of the stuff Dr. Oz says rubs me the wrong way too. Like many of the things that he suggests (for what ever the topic of the show happens to be that day) is usually expensive. It does not matter how much something helps or a person wants it, if it is not affordable to a person, it defeats the purpose. Like his list of 100 item grocery list. Well over half of the stuff I do not/can not get because it is too expensive. I am not the only person in my family who needs to eat. Not EVERYBODY has the income of a heart surgeon/TV show host. I am not trying to put Dr. Oz down, just stating fact.

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Some of what Dr Oz says just rubs me wrong.

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I googled them and they are not expensive at all. What do they do to the thyroid, ladies and how are they supposed to work?

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Dr. Oz has also recommended complex carbs for hypos. No wonder I love them so much, but it doesn't help with weight!

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I love Dr. Oz too. I know that the fruit raspberry is good for you, but I cannot say about the supplement.

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I may be overly skeptical but it sounds like a high priced gimmick, to me.

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I love Dr Oz. My information is that raspberry ketone is used in cosmetics, perfumes and as a food additive. Pure raspberry ketone is very expensive. Companies manufacture it chemically to lower the price. My concern is possible negative effects of chemicals in our bodies.

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Raspberries are very good for the body. Not sure what the supplements may have.

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hey everyone ! i saw on dr.oz that raspberry keytone supplements are a good all natural way to lose weight , i was thinking to try it does anyone know if it would be harmful to the thyroid ?

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