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9/16/14 10:51 A

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I am off to lab test after switch to Armour from Levothyroxine, let ya know but I feel better.
Here is my group of nuts and dark chocolate for tracking around 200 calories.
I sometimes alternate chocolate. Easy to put into group and delete what I don't eat.
Food tracking takes work at first but gets easier.

Any other tips?

Brazil Nut (1 nut), 1 serving cals 30
Almonds, 6 almond cals 41
Hershey's Dark Chocolate Kisses, 1 kiss, 3 serving cals 60
Miniature Peanut Butter Cup (1 piece), 2 serving cals 72
_________cals_carb__fat__protein
TOTALS:__203__17__15__5


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Hey Sparkn

We've got to make sure we got SOME iodine for the tissues other than the thyroid that need it or if we eat crucifers, especially raw ones, in quantity.

But with iodine its very important not to overdo it.

Brazil nuts are great, but one or a half, depending on what your other intakes are.... which is why the Spark tracker's so great!


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Great topic! For thyroids, I understand that selenium and iodine are important; also calcium, sodium, potassium, vitD3, magnesium. Anything else we should be *especially* watching?

I love the tracking tool. I have learned that my newer way of eating is missing most micronutrients, especially as I restrict calories via fewer portion sizes than when I used to overat; so I am going to start taking a multi-vitamin, though probably just half of one. (Back @sparking; have quit soy, and 25 years of vegetarianism because of that, based on learning about soy's goitrogenic effects, from Spark thyroid boards! Also don't do cole crops much) Going to start adding a daily Brazil nut too.

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Goanna I hope you soon will feel better and am sorry about your loss. I received a call on Dec 2 that my mother had passed at home so I am here if you need a shoulder.
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I did get in to a Endo yesterday and have some testing and I go back in 2 months to see the Dr again.

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Just want to say I am feeling a lot better.
Taking early morning walks and seeing the
beautiful sunrise gives me a sense of peace.

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Thanks Mzz.
I am saddened today because one of my close friends
died last night. Going for a walk to clear my head.
Have taken your advice and taking my thyroxine
just before bedtime. Have a nice day. emoticon

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Always good to hear from you, Anna!

How great is it that you got to participate in a clinical trial... lets hope you got the mussels. There is something called a "placebo effect" whereby your belief can actually heal your body, but it usually only lasts 30 days. Supplements tend to be cumulative and not work as fast as drugs. So those would be two reasons why the trial lasts 3 months.

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Will do Mzz. It is a 12 week trial and we had to take a stool sample
before we started and will take one at the end of the trial. I take
3 capsule a day in the morning and have to record my pain levels.
We have all been told that the company will give all participants a
3 month's supply of the green lipped mussel. I am not sure if I am
on the placebo or not. Will definitely keep you posted. I think I will
take your advice and take the thyroxine before I go to bed, that way
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Hey Anna!

I would take my thyroid at nite then, right before bed.
A full, uninterrupted nite's sleep is better than getting up at 3 to take your med.

Anything in the stomach can interfere with the absorption of your thyroid medication.

Meaning you won't be getting the full benefits of the mussels because your thyroid will be off and when the thyroid is off everything in your body is off!

I will be interested in knowing how the green mussel trial goes, please keep us updated!

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Mzz, a quick question. I am doing a trial for knee problems
with green lipped mussels and I am supposed to take 3 before
breakfast. Is this the same as vitamins after the thyroxine.
I do take the thyroxine around 3 am so is it OK to have thee
capsules at 7am or should I wait longer?

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great news, KS!

Love to hear success stories...

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Some of my reading has stated that it is a good practice to have 1 night a week that you do not eat according to your diet. My husband has been doing that and still losing weight. I have been also eating the fast metabolism diet and have lost 30 pounds.

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Its perfectly okay to cheat every once and a while, just as long as its the exception and not the rule!

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I TOTALLY cheated today..
Over by 430 calories,
2 grams of fat,
40 carbohydrates
and right on target with protein.
Guess Taco Bell REALLY isnt good for a diet :(

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Carla
That's super you're making such wonderful progress!
There's more than one way to do this thing, it pays off to experiment roll with the circumstances as they change.

Sandra
Good to know you fixed your tracker and are no longer getting those messages!

