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5/9/13 10:17 P

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and certainly atkins does not work for everyone nor is it healthy for most sure dropping weight is healthy and sure not testing is healthy??? i don't agree and i have chronic kidney disease and that is a whole new ball game to add to diabetes and of course i just went through a course of prednisome eyedrops my sugars will be down and my a1c in about 6 to 8 weeks..russell you are lucky and an exception for sure my a1c is about 13 right now because of needed eyedrops just ruining my recoed several years of mid fives but i have to see..it's a crazy disease for sure
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5/9/13 8:56 P

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I don't get how you can keep your carbs under 50? My problem is I will not follow an Atkins diet. I don't believe that all that fatty food is good for you in any simple terms. The only thing I see that is low carb in my plan is vegetables. I am already doing without a lot of things.
I don't take medication or do insulin. I do not want to. That's why I am cutting out a lot of bad food items. No sugar, except what is in fruit. But no refined or added sugar. I saw that oatmeal, which I eat is high in carbs 22 to a half a cup of dry. That would be almost half my quota of carbs for the day? 8 chicken thighs Russel? Thats almost half my calories for the day? I don't get that type of eating, I know it follows the low carb. I would be sick of chicken thighs pretty quickly! lol
Obviously it works for you, to keep you off the meds. But doesn't Atkins promote lots of eggs, cheese and greasy foods like bacon, for their plan? I remember my neighbor ate tons of bacon, and eggs for breakfast, oh yeah she lost, but gained it all back within weeks.
My Dr. says weight loss, and proper diet are key factors in controlling the disease.
These past few days I have heard so many pros and cons to different approaches to fix this. And at this time I am totally confused, and cannot wait to see the Dr. and let him know what I am learning, and not learning. He said he could refer me to a dietitian but a bit afraid of what they might say to eat, and completely throw me.
I figure mainly NO SUGAR. And adding to that no processed or refined foods.
RUSSEL when you were first diagnosed, did you have to take the blood glucose tests, were you put on medication at the time, or insulin?

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5/9/13 8:06 P

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Type 2 diabetes is simple. You ate too many carbs, and spiked your blood sugars, which released Insulin, and stored the excess glucose as body fat. Over time your body stops working correctly. You end up obese with high blood sugars and cravings for carby foods, and pop.

Simple fix.. low carb. I started 4 years ago this month, and have had an A1C of 5.5 or less for 3 years, during which I have been off all meds. Eating carbs while being diabetic is like speeding towards a cliff, and deciding to push on the accelerator half as hard. Now you will slowly go over a cliff. Cars = high blood sugar. You can eat a bowl of fat, and no spike in blood sugars of any appreciable amount. Protein will do it, but you have to eat a lot of it. Carbs spike blood sugars very easily, and by limiting them, you can get off all meds.

Managing the disease means you still are slowly suffering the effects. It may take longer but amputation, kidney failure, blindness, and heart problems are on the menu. I am 39, but was diagnosed at 28, and followed the diabetic diet for 7 years, I stayed at 350 lbs, and my A1C never dropped below 8. I think the reason people " managed " the diet was that they got it at 60, so they didn't have too long to live anyways. Now people are getting it in their 20's and 30's. You may live till 80. Even slowing down the progression, you will have some of these issues during middle age. Managing the disease is no longer an option. Getting your blood sugars below 5.5, and getting off meds is a much better option. It's called being a latent diabetic, and the only people I have ever heard who use this term are people who drop carbs below 50 g a day, eating low glycemic fruits, and veggies for carbs, along with meat and eggs, and fats, like oil/butter.

Some people can make their doctor happy and get below 7 A1C, and FBS's in the low 100's, and hopefully that works for them, even if that requires a pill. I was on 2000 mg Metformin, and an Amaryl in the morning. My blood sugars averaged over 300, and I switched because my doctor threatened my with Insulin shots.

If I had been on Insulin, I would not have been able to switch to low carb easily. I had some ice cream and pop the night before starting, and had a blood sugar over 800 in the morning. Well actually around noon. I slept poorly, so woke late. I had 8 chicken thighs and water for brunch, and 2 hours later my blood sugar was 99.

It makes me sad to hear about people managing this disease when they can avoid all the sticking of your fingers, and pills completely, and so easily. Sadly, once you are on Insulin, you would need a doctor's help to avoid low blood sugars, and they are reluctant to help with low carb.

"We can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them "

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4/30/13 10:03 A

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4/28/13 11:20 A

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Hello LeanJean from Elliot lake, Canada. Where are you? I used to live in Ontario for my formative years. Visited BC, Alberta, and Quebec too.
My wife just go a preventing Diabetes card from our health care provider. Big on the info sheet is control the risk factors:overweight, lack of physical activity, elevated blood sugar levels, race, and ethnicity. It lists tips and further reference sites and webinars. Its a job let me tell you.

