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2/13/13 10:54 A

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Congrats! I think success is a great motivator. Just remember how good you feel when you're eating low carb; that might be enough to help you keep it up.

Keeping your blood sugar under 140 at all times is paramount to avoiding potential complications.


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2/13/13 2:06 A

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I have gone low carb for two weeks leading up to surgery.My sugars have dropped alot.I didn't think I could do it.My bloating has gone away and I have lost some weight.The big plus is I have lost the sugar (cravings).and I have not been hungry.
I don't know if I will be as strict after surgery but will try.

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2/12/13 4:23 P

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Plus, it's WAY LESS expensive to eat "real food" rather than all the attempts at substitutions and replacements!

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2/12/13 4:02 P

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Russell, thanks for clarifiying on the induction. I guess I did not read that one cover to cover. emoticon
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On Atkins '72 it was zero the first week Birgit. The '92 version was the New Diet Revolution.

If you read the current Atkins books, you probably couldn't lose any weight. With all the shakes, bars, sugar free food, diet food, and sugar alcohols, the diet has been obscured by people either trying to make it seem like Atkins doesn't work, or people trying to profit off Dr. Atkins.

I don't even think Induction is necessary for most people. Get your 20-25% protein, add in 5 servings of vegetables, stay under 40 grams of carbs, and fill the rest of the menu with fat. It is very simple, but people keep trying to make alternatives to the bad foods they used to eat. There is an alternative.. good food. If it is processed, or has sugar alcohols, aspartame etc, skip it. Later on, once you get the hang of the diet, you can slowly add back in more carbs, and try out whether sugar alcohols affect you poorly.

Don't you think that you should do it strict at first, so you know what it feels like? Increased energy, no hunger. That way, when you try something new, and it kicks you out of lipolysis, you know it, because you will feel sluggish, starving.. kind of like you do now.

Many people who call themselves low carbers haven't really ever felt these effects. They cut down to 60, or 80 grams, and lose some weight, but never eliminate cravings, and still feel sluggish. The weight loss will be beneficial, but they have no idea what they are missing. They could actually feel much better, and be in greater control.

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2/12/13 3:23 P

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Birgit, I was referring to the book I had. It may have allowed veggies, but from what I remember he did not count them as carbs. So maybe it did have carbs, but what the book I had started out with was that you were not supposed to eat any carbsl. No milk, fruit, breads or anything. I stuck with it for 2 months, but never lost more than the 12 pounds from the first two weeks and I was really active back then.

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2/12/13 2:33 P

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Atkins is not carb-free even during the first two weeks of induction. The book says to eat eat 20 grams of carbs/day from vegetables mostly.

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2/12/13 1:13 P

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Thanks for the information on Bernstein, Valerie. The person on the list I am on is always saying to follow Bernstein, but she did say it didn't matter how many fats and proteins you eat.

I don't remember exactly how Adkins started, but I know you could not have any carbs the first week, then could add in a few later (that was the 1st book he came out with) and I remember you could have all the fats. I can't remember on proteins, but I think that was unlimited then, too. I tried it in the summer when it said you couldn't have any fruits and I couldn't handle that. Besides, his diet I lost the water weight in the first two weeks and then nothing else. So I went back to eating normally. At least then I was only around 145-150. Then I found out about Mountain Man Nut company, which also had really yummy candy and that is when things started to go really bad for me.

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2/12/13 12:21 P

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Sounds like Bernstein is really quite similar to Atkins. Dr.Atkins himself was not about selling supplements or foods but whoever is in charge now seems to be much more into making money and ALL the Atkins foods are a waste of money in my opinion and also very bad food choices.
What Atkins did not make as clear in his books (because the information was not as wide-spread) is the addictive nature of many high-carb foods, in particular grains and sugar and the toxic nature of fructose and it's role in causing diabetes.
I should add that most people on the low-carb/Atkins team on spark are aware of these things and are very supportive for people who want to go low-carb. emoticon
Birgit

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2/12/13 12:14 P

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My belief is that most people with diabetes are afraid to try low carb. I was warned repeatedly about the dangers. They don't want a second disease to deal with

Finally I realized that diabetes led to heart disease, and cancer, as well as kidney failure, and maybe blindness, or an amputation along the way. Even the dire warnings of Atkins didn't sound as bad as what was guaranteed with diabetes. I have never heard of anyone getting off their diabetes meds following the " diabetic diet ". So with a 100% failure rate, why do doctors stick to it so much? That path is just a death sentence that you have slowed down by getting your blood sugars down to 160, instead of 280. It never fixes the problem.