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Hi,

I'm hypo (Hashi's), diagnosed in 2005 after a 3 year struggle to find out what was wrong with me. I'm currently taking 117µgr. thyroxine (100 on Wed & Sun and 125 on the other days) first thing in the morning and wait about an hour before having breakfast. I take my vitamins around 2 pm and Omega 3 before I go to sleep.
I experimented changing my morning dose to taking it before I went to bed but unfortunately I started on vacation in Spain where people eat very late in the evening. So my stomach wasn't empty when I went to bed. The result was not good (extra weight !) so after a few months I switched back to taking my meds in the morning.

I avoid soy but eat brocolli (steamed) regularly and have no problem with it.
I hope my cholesterol and blood sugar levels have improved since I started the fast diet in Sept 2012 and finally lost weight (13 lbs) ! I'm getting checked next week. I'll keep you posted.
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Thank you so much for all the great information mzzchief I finally learned how to reset my calorie, fat, and carb intake to match what I was already eating so now when I run my daily reports I won't get those annoying messages about being under my goals. Thanks again
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Glad to hear it!
Spark has so many wonderful tools...
Great that you have downloaded your trackers for minerals... way to go!

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T4 has to be deiodenased.... have one iodine molecule removed from the outer ring of the thyroid hormone compound... before it can be used by the body. T4 has four iodine molecules attached to it. So guess how many T3 has....

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If you take the word "deiodenase" apart, you can see how the word describes its function.
De (from)- ioden (iodine)- ase ( a suffix that means "enzyme").
So deiodinenase literally means "an enzyme that takes a iodine atom from" and what it takes this iodine molecule from is T4... thyroxine.

When there's too much T4 in the body, either thru hyperthyroid disease or too much thyroid prescription medication, your body is in a fasting state, your sick and bed bound, or you've been working out really strenuously, the deiodenase will sometimes take an iodine molecule from the inner ring of the thyroid hormone compound to keep you from going into a hyperthyroid state.

So high reverse T3 means that the body is trying to keep from going into a hyperthyroid state by turning some of the T4 medication its receiving into the inactive form of T3, rather than the active form of thyroid hormone, T3.

Sometimes the body does this in error, and hypothyroid symptoms will return. In these cases, high T4, high reverse T3, under range T3 and high TSH, it sometimes benefits a patient to gets some of their thyroid hormone directly from a T3 medication like Cytomel, with a corresponding reduction in their T4 meds.

Technically what's happened with the too high dose of T4, is "thyroid hormone resistance"... kinda like what happens in insulin resistance.

Its also why its important to get your blood tested for thyroid hormones and TSH under "normal" circumstances. Meaning no fasting, strenuous exercise or sickness/antiboditics/dehydration or not taking your meds as usual on the day of your draw.

Blood draws are like snapshots, they can only tell you what's in your blood at the time of the draw. Blood profiles are dynamic... meaning the change under different circumstances, times of the day.

So putting a lot of weight on one test, and drawing conclusions is like being a blind man and holding onto the tail of an elephant... making the assumption that all elephants are rope like creatures that can be held in one's hand.

Hope this increases your understanding.

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Does anyone know what it means for the T3 Reverse to be high?

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Gram,

I am thinking with both the weight loss and less inflammation after a years worth of D and Omega 3s, you simply need less medication. Because you've had the same amount of thyroid medication is coming in, even though you don't need as much, it accumulates in your blood and you've become hyPER.

I'd just keep doing everything you are doing now... and have your doctor lower your dose when you see him because your problem is that you are hyper, not hypo.

Meaning if you move back the time you take your supplements and other medications.... that will allow your body to absorb more thyroid hormone from your thyroid pill.

Which you don't want, because you're hyPER...


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Thanks. I have to take calcium, vit D, Omega 3-6-9 but have taken them for over a year but the calcium I have taken for about 20 years now! I think I will have to rethink when I take my medication! I take my thyroid meds first thing in the morning then wait an hour before eating then take the remainder of my vits and meds.

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Hey Grams!

Yes, going to hyper to hypo and back again, can be a problem for some people with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Not everyone, though.

Any number of things can cause you to go hyper.
Some of them are:

Eating foods that are iodine rich, or taking iodine.
Stopping HRT or birth control pills.... soy or isoflavone use.
Pregnancy, perimenopause, menopause
A change in your TPO and Tg antibody status.
Rupture of a nodule in your thyroid that contains thyroid hormone.
Improvement of liver and gut health.
Reducing the amount of thyroid antagonists (like the halogens fluoride, chlorine, bromine) in your diet.


