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5/18/14 10:59 A

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ADELCASALE: I know you have an old post, and I am not sure if you are even still doing the plan or checking back to the posts - but I reacted to goat cheese as well and had an almost exact response! (FULL/bloat/tired...2 pound gain the next day!) Did you react to sheep's milk or cow's milk cheeses?


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I reacted to the rice and chicken combo, arg! Love rice and chicken! Passed separately however. Needed to, out of convenience move off the plan, not by much, for 3 meals and gained 2 pounds! What an eye opener. I just hope it's not another 4 days to lose the 2 pounds because that translates to me, not testing new foods for days.......but, the good thing? I am able to see clearly how this works. Darn if I can't explain it well enough to others to see the rationale.....:)

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3/12/13 7:59 A

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I'm so sorry to hear that about the goat cheese! I didn't react to goat or sheep's milk cheeses, but did to the cow's milk cheese. I hope one of them works for you!

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I had a nearly immediate reaction to goat cheese today on day 4. Within 45 minutes, my stomach was gurgling, the bloat was incredible, at 3 PM - I could have laid my head down and gone to sleep.

Anticipating an unfavorable response from the scale in the AM.

Anyone else have a strong reaction to goat cheese?

Wondering what it will be like with the Manchego cheese.

March 12th:
An update...I still had a .8 lb weight loss but given how I reacted, I don't think I am going to opt to have goat cheese any time soon. Today's is Manchego. let's hope for the best

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I think I did test them separately, but if the half and half doesn't work, I'll go back. But if I remember I had chicken early on with no issues and rice with kale early on and all was ok. It's like being on a treasure hunt, every little combo could have an impact. Thanks for the ideas though I'll give it a try if the half and half elimination doesn't help.

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Hey Nancy,

Have you tested the rice and chicken in one meal? LG says it is a test when you have animal protein and rice or pasta or potato (any dense carb) in one meal. If you pass the test for chicken and pass the test for rice, you still might not pass on both in a meal.

If the half and half doesn't work for you, you might try the canned coconut milk or the Silk coconut milk in your coffee.

Let us know what you learn.
Wishing you the best.

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Hi Nancy!

Did you test the rice and animal protein in the same meal as a test? (see page 156)
If you didn't test them as a combo. you might want to clean test the chicken and rice combo, if you are leaning on that as a basis for meals.

good luck!




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I've been on TP for 13 days and am stalling. Did well the first 4 days lost 3.6 lbs, then gained on goat cheese, lost some, gained on rye, etc. so my net loss over the 13 days is 4.4.lbs. I was just wondering if my stalling is due to the half and half I've been using in my coffee, so I'll cut that out tomorrow--could be if I'm reactive to goat cheese I guess.

I wish I were losing faster, but frankly I FEEL so much better that it doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. Before I was tired all the time, sinus headaches, depressed, yadda yadda yadda. Now I feel my mood is much better and I have more energy and I"m not constipated all the time (thank you flax!) Part of the reason for the big change is I was eating very poorly before--never cooked, just grabbed whatever was around. So following the plan has been a 180 for me. I know I won't keep it up as strictly,so am working on how to make it easier. Like I always have a box of salad greens, dried cranberries and avocados around to make a salad, and I bought costco chicken breasts (probably not organic) and have a rice cooker so eat chicken and rice often or stir fry.

I do hope that cutting out dairy helps me lose weight, because let's face it that's what I really want, but in the meantime I'll keep it up--just passed beef and wheat--so hamburgers this summer!

Oh and I found I still have sugar cravings and too much stress so just added SAM-e and L-glutamine, which I think will be good for me.

thanks for hearing me out!

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3/6/13 7:03 P

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JF

Had that for breakfast this morning and day before yesterday. Trying to eat it only twice a week as per LG's postings. Alternating with Blueberry pear chia compote or Blueberry apple chia compote.

Need to test more breakfast items. Seemed to have failed on Arrowhead Mills hot rice cereal (Rice and Shine) and on Barbara's Honey Puffins rice cereal both are usually safe according to LG.

I think it may be the lack of water because I am definitely getting lots of fiber!

Love your input. Thanks for caring and the suggestions/questions.

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@Lib

Are you eating the flax granola? That seems to keep my system going more often than before TP...that and more "roughage" as my Mom used to say.

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Raw spinach is reactive for many people with thyroid issues. Cooked spinach is less reactive for most.

I seem to do well on goat cheese and sheep's milk cheese (manchego). I prefer the more firm goat's milk cheese over the soft ones. I haven't tried cheese from cow's mik yet.

My weight has been all over the place, bouncing around 138. It is not holding steady. So I keep trying to evaluate everything I have done since I started on January 12th to see what is causing my crazy results.

After reading several posts here, I have decided that, even though it is technically Winter and we were in our Winter monsoon season here in Phoenix in January, I may have been shorting myself on water. Yes, in a dry climate, she says you need to add more water. Since it wasn't summer yet, I thought I would not need to add more H2O until the higher temperatures settle in. Wrong. I think I have been under-hydrated from the beginning. Ugh. More water.

Last weekend, I thought it might simply be that I was not testing my BBT on a daily basis (thinking that I was not in need of the thyroid menu because I was 97.1 for 2 days at the beginning of The Plan), but then decided to test and found that even during a hot flash, my BBT was often well under 97F each morning. Yikes!