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4/28/13 12:19 A

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4/27/13 7:41 P

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I like the variety is the spice of life. Doing the basics then adding to it as needed. Diabetes takes a lot of planning. It becomes a way of life.

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4/27/13 4:34 P

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ok friends
just doing pills or exercise or diet is not enough..when i was diagnosed i weighed 378 pounds..that's a lot for 5'2"..i waddled mostly..i took pills for a long time and then i took more pills plus insulin so what and i did chair excercies then my endo recommended sparkpeople..for me that was the lifesaver..i went off diets forever with spark people..upped my food intake and lost the weight..five years 273 pounds and maintaining now for almost four..the weight came of with more calories going in than i ever ate in my life..because a person cannot survive on 500 to 1000 calories a day..isn't going to happen for sure..told him as i was already as big as a house i would be as big as an apartment building if i ate that much..and he said do or die just believe what i am telling you..and he was right and he is overjoyed that i continue to stay with it..i chose insulin alone for my maintainmance and i continue to maintain a mid 5 a1c now for several years and i feel great..you have to learn to eat and you have to pay attention to portion sizes..i continue to weigh and measure everything..i even do it in restaurants and people i eat with either like it or they know better than to invite me..i am never going back ever and i wouldn't think of giving up my insulin..you have to PAY ATTENTION..you can have just about anything in moderation..that is a truth for sure..this team is open to all comers and we are here to make your life easier with our experiences..come often post daily do what is necessary..diabetes for dummies in the library easy reading for sure
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TODAY IS LIFE THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL

there is no cause when there is no effect km

i can do that, but not on a tuesday
for that is my day of thrust in the opposite direction -
off the starboard bow
over the hurdles,
and down the shute.

last is just the slowest winner. c.hunter boyd

people often say that motivation doesn't last. well neither does bathing - that's why we recommend it daily. zig ziglar

if i stitch fast enough do


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4/26/13 9:48 P

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Anytime MJ.

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4/26/13 8:24 P

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Thanks George! I appreciate the encouragement. emoticon

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My nutrition tracker is like GOLD to me.

Our reward is not food, but achievement. Many of us make the mistake of rewarding ourselves with food, isn't that what got us here in the first place?

SUGAR IS EVIL, DON'T USE IT!! IN ANYTHING!!


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4/26/13 8:16 P

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Maybe you were going to do something about your weight. This might be the catalyst you need. Good luck on that journey. It sounds like you have initiated some positive changes. Smarter food choices are essential. Way to go on the pro-active exercise improvements. emoticon

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He told me his biggest number of diagnosis's is Type 2 diabetes. I am beginning to think my numbers were not that high, but high enough for a diagnosis. Weight loss is a key factor. And he told me what to avoid in the foods I was eating at the time. I have an appt. follow up to see how I managed to do in 3 months. Both in weight, and how my numbers are. With the plan I have been following, I am doing everything in my power to reverse this diagnosis. I walk everyday at least a mile. I am increasing it to 2 miles this next week. Honestly I never stayed with any exercise regime, as long as I have this time. I guess being scared out of my mind, helped a bit. It's not just about the weight loss to me, I have 56 lbs to lose. But the fact I am cleaning up my eating habits, and ditching the sugars, refined foods etc. anything that can hurt me in the long run. I am out for blood, and it's not mine!

I drink loads of water, first thing in the morning before anything else I drink one liter. (natural cleanse)

Oh yeah, and I have seen loads of people diagnosed with this disease, and do nothing to change their eating habits and sedentary lifestyle. What is up with that? My friends husband is one of them. He was told to lose 30 lbs. He hasn't. He still eats poorly, sugars mainly. And this guy has to take INSULIN! This upsets me to no end. When it happened to me I freaked out, and that very day decided, NOT ME!! His attitude is "Oh well" I guess he isn't taking into account what it is doing to his wife. She tries so hard to get him to quit eating the junk, she takes it out of the basket (supermarket), he puts it back in and glares at her. I told her to leave him at home when grocery shopping, then he glares at me! lol

Edited by: MJLUVSANIMALS at: 4/26/2013 (19:47)
You can't turn a Boston Bull into a whippet.

Don't be afraid to walk on the moon.

Life is just a chair of bowlies
(Erma Bombeck)

My nutrition tracker is like GOLD to me.

Our reward is not food, but achievement. Many of us make the mistake of rewarding ourselves with food, isn't that what got us here in the first place?

SUGAR IS EVIL, DON'T USE IT!! IN ANYTHING!!