Yes, you will still be diabetic, and returning to eating the way you do today, will put you right back on death's waiting list.

I have no idea about Bernstein's diet. I tried Atkins and it worked. Since then there have been a multitude of copycats.. paleo, primal, etc. I think they all work, as long as you keep carbs low.

I am currently eating 70-80% fat. Lots of eggs, and meat, with olive oil and butter. I am also off my cholesterol meds too. I get about 3-5% from carbs, and 15-25% from protein. I would eat a higher protein percentage, but with the high fat, I am at 2500 calories a day. So 16.6% protein is 122 grams. I find that if I go over 180 grams a day, or around 160 average, I stall.

I lost 1.4 lbs this week to get past 150 lost in the past 4 years. I tend to eat very high fat, very low carb, and then move to a period of 10 servings of vegetables, and less fat. I doubt most people need to be this strict.

If anyone would like to try this on their blood sugars. Eat a couple pieces of chicken, and a cup of green beans for lunch and also dinner, and have a breakfast of eggs, and cheese. Just one day with nothing but these foods. Just 2 cups of green beans. No more than 2 ozs of the cheese. I guarantee you that you will see a large drop in blood sugars. Don't worry about calories. You may lose weight, but more importantly,if you take your blood sugar, and it is 85, maybe you will be convinced. Since it eliminates hunger, you reduce calories naturally.

Atkins Induction is unnecessary except as a tool to make you believe that it works. Starting at 30 grams a day isn't going to make it not work. I would recommend looking at the foods that are not allowed though. I have seen people do well at 100 grams a day, eating a strict diet of allowable foods, and others struggling at 30 grams, because they eat things with sugar alcohols, sugar free, or diet foods. The types of carbs are important as well.

I would love to be sitting here in a year with 100 other people who no longer take any diabetes meds.

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I don't have any statistics, unfortunately, because whenever I've talked about my low carb lifestyle, most people just dismiss is. And yes, many dietitians are 'old school' and don't agree with it. Heck, you can still find more info on the web that says you should "never eliminate entire food groups" so many carb-lovers will latch onto that an give you the "your brain can't work without carbs" rationale. Basically, I find many of us are on our own and need to find what works for us.

As for Bernstein's Diabetes Solution, it's not advocating unlimited protein and fats. He's a type 1 diabetic who is also an engineer and then later obtained a medical degree. His plan is geared toward perfect blood sugar, with weight loss being a side benefit. But his plan also maintains an ideal weight.

It is, in its simplest form: 6 grams of carbs at breakfast, 12 at lunch and 12 at dinner. He's not big on lots of snacks. He also has a formula for how much protein you should eat daily based on your weight or your goal weight. If you find you're trying to lose weight and you're not, he has you reduce the protein just a bit. It was in his book that I'd first read the statement that eating fat doesn't make you fat. Radical! I mean, most of us were raised to believe that fat is the enemy, right?

I don't know much about Atkins other than it's a low carb diet. I don't like that Atkins has so many junk-food products; Bernstein doesn't sell any products but does list some supplements he believes in, but again, he doesn't market them. The only thing I don't like about Bernstein's belief is that he doesn't embrace insulin pumping. He likes injections, but he's been doing that for many years, so I kinda' think of him as an old dog who doesn't want to learn new tricks. Now in his current thinking, he may have changed his tune; I'm familiar with his book and embraced his plan back in 1999.

Valerie
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February 2013: NEW GOAL! I've lost 60 pounds to date, so it's time to kick these last few to the curb!