Also..if you've been taking your thyroid meds with things that block it, and you stop... you'll need a decrease in meds because your body can now get to the thyroid hormone. Calcium, iron, antacids, minerals, vitamins, prescription meds... those all need to taken 4 or more hours away.

There's no doubt more, but those are the ones I know just off the top of my head.
So you can see that ... its complicated! Some of the things are within our control, others not.

Hope this helps!
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Results from my blood tests say that I am now hypERthyroid instead of hyPOthyroid. My medication will have to be reduced when I see my doctor next month. I have lost a bit of weight since my present medication was prescribed and I am now 70 yrs old. Is it normal for thyroid to change like this?

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hey Girl!

Glad you are feeling better. NUGh I hate being stuffed up as I am not much of a mouth breather.

Probiotics are great, brilliant to follow your antibacterial zpacks with them!

IF you are swallowing your thyroid pills, YES! it must be with a full glass of water. Its even better if that water is distilled water and has a bit of C added to it, as distilled water doesn't have any minerals in it to bind your medication, and C helps your body to absorb you thyroid hormone. Here's sumpin about C and thyroid meds:
www.endo-society.org/media/ENDO-08/r
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If you don't take your pill with a full glass, it will get stuck in your stomach, where nothing is absorbed.

Our stomachs are pretty much a bag of acid that continues the digestive process that started with Saliva in the mouth. Because its full of acid, its lined with a thick coat of mucous, to prevent the stomach from digesting itself. So only a few things are absorbed from there, alcohol, caffiene and aspirin... a small bit of water... everything else needs to wait until its released to the intestines.

The small intestine has 3 parts... its the jejunum (the middle part) that absorbs our thyroid meds!

So you can see your pill has a really long way to go before your body can soak it up... water is the vehicle it needs to get there. And once there, it goes to the liver where the liver binds it with carrier proteins, converts it to T3, rT3 or sets it free.

Me, I take my meds under my tongue before I go to sleep every nite.
If you do it this way, you must make sure that you have not brushed your teeth with a fluoride paste before or afterwards, or it will bind you med. You can brush your teeth with baking powder about an hour before, scrape your tongue to remove and residue...rinse like crazy... then take your pill sublingually about an hour later.

I take mine at nite, sublingually, because this way I don't have to worry about what I've had to eat and when. I can get up the next morning and start my day like a normal person... no waiting around or worrying if whatever I have for breakfast is going to effect my thyroid meds. On a physiological level, I like taking it sublingually because the cells all over my body get a shot at free thyroid hormone, before it goes the the liver and is bound with carrier proteins.

Some people may have problems with taking it at nite, as it can cause insomnia in some, or they don't like that its under the tongue for as long as it is, they don't have enuf saliva or its too much of an adventure and seems like your doing something risky/naughty. Me... I'm asleep so I don't even know how long it takes to dissolve and as for being naughty, my chosen name IS Mzzchief, so there ya go! LOL .

Only way you'll know is if you try it...
but in your case you may want to wait a month or so to let the antibiotics get out of your system as they can mess with your TSH and thyroid hormones... particularly if you've taken a floxin or quinolone antibiotic. So if you started taking your thyroid med right now sublingually and you didn't feel up to par, ran a thyroid panel, you'd think it was the sublingual method and not the antibiotics.

Here's to good health, fun and choices!
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Hi all, glad to be back...I'm finally recovering from upper respiratory/allergy mess. Just took my last z pack pill today and am now taking probiotics! Antibiotics always mess with my tummy. I've been reading on the posts and was wondering...do you have to drink 8oz of water when you take your thyroid meds? I have them in my pill reminder box along with the other meds I have to take in the AM. I take the 50 mcg levothyroxine. I know you're not doctors but I believe the best info comes in the form of friends and people with the same disorders. Would I benefit from placing my pill under my tongue before I go to bed at night? I've always taken it in the AM for some reason...is it better to take it at night? Thank you thank you!

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Something that I neglected to mention about taking Synthroid sublingually, is to break your pill up into quarters before you put it under your tongue for faster dissolution.