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4/26/13 6:27 P

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Your situation seems to similar to other I have read on this forum. Sometimes the Doctor feel the greatest impact regarding your Diabetes is your weight. To the point that Doctors want the weight loss even before medication. Very tough to hear that for sure. I had lost some weight due to high blood pressure concerns, so that hard work had been done before I was diagnosed with Diabetes 2. Tracking your nutrition, drink plenty of water, get into some increased exercise, in other words take care of what you can take care of. You have been presented a new challenge, and you have to connect to it. Good luck.

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Everyones body reacts differently to their Diabetes. You need to talk to your Dr. I hope he is diagnosing you by having done an A1C Blood Test. He should be repeating A1C test about every 3 months or so. He should give you a Diabetic Diet Sheet or Booklet. A lot of Dr.'s will give you a Blood Glucose Meter, so that you can test your own BG every morning..called Fasting Blood Glucose, before Breakfast. Sometimes the Dr. will want you to test more often in the beginning.
Judging by your Blood Glucose numbers he/she will decide if they think you can control it with diet and exercise, or oral meds, or Insulin...or a combination of those three.
I have been diabetic type 2, for over 25 years, controlled with diet and Metformin. But no two people are the same. Your Dr. need to see how YOU are reacting to your Diabetes. If you don't think he/she is taking it seriously, ask him to refer you to Diabetic Education Classes, offered at most Hospitals, and your Local branch Of American Diabetes Association..here in the States. You might want to ask to be refereed to an Endocrinologist too. emoticon

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4/25/13 8:14 P

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No one has said why some type 2's take insulin or pills and some don't? My Dr. said lose the weight and eat proper foods. He said nothing about the meds, insulin or glucose testing. Any one???? emoticon

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Don't be afraid to walk on the moon.

Life is just a chair of bowlies
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My nutrition tracker is like GOLD to me.

Our reward is not food, but achievement. Many of us make the mistake of rewarding ourselves with food, isn't that what got us here in the first place?

SUGAR IS EVIL, DON'T USE IT!! IN ANYTHING!!


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It is always a "slap in the face" shock when first diagnosed, even though many of us really were dealing with it long before the diagnosis but in denial.

No med alone, or insulin, is going to control the blood sugar. It has to be a combination of med(s), diet and exercise. All three. Exercise is really a great blood sugar stabilizer.

Have you seen a Diabetic Educator yet? That will help you learn ways to take care of yourself and is a source of support.

glad you're here. Take advantage of all the information available. Educate yourself.

You can do this.

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Good advise, George. There is a lot of advise, crazy and otherwise, on the interweb about Type 2. Your doctor, your nutritionist, and the experience you're getting is what will work best for you. My doctor said to get the pounds off, or the oral meds will stop working, then I'll be on insulin. So here I am!
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I take Metformin for my Diabetes 2 condition. Have been taking it for a little less than 1 year. My understanding is if my condition was not controlled with Metformin, I would likely be on some form of insulin.
I agree about your feeling about Diabetes. I think that be said about anyone being diagnosed with one of the 7 major diseases, Diabetes being one of them. You just try to manage it the best you can to slow its adverse affects on you.

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Why do some type II have to take insulin shots? Is it because of the numbers? My Dr. agreed that I could reverse mine with just a good sensible diet? I was never asked to take the glucose tests, or given any medication (my Dr. knows I despise medications) I am thinking my numbers were not that high, actually I don't know. When I see him again, I am going to get my beginning # 's and the average expected # 's and my #'s at that time. I have no clue, other than
I don't want it. The disease and the medication.

You can't turn a Boston Bull into a whippet.

Don't be afraid to walk on the moon.

Life is just a chair of bowlies
(Erma Bombeck)

My nutrition tracker is like GOLD to me.

Our reward is not food, but achievement. Many of us make the mistake of rewarding ourselves with food, isn't that what got us here in the first place?

SUGAR IS EVIL, DON'T USE IT!! IN ANYTHING!!


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Hello,
My name is Latisha and I am 37 years old, I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes when I was 25. Actually they said I was a "Pre-Diabetic," but that status didnt last long. I would say that I was in denial for a long time until I started to feel some of the effects that happen because of being a diabetic. Numbness in the toes and fingers, always thirsty, being tired and so on. My levels have been as high as 500. Almost two months ago I decided to go into the Dr and start to get myself back on track. They did blood work on me and Thank God all of my organs are in excellent condition. My eye sight is not so great but that God it is not too serious and all I need to do is wear glasses.

My Dr. started me on oral medication but we quickly learned that the pills were not working like she had hoped. So no I am giving myself insulin shots twice a day. a place i NEVER wanted to be. My dad used to warn me but I was just doing what I wanted to do. I have friends that support me but NO ONE knows what you go through other than some one who has gone through it or is still fighting through it! So that is why I am here. I am struggling with taking this weight off and staying motivated and disciplined. I praying that I meet some people on here to help encourage me and help me stay on track.

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