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2/12/13 11:36 A

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Valerie,
I'm curious, do you have any statistics on what percentage of diabetics have tried a low-carb diet? If the number is very small that may be mostly because so many official channels of information still speak against it or at least don't offer it as an alternative. People have been trained for centuries to listen to their doctor.

Birgit

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Hi. If you go on to your library site, and they show it as an ebook, you can get it on your computer for 2 weeks. Copy what you need.

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I don't know Bernstein but from your description it sounds like you can eat all the fat and protein you want. With Atkins it is not recommended to eat unlimited protein, only unlimited fat if I remember and even that should be based on actual hunger, not on emotional eating. You can still overeat on Atkins.
One thing I find extremely important to mention regardless of which low-carb way of eating is chosen:
To make it easily sustainable in the long run carbs need to be at least under 50 grams/day, for many people as low as 20 grams/day initially, which is what Atkins recommends. It is only when carbs go this low that you get the benefit of not feeling hungry after the first week or so when the carb cravings go away.
Many people claim that they are not addicted to carbs, that it is rather cultural habits (we have always eaten bread, pasta) that are hard to break. If that is indeed the case you should have no trouble substituting grain-based flours with nut or coconut-based flours to make the same things you ate before: pasta, bread and pizza.
It is actually much more difficult for most people to eat moderately low carbs (50-150 grams/day) in spite of the fact that this gives you more food options (more fruit, some sweeteners).
If you go very low carb and high fat (about 75-80% fat, 15%protein and just a very few carbs from veggies your body is satisfied, often with just two meals a day.

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2/12/13 10:59 A

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I had not heard of this particular book. I had the first of Adkins books long before I got diabetes. It sounds a lot like what people on another list I am on use for their diets, but they use Bernstein. The one person was saying that you eat really low carb (like 30g a day or less) and can eat all the protein and fat you want. I haven't tried going that low carb since I used the Adkins, but keep lower than what the Sparkpeople recommended is most of the time. And this week I have lost quite a few pounds, finally.

Can you tell me how much different this Adkins book is than Bernsteins or the earlier Adkins book? I could only look for it at the library and I doubt the one by me has it.

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Sweet or salty . . . both light up the same area of the brain as lights up in a sustance addict! I found that to be astounding, but the fact is, it really IS an addiction, and a difficult one @ that.

Food in general, is difficult as an addiction because you can't cut it out of your life and you're surrounded by it daily! Difficult. Takes lots of sterngth and support to "stay the path". And the beginning has to be within you to have the determination to do whatever needs doing.



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2/12/13 9:52 A

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Russell, several of us agree with you 100% and have personally experienced the immediate results that occur when you stop giving a diabetic body sugar aka carbs.

But for some, try to take away that bread or pasta, and watch out! There are people who simply can't--and won't--imagine a life without carbs. That's how strong the addiction is.

I agree that the solution seems so easy and logical but the fact that such a small percentage of diabetics choose to live a low-carb way of life speaks to how difficult it is for some to embrace.



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I too have had success w/low carbing . . . not NO carbing . .. low carbing It certainly is worth at least trying!

Thanks for sharing the information and your experience with it.

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Thank You Russel...After reading this thread, I went and bought the book on Abe Books for 1.00 + 2.95 shipping.
Can't wait to get it !!!

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Thank you, i will definitely look into getting this book.

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Anybody read this book? I am just now reading it. It is like reading how low carb affected me. Within a year I was off all meds, and been off them for almost 3 years now. Most of the people end up around 5.5 A1C. Mine is 5.2-5.4

I can explain what it did for me, but if you are skeptical, I would recommend reading this book. I believe that low carb can get most people completely off meds. Even some of his patients got off Insulin, which I was told was impossible.

I find it odd to see so many people struggling with the disease, who are afraid to try low carb for just 2 weeks. If you do it properly, your blood sugars should be stable by then. Mine was around 90 in 2 weeks. I started having low blood sugars after 3 months, and after 2 reductions in pills, they finally took me off the meds.

You don't need to live with unstable blood sugars.

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