The pill is already scored in half and breaks easily that way using your fingernails. Once the half is broken, its easy to break it in half again. Do this over a flat ,preferably dark surface in case you drop it.

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I really appreciate all your input. You have repeated some of things my nutritionist says and I needed a 2nd opinion. Also, you have learned so much in this journey. Thanks so much.

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Okay.... just for Lexy as well as those out there that are interested... the results of my experiement are in... YES you can take your Synthroid sublingually!

YAY!

I've been taking it at nite before bed along with my T3 med, which I also take sublingually. Just pop them under my tongue. No worries about what I've eaten, when I took it, getting up at nite to Tink because I had to take my med with a FULL glass of water right before bed... blah blah blah

A few caveats...
You didn't think it was gonna be THAT easy, did ya? ha

1) I brush my teeth a few hours before I take it, and I don't use a fluoride toothpaste for that brushing.
2) I don't drink any water or put anything in my mouth after I've taken my thyroid pills... I've been taking them right before I get into bed to sleep.

Also good to know, my TPO antibodies are now a 5, meaning that they are low enuf not to register as a marker for thyroid disease. Prior to this they were at the hundred mark

My thyroglobulin is at 55, which while high enuf to register as a marker for autoimmune thyroid disease, is about 20 points lower that it was.

I am crediting my daily brazil nut habit for this fall in antibodies as they are a good source of selenium.

Don't know what my cholesterol is, if the addition of the the T3 replacement a year ago has had any inpact, since the lab forgot to measure it. But when I get those numbers, I will let ya know.

Everyone is different, but sometimes it pays to experiment and see if something works for you, too.

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Hey Lexy!

Thx for asking that question!

I've been taking my Synthroid (T4) sublingually since I posted about it.
Don't feel any different, since I started taking it this way.

I've always taken my Cytomel (T3)sublingually.
That raised my free T3 nicely.

I never tested to check my Free T4/T3/TSH levels after I started taking Synthroid sublingually, because my health insurance doesn't pay for tests until I run up a $2500 deductible.

Since I don't feel any different, it was really difficult for me to justify spending the $160+ sumpin dollars to get my Free T tests run with so many other expenses this year. If I felt horrible, that would be a different story, but I don't!

I will most definitely let everyone know what the results are when I do get around to testing!
Frankly, I don't see why Synthroid can't be absorbed sublingually... most everything else is, ya know?

Hope you're doing well!
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Hey Mzz:

You said-- "Currently I am experimenting with taking my Synthroid sublingually at nite, so that I don't have to deal with the very problem you describe here, which is taking 8oz of water before bed."

How did that work for you? Did labwork and personal experience correlate?

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I dread going to the dentist and can't imagine getting work done
that involves having to go back for more 'torture'...

That sucks, being in limbo and all. They have their money up front
wo to them it's fun having poor Mzz in limbo.

I am off to the dentist on Wednesday and I only have to have a
clean and checkup I hope. I have super sensitive teeth though and
I hate the visit. The only thing I have to tell them is that my receding
gums are starting to bother me. I may have treatment for that...

I hope you are not in limbo for too much longer.

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thx Anna!
After waiting 3 weeks with my temporaries, I went in for my fitting and was told that they needed to take a new impression of my top and bottom molars, that the ones they took 3 weeks ago weren't adequent. Shot me up. Then informed me whoopsie, Dentist hadn't had time to read the notes... they only needed to work on getting an impression of the bottom one. O gee thanks. Double dose of norephinerene for no good reason, just what my fatiqued adrenals need! LOL

I was told before I left, that they couldn't schedule an appointment to install the new crowns, until they had spoken with the lab... that they would call me back.

Currently I'm in limbo...waiting for my call back. LOL
I'm almost convinced Limbos a better place to be, than at the dentists.

They prolly like it too, since they were paid in full up front already.
Pass the bullets! ha

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MZZ, I don't envy your visit to the dentist. Hope you are ok. emoticon

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Wow, just went through some of these post. What a wealth of information.
I need to really read all the information.

Thanks for sharing.

I hope to join in.

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thx Anna for the chuckle!
Much needed after 4 hours at the dentists, being prepped for 4 crowns!
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To my dear Mad Scientist, thanks for the link about Cytamel.
I have printed it and will ask my doctor when I next see him. emoticon

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Ya, I have to do some exercise everyday... with the amount and intensity that i do, you'd think I'd have the body of a fitness model, but...um... no.ha I do it just to keep my head above water and my moods stable.

