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1/17/12 10:50 A

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Hey Ladies!
Tee
Some good advice Tee on the Chia seed and Omega3.
Chia is much more easily digested than flax does not need to be ground to be digested.
It also doesn't contain the small amount of cyanide that flax seed does.

Unfortunately there is a"bug in the rose" with most plant based Omega3s, ... algae (spirulina and chlorella) being the exception... plant based sources of Omega3s only contain ALA.

ALA is a precursor to DHA and EPA... and often poorly converted to DHA and EPA in our bodies.

What we tend to forget is that thyroid replacement hormone is NOT the same as having a healthy thyroid gland. My thoughts are that people with thyroid disease are not operating at full capacity.... even when treated and particularly the first two years after a person has been diagnosed and the other endocrine glands are adjusting to the new supply of thyroid hormone.

Carnitine... you have to be careful with this one, as it does make it a bit more difficult for people to use thyroid hormone. If you are hyperthyroid or have TSI antibodies (I do) then its helpful sometimes for hair. I've been taking this one.

Ubiquinol is excellent for energy, good call. $20 for 90 days supply is an excellent price.
Ubiquinol as opposed to Ubiquinone (CoQ10) is the reduced form and many times more absorbable... this is one of those times it pays to get the Ubiquinol.

Kristin
I don't know what state you live in, but you may be able to order your own labwork out of pocket at a discount. This is what I do. Here's one such site... check and see if its available to you:
www.healthcheckusa.com/HealthCheckUS
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Locations/

Here's the test you need... unfortunately you've got to get all three values... TSh, T3, and T4 tested at the same time because if you don't, its like a blind man holding the tail of an elephant:
www.healthcheckusa.com/Thyroid-Panel
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I-with-TSH/46938/


Frankly, girl, my advice would be to pay for the test out of pocket, and if it comes back that your T3 is out of range low, and your T4 is high present this information to your to doc and ask for a medication with T3 in it. If she refuses, you need to get a new doctor. In the meantime look at the advice I gave Lady earlier on in the thread, Tee's advice about Ubiquinonol and mabbe include some of these things into your routine.

A word of caution about adding T3 or even upping one's T4... if your adrenal glands are tapped out, adding T3 or increasing the dose of T4 is not going to help and can make your symptoms worse. What will happen, is that your liver will simply put out more thyroid hormone binding proteins and make more reverse T3.

Another thought is to add a probiotic as the gut breaks down T4 into T3.

Bottom line, make changes slowly... try one thing out for at least a month to see if it helps. Our bodies need time to heal, its doesn't happen overnite.

In the meantime,
*look for ways of reducing stress (naps, getting adequet sleep, deep breathing, EFT),
*doing some form of gentle exercise everyday (yoga walking),
*eating mindfully (this includes chewing your food at least 20 times before swallowing, consciously appreciating the flavors and textures of your food),
* choosing a diet full of healthy foods (specifically fresh produce)
* adding lemon or cystalline ascorbic acid(C) to your water

And above all make time to have a little fun, to laugh and enjoy your life!

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1/16/12 9:42 P

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Hey Mzzs,

I read two books that recommended taking Ubiquinol and Carnitine for thyroid problem. These supplements increase energy, metabolsm, etc. Both supplement enhance mitocgibdruak function. In my case, I found these supplements increase my energy and helped in weight loss.
Every person that take cholesterol medication should take CoQ-10 Ubiquinol (100 mg) daily. Kenaka is the best kind and sold at Trader Joe.....60 ( 100 mg) tabs for $19.99 Every person I suggested taking this supplement feels better.

Tee

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I started eating chai seed last week. Chai is high in omega ( fish oil) and more anti oxidants than blueberries. Dr Oz warned about making sure we balance omegas. So I eat 3 tablspoons of sunflower seeds after eating yogurt with chai. Chia does not need to be ground b4 eating and easily digestible. A half pound cost around $3 at Sprouts.

Tee

Middle age is when broadness of the mind and narrowness of the waist change places.


Whatever you do in life, think higher and feel deeper. C. Artias

Your personal history is not your true identity. Don't let the past define who you are.. Eckart Tolle

You are the architect of your actions, words and voice. What an opportunity for love, truth and purpose to shine. Sister Andrea Jaegar

Accept each moment as if you had choosen it. That frees you


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1/16/12 9:27 P

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Sorry about what you are going thru. I have Hashi and was given T3 and it has made a big difference. Went from dead to being alive for first time in years. I was dx diabetic b4 being give T3 and non diabetic after taking this med for a month. BTW, Suzie Cohen claims there is connection between un diagnosed or under treated thyroid disease and diabetes. This has been true in my case.

I have problem with stomach upset when I take vitamins. I found liquid vitamins the best. I also do better if I eat the food containing the vitamin in place of taking supplement. Supplement means taking what we do no obtain from food. Anyway, Selenium is found in nuts. Read Mzz's post about what type of nuts to eat daily.