What's nice is that its finally warming up here, so my reptile blood isn't keeping me cool all the time... I don't eat as much as a result, and I'm outside and moving around a bit more.Recently I've adding walks in the evening... I'm fortunate to have a large park nearby.

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Dear Mad Scientist (aka MzzChief)~ Thanks so much for the indepth response! I had a meeting w/ my GP today (a sort of pre-endocrinologist meeting) and she has told me that my blood tests are showing that my brain thinks I have plenty of thyroid hormones in my body (thus the other doctor lowering the dose). Therefore, it is her opinion that my weight gain is related to my not exercising. O.k.

I will definitely ask the endocrinologist about evening out my daily dose of medication, as you have recommended, though, as that makes sense.

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hey Carpe!

Excellent that you have the good habit of being consistant with your thyroid hormone!

I would definitely look into finding a dosage, that you can take everyday, because of our circadian rhythms. You can figure this out for yourself. Just add up how much medication you take in a weeks time (including a zero for Sunday and your half dose on Saturday) and divide that number by 7. Here's a chart that will letcha know what the various doses are for levothyroxine... mabbe you can find one that is close.
www.rxlist.com/synthroid-drug.htm

Levothyroxine (t4) has a 7-10 day half life, which is superlong for a hormone or substance. For example the half life of Cytomel (T3) the other thyroid hormone is only 48 hours. And something like a Tylenol, is like 2-3 hours.

So some docs think that you don't really need it everyday, because of T4s long half life.. that there's enough in your system already.

Unfortunately, this ignors the 24 hour patterning of hormone release (circadian rhythms) in your body. My thoughts are that we want to mimick our natural rhythms as much as possible. Your doc may disagree with this, but I think its a question worth asking.

You and he have your complete patient history... there may be reasons why something won't work for you that people on our team don't know about. So its good to be cautious in making any changes.

Currently I am experimenting with taking my Synthroid sublingually at nite, so that I don't have to deal with the very problem you describe here, which is taking 8oz of water before bed. Also sometimes I forget to take my calcium, and I don't have 4 hours to wait before taking my thyroid pills. Or I want to go to sleep early, and its too close to the last thing I had to eat, to take them.

I know that Synthroid was designed to be taken with water, but I can't really think of a reason why it can't be absorbed sublingually. I suppose I will find out within the next month or so, when I retest my thryoid hormone levels. I've been on this for about a week now. So far I feel fine, but then there's that 7 -10 day halflife period of T4 to think about. If I get past that and still feel good.... then its working!

I'm a bit of a mad scientist, though, and love to run experiments on myself in a quest for better health! ha

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MzzChief~ thanks for the great info. I've been taking my thyroid medication religiously when I wake up, an hour before I eat, since my thyroid was removed in 2007. So, there shouldn't be any fluctuating going on, except that I'm supposed to take just 1/2 a pill on Saturdays & no pill on Sunday, so that seems like it could throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing!

I know exactly what you mean about travel - especially internationally. That can certainly be exhausting and throw one's timing completely off!

My only hesitations about taking the medication @ night are 1. drinking that amount of water right before bed & 2. the opening from my esophogus to my stomach isn't working properly (meaning that it doesn't always open). So, if something were to happen w/ that expanding medication & I were sleeping am not sure that would be a great idea. Anyhoo, I'll ask the doctor about it.

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Carpe...
Its best to take your med at the same time everyday, as best you can. So choose a time and sick with it.

You may have heard of "circadian rhythms" before. Examples of this are the ebb and flow of hormones, body temperatures, waking and sleeping cycles in the body. In a healthy human, these things happen on a regular time table... if you've ever flown overseas and gotten jet lagged, or when daylite savings time first changes and throws your day off... you will understand how they effect the body when just one of them... the wake and sleep cycle, is thrown off.

I think the reason why docs tell us to take it in the morning, is because we all generally rise at the same time everyday (at least during the work week) and its easy to remember our pills then as well as take them with a full 8 oz glass of water.

At nitetime though, your digestion slows down, so there's a better chance of your meds being absorbed. And since you're not sending down any food, there's nothing to interfere with your meds absorption for the entire time you are asleep.