Another bit of info I came across, eliminating carbs or eating low carbs from diet lowers thyroid function. Of course, it has to be the right type of carbs.....no white flour, rice, etc.

I do not seem to have a problem when I take Emergen C vitamins that is powder mixed into water. In fact, I often feel better after taking them.



Tee

Middle age is when broadness of the mind and narrowness of the waist change places.


Whatever you do in life, think higher and feel deeper. C. Artias

Your personal history is not your true identity. Don't let the past define who you are.. Eckart Tolle

You are the architect of your actions, words and voice. What an opportunity for love, truth and purpose to shine. Sister Andrea Jaegar

Accept each moment as if you had choosen it. That frees you


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1/16/12 7:35 P

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There are vitamins that digest in the intestines rather than the stomach. I take some Omega's that digest later in my body because I have problems with vitamins hurting my stomach as well. I had to go to three local health food stores to find it, but I am grateful! (It is a little pricey, I believe it is $30.)

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1/16/12 7:30 P

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Mzz,

Oh my goodness! You are a wealth of knowledge! Thank you so very much! The info helped me tons!!!

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1/16/12 4:17 P

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I was thinking the same thing! I had my last TSH test Thursday and asked my Endo to add the T3 and T4 Free tests and she refused. She told me it didn't matter because I have Hashimoto's disease and that it only matters with Grave's disease. She then said my insurance wouldn't pay for it either.

I've read most of what is posted in this community and based on what I've read.. it seems like I may have a T3 issue. My Dad is a diabetic and he wonders if I have low blood sugar cause that is how he feels when his blood sugar is low. Test so far say no diabetes though.

I stopped taking a Multi vitamin about a year ago. They were upsetting my stomach. I've tried different brands and with food... and still the stomach upset. A nurse suggested taking a children's vitamin so I'm at least getting something... so I've been doing that but I'll have to check when I get home about the Selenium.

This is so frustrating! I know I'm not alone though.

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Have you had a Free T test?
This test measures how much of BOTH thyroid hormones are in your blood, available for your body to use.

If it were me, I'd ask for a Free T3, Free T4 test along with the TSH the next time you have one run.

You need to have both hormones in your blood.
Its possible that you might not have enuf circulating T3.

Are you taking a multivitamin? If so check to see if there's selenium in it. You need adequet selenium to convert T4 (Synthroid) into T3.

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I also have energy issues. Pre-thyroid condition, I had lots of energy, all the time. I was diagnosed around October. I've only seen my endo once but have blood work done every 6 weeks. My TSH is where she wants it now so I'm going to stay with the current dose of Synthroid. I'm so sluggish all the time though, I just can't stand it. If I want to workout, I have to either drink a highly sugared soft drink or an energy drink like 5 Hour Energy. That can't be good for me and I don't think it is normal. I asked my Endo about it and she says it has nothing to do with my thyroid and I should go back to my regular Dr to find out if something else is going on. Almost every person's story I've read on this site has the same issues I do.... I'm thinking I am getting bad info from my Endo. Do you guys agree?

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Thx Jane, I try to share what I've learnt in the hopes it will help someone else!

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Mzz, you are always a wealth of knowledge.

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hey Lady!

Sounds like your adrenal glands need to catch up to your thyroid.
Sometimes this happens when you're first diagnosed... your adrenals are tapped out from covering your thyroid's lack of thyroid production. So when you finally get thyroid hormone, your adrenals need time to adjust.

Bottom line is that being irritable and overwhelmingly exhausted is not a body working in harmony with itself and the environment.

Some suggestions:
* a quality fish oil~one that has a lot of DHA and EPA in it... don't worry about how much oil is there, it only adds calories as its the carrier for the these two actives
* a multi-b vitamin,
* vitamin C thru out the day...lemon in your water is great, or some powdered "crystaline" C... which will remove chlorine & from your water, too
* reducing your intake of refined carbs, replacing them with fresh produce
* a nap if at all possible, at least until your adrenals heal
* getting a full nite's sleep
* Ashwangandha, an herb that supports both adrenals and your thyroid. I like the one made by Himalaya Pure Herbs, its organic, gluten free, and the active in it, the Withanolides, are standardized
* a source of selenium to help with thyroid hormone conversion. I eat a coupla brazil nuts every morning as they are a reliable source. Some people have it in their Multi-vitamin.

As for when you take your meds, the rule to follow is to do so on an empty stomach and wait at least 60 -90 minutes. Avoid soy protein. Vitamins, minerals, other meds at least 4 hours away.

I take my meds under my tongue at nite before bed so that I can eat when I get up.
Everyone has to find their own way, what works for them... one way to do this is to ask questions like you have!

Welcome to our team.
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I am newly diagnosed with hypothyroid and had a question about medication. I just started taking Synthyroid last Monday and I notice I have more energy than I have had in forever the first half of the day. Around 4-5 I feel like I am crashing and I get overwhelmingly exhausted and kind of irritable. Normal? I try to exercise everyday right after taking my meds but before I eat, I am not sure if it makes a difference.

Thanks everyone!


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