By all means ask your practioner what he thinks!
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Thanks MzzChief! That never even occured to me!!! I'm meeting w/ my endocrinologist on April 13th, so will ask him about this then.
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Carpe~
You might want to try taking your medication at nite, about an hour before bed and see if that works better for you.

As long as you are taking it with sufficient water (8 oz) to get it into the jejunum.... and waiting a few hours after dinner to take it, you should be okay.

That way you can take all your vitamins, supplements and any other medications you are on, eat whatever you like for breakfast.

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@LivLuvLaf~ I'm new to the site too & although I had my thyroid removed (due to cancer) in 2007, my endocrinologist has not been forthcoming w/ information. My medication says not to eat soy, walnuts, or a high fiber diet. I always take my medication when I wake up & then wait an hour before eating breakfast. However, the last time he lowered my medication (his conconcern that I was losing bone mass, although the scan says I'm not) I gained all of the weight I had just lost plus 4 more pounds (ugh!). Now I read something about waiting 1-2 hours before taking medication & eating anything w/ fiber in it, but that one can eat a high fiber diet as long as the medication has absorbed into the body. I'm REALLY confused...
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Mornin' Anna!

The best way to take flaxseed it to grind it as needed as it goes rancid so quickly.
I have a little grinder that I use just for that and coffee beans. Nothing fancy.
That way you can store the whole seed whole in your pantry, as the oils are kept safe from air as they are locked away within the seed coat.

If you buy it already ground then storing it in your freezer is helpful!
Flax really is yummy on oatmeal.
Congrats on breaking your plateau...


Renee~
Flaxseed oil contains only one type of Omega-3 fatty acid... ALA.
There are three omega3 fatty acids, ALA, EPA and DHA.
All three have long complicated names, so they are known by their initials.

Fish oil has both DHA and EPA in it, flaxseed does not.
The ALA in flaxseed oil is can be converted by the liver into EPA and DHA.
The problem is that as we age, or if we have any sort of liver issues, this conversion process can be limited.

So its a good idea to take DHA and EPA as well.
The place to get these two, is fish... or fish oils.

Whenever you buy fish oil, make sure you look for how much DHA and EPA is in it.
That's what you're paying for... not the "oil" in fish oil... that oil is simply what the DHA and EPA floats in.

Its a good idea to keep all your oils refridgerated.
In the past I have opened a couple of vitamin E capsules and put it in there.... shook it up well, to help preserve it. Now I add a capsule of Astaxanthin.


Don't worry about getting Omega 6 fatty acids. We get plenty of those already, from the foods we eat. Grains in particular are full of them. As are the cooking oils. Why pay for something we are already getting plenty of in our diets?

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I have a tablespoon on my cereal or oats in
the morning. I buy ground flax seeds from
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Hi MZZCHIEF, thank-you for the info. on flax. I'd like to buy a jar of flaxseed for oatmeal, yogurts, and things. I have used one bottle a couple yrs ago Carlsons Lemon flavored fishoil. Definetly refrigerate for the chill and freshness. But at that time I didn't refill. I use a Cholestrol free Fish oil 1000mg-2xa day. I also have Flaxseed oil on hand. I havn't called my doctor or a pharmesist, my question is the Fish oil has Omega 3&6 in it, and Flaxseed oil bottle says Omega-3 fatty acids are in it. So do I take both, or one or the other, kind of confusing because I'm not sure. Both are 1000mg eachx twice a day. I like one that would be good for heart, and to help keep my arteries clean, so my body can recieve the nutrients I need, and what I don't need eliminate. If my belly were gone, I'd look half way there. Any other suggestion from you or others in this group would be appreciated. Thank-you.
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hi Renee!
Flax is a seed. Its not a grain... it comes from a small bright blue flower. Here's a link to a photo and so you can see what it actually looks like.

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One of the problems with flaxseed oil is that it goes rancid very quickly.
I had to stop buying it for that reason alone.
It started to be embarassing how many bottles were rancid.

Now I use Carlson's lemon flavored fish oil.
It comes in a bottle, Its great poured onto cooked veggies at the table, on salads and in smoothies.
The advantage of taking your oil this way is that it helps make the oil soluable vitamins in your food more bioavailable... easier for your body to absorb.

The downside is that once the bottle is opened, it needs to be refridgerated.
But then so does the flax oil.

I do take flax from time to time, but I put it in grinder, grind and use it immediately.
As long as the oil is in the seed, it will not go rancid.

I love all the crucifers you've listed! I steam or stir fry mine with other veggies in a little coconut oil. My particular body is okay with them when they are prepared that way.

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I read MZZChief article on flaxseed. I've been wanting to try these. Thanks for the info. on freshness, and experation, and color. Does this come from a grain? The flaxseed that's dry, is what I would like to use on my food. The broccili and cauliflour, and cabbage I eat in moderation, because these are crucifiers I know is a great thing and a cancer prevention, and fiber. I'm for all that. emoticon

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Thanks Mzz. I printed this out so I am going to have no excuse.

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This is a repost of PURRBALLS response on another thread, that I thought was too good to lose! So I am reposting it here. Its how to redo your carbs, protien and fat percentages and lower or raise the numbers:

"To alter your percentages in spark

Go to my nutrition page. At the top is a change nutrition goals button. You need to click edit for each of the food types. Remember to save after entering your new numbers!

Figure out the percentages you'd like. For many it is 40% carbs, 30% proteins and 30% fats. I'll use that as an example.

Say your caloric range to eat in a typical day as computed by spark is 1200-1500 calories.

Take the range and multiply it by your percentages.

1200 x .4 = 480
1500 x .4 = 600
1200 x .3 = 360
1500 x .3 = 450

Now, remember that each gram of protein = 4 calories, each gram of fat = 9 calories and each gram of carbs = 4 calories do your computations

carbs
480 / 4 = 140
600 / 4 = 150

enter these under carbs in your nutrition goals

protein
360 / 4 = 90
450 / 4 = 112

enter these under protein in your nutrition goals

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360 / 9 = 40
450 / 9 = 50

enter these under fats in your nutrition goals.

When you've entered each of these and saved them remember to click save changes at the bottom of the page. It's now ready to go!"

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hey Harmony and Anna!

Both your recipes sound delicious! Yes, rocket and argula are the same plant differently named. I've grown it here in winter... it requires cooler weather, but stopped when I discovered it was something I should not be eating everyday!

Sadly, I can't control myself... if its around, I'm gonna eat it!

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Is aragula what we call rocket in Australia I wonder. I just love it with some sliced onions and good olive oil and cider vinegar.

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Speaking of arugula salad...
I had one at the Senate restaurant in Cincinnati a couple of months ago that I just can't stop thinking about.
A nice bowl of arugula, with 1/3 of an avacado (diced), same proportion of mozzarella cubes, a few cherry tomatoes, a little fresh basil, plenty of finely ground fresh pepper lightly dressed with balsamic vinegar.
Wonderful taste combination!

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hey Jane!

Regarding flax seeds... I think that this is one food where everyone should see how things work with their own physiology. Flaxseed oil for me is too problematic. I've had to return far too many bottles of it, due to rancidity issues. Including some that had expiration dates as long as a year out AND were properly stored and refridgerated.

If you are taking the oil, its got to be a rich golden color and its got to taste sweet and buttery.

If there's even a hint of bitterness... its rancid. Meaning its already absorbed all the free radicals it can, and is full of them, ie toxic... needs to be thrown out or returned to the store if you just bought it. The safest place to store it is in your freezer.

There have been some talk about the ALA it contains not converting as well as it should into DHA or EPA.

Instead of flax oil, I take a high quality fish oil where these two are ini abundance. The Brain and the myelin sheath on our nerves are composed of the fatty acid DHA along with protiens. So my thoughts here are why not supply whats needed and difficult to get thru diet?

Flax seed freshly ground is another thing altogether... its a "whole food". The flax seed keeps the oil tighly sealed away from oxygen so there's no fear of rancidity. It also has beneficial lignans and fiber. There is some concern about a toxin that flax contains, cyanide, but its in such small quantities that our bodies can usually process this no problem.

Anywho, its a personal choice! As long as you are have a repudable source of fresh oil, storing your flaxseed oil properly, or grinding your flaxseed just before use, are enjoying it, and not experiencing any side effects I say have at it!

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Dee!

Hey I have found that lightly steaming my crucifers helps a good deal... I'm like you, they are too tasty and good for ya, to totally give up!

And I'm not above having a fresh arugula salad from time to time, either... ha

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2 quilts... hey!

Its an excellent idea to track your sodium!

Don't forget potassium since it works in consort with sodium, in the celluar transport system, moving essentials into and out of the cell membranes.

Unfortunately our modern diets are really low in potassium and high in sodium which is why so many have high blood pressure and a host of other issues.

Regarding calcium supplements, the calcium in the studies they used, my understand was that it was calcium carbonate alone... taken without vitamin D, magnesium or zinc, in an unchleated form. Chleated forms of calcium are bound with an amino acid, making it more bioavailable, as the body percieves it as a food due to the amino acid (a building block of protien.)

IMO its always a good idea to get your nutrients from food... but its difficult to do so when you are trying to stay under 1300 calories a day. So if you are using your Spark Tracker, inputting your foods everyday, are tracking your nutrients, you can add what you're missing at the end of the day, or over the course of the day if you find you are coming up short on a nutrient on a chronic basis. For example, I always take half a low dose multivitamin.

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Just remarking about the soy products. Once I hit menopause I was eating all soy products, having read it was good for the symptoms. Turned out I also was doing something to only make matters worse. So now I avoid all soy products, and decided to drink Almond milk, since dairy was upsetting my stomach. Live and Learn..but yes..I too read to limit cabbage, broccoli, and brussle sprouts. I just try not to have them too often, but I love them too much to take them off my eating list.

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If I am reading this topic correctly, I need to avoid some of my favorite veggies like broccoli, cauliflower, lima beans, and cabbage so my med will do a better job controlling my thyroid -- even though my levels are normal? My doc says my labs are normal but I still have symptoms I need to control.

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Brand new to this site. Have seen endocronologist twice and began having muscle pain in legs after increase of levothyroxine. Have been doing a lot of research on my own and have slowly found that many things I thought were good, are actually bad; such as soy products and even dairy products for patients with hypothyroidism. Desperately need to lose weight. emoticon

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Ideal would be to do a 40/30/30%...protein,carb,fat.


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Debra-B,
Did anyone ever get back to you on your question? I searched in the area to edit what you track (as Mzzchief explained at the beginning of this thread) and found the placed to edit the amounts, but I wonder if I adjusted it appropriately.
I lowered the carbohydrates by about 40, and raised the protein and fat by 6 each. I know I feel better and my body works better through the day with less carbs, but this is just a guessing game right now. Does anyone have any suggestions on a reasonable balance between the three?
Thanks!

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Joanna, I have just had new bloodtests for my thyroid and was told that the thyroid is almost at the point of not working.

He now has ordered new tests among others for irron, so I will let you know when I find out what thyroid and iron have in common.

At least I know why I am so tired all the time and that I cannot budge the weight.

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That really is a tough one. You could eat totally clean with protein at every meal and lift weights and probably lose 20lb in 2 months or less. Why 20? I'd like to lose 25lbs. I know my pants would be more comfortable. I just have to get more sleep so I'm not exhausted when I get home so I can talk myself into lifting and sweating. Yes, we can do it and it's up to us to get it done! Good luck! Be good to yourselves!

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Tough to answer this question. I have been trying to loose another ten..and it took months to loose the first ten. I exercise everyday, and have gone back to journaling. Take one day at a tme. Try not to get too upset, because with thyriod issues, it is harder, but not impossible. I go for healthy now..and try not to concentrate on the scale too much. Look for other changes..such as inches lost. If you do weights also, you will become leaner..and that makes you look a lot thinner. You will also burn more calories, with more muscle. Good luck:-)

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Hi, interesting topic. I have never heard anything negative about calcium, but have always been informed it was best to take it in a Citrate form. The other tends not to be effective, and could form stones in your bladder. I also was told by my alternative doctor to add Vitamin D to my daily dose. She said it was very important to help with the asorption of calcium, but also said it is essential for nearly every part of your body.
I will be really interested in finding more information about this.
I also track sodium. I can't use salt at all, or bloat. I am finding Mrs. Dash to be wonderful as an alternative, but also I do not use processed foods at all. There is salt in everything, and far more than we need. Now I make my own spice mixes. Very cheap to make, and a good way to use up my own dried herbs from my garden.

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Hi 2 Quilts,
I saw that also on FOX about calcium. I do get my dairy but was taking a supplement and now not sure either. I need more research.
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