I started taking the B12 liquid on Saturday and using the Maine Coast Sea Seasonings Kelp and Dulse the same day. I still need to order or buy the NOW Kelp supplement.

However, it is very likely that the goitrogenic foods she leaves out of the Thyroid menu (spinach, arugula, etc.) may work just fine for me. Well, I think spinach and kale work for me (but plan to test both sauteed and raw version in varying amounts), but am not sure about the arugula. I just didn't track my progress as closely as I need to since my weight has not been cooperating.

TMI warning: My system does not evacuate daily and never has in my life. Once or twice a week has been normal for me.

Therefore, I am embarking on a new trial - WATER!

Starting today, I plan to add an extra 8oz to my water intake to see if that helps.

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3/5/13 8:22 P

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Thanks JinxII.

I will try that. I sure hope I can have cheese. I love it.

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Happy to help, Lib!

Amena-I would redo the day and only add one of those items at a time.. but my first guess would be the goat cheese. Quite a few of us have reacted to it! I'm actually looking for buffalo mozzarella to test since I've failed cow dairy and goat cheese but it's seasonal around here. I miss cheese :(

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Hi Everyone,

I have a question. On Day 4 we added in spinach, goat cheese and mangos.
So this morning (Day 5) I was up .4 lbs - so how do I know which new food I was reacting to?

I went ahead and put goat cheese on my salad and thought tomorrow if I am up again, then it would be the goat chesse. What do you all think?



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No prob! Glad I could help!

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Thanks for the tips on cooking wild caught white fish (wild atlantic cod and wild chilean sea bass), Jinxii!

I have never been a fish eater or seafood eater with just a few exceptions. As a kid, I loved Mrs. Paul's fish sticks (loved the crunchy breading), later learned to enjoy the fish fillets (again, because of the breading). When McDonald's came to town I loved their fish sandwich for years. As an adult, I learned that I really loved salmon. Haven't tested salmon yet on The Plan. Hope that will be nonreactive.

Since I passed both cod and sea bass, I will put them into my protein rotations and cook them according to your suggestions. Actually sounds delicious!





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@ Janie-May

let me start by saying that I am not trying to hurt your feelings or be unkind,
I am trying to be helpful.

IMHO

your first weigh-in, at the same time as usual, is your Data.
the second weigh-in is interesting.

If you use your Data, you are mildly reactive to the food you tested the day before, IF there were no other circumstances to skew your Data. (you drank your water, no other new foods, etc.)

If you go forward with that food as non-reactive, you might want to remember that it may have been reactive if you start to have problems with your weight staying the same over days, etc, in the future and take that food out of your diet and retest it.

This is a big personal science experiment - and seems to work the best if you follow the protocol.

Personally, when a food is borderline, I take it out of the rotation and plan to retest it, because I don't want to have to retest a bunch of foods that come after, if things go awry.

I sincerely wish you all the best in your journey/experiment!

jF



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I think the only tests I got a straitforward negative answer on was whole wheat bread and eggs. - I failed both.

I slipped in a Babybel - light cheese one day at lunch even though I wasn't supposed to and I managed to pass the test. So I am able to add one to my lunch every day with no reaction. This is great since I possibly failed the goat cheese test - it was one of those days with too many variable. I hate the taste of goat cheese, so I won't even bother retesting.

I can also have regular white button mushrooms, which I ate my mistake at dinner one night. - no reaction.

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@Janie-May

If you stall out after this, I would just reconsider removing and then retesting the food from yesterday. Make a note for yourself, just in case. That should work!

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I didn't sleep all day - only until 9:30. I ate all my meals and drank all my water. Saturday is the only day I can sleep a little late.

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@ SashaDee emoticon

thanks for the reply.
I made a batch of the Carrot Ginger Soup with a dollop of canned coconut milk and I liked it better. We decided to put Sriracha on the table so that we could use it to taste,
as Hubby likes Spicy Hot! emoticon and I just like mildly warm.

He said he liked it better this way! and so did I! thanks!




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@ Java

I use canned coconut milk. I used fresh squeezed juice from an orange and not orange juice. I think packaged OJ is a test. I found a recipe in the cookbook for orange tarragon Arctic Char that uses fresh orange juice and we use orange zest in the orange oil so I figured itt was friendly.

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SashaDee - I have 2 questions about recipes you posted below:

1) In the Carrot Ginger Soup adaptation - are you saying canned coconut milk or Silk coconut milk beverage. Because you said "dollop" I assume the canned (I would think either would work, but maybe the canned would be more creamy...)

2) In marinating the fish - wouldn't orange juice be a test before this recipe, since orange juice in itself is possibly 70% reactive? What are your thoughts on that? And since we have tested okay for lemon juice would that work okay?

Thank you much!

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um - JANIE-MAY - I've been meaning to look into this myself, but I believe we are supposed to be weighing at the same time each day, as much as possible.

When the same thing played out for Hubby - we decided to retest that food.

Here's my thinking as to why - if you had slept all day, without eating or drinking, you would probably weigh even less at 11pm and that would probably skew your results.

just my thoughts on it....

best of luck!

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I had a non-reactive surprise this morning. I am used to getting up early to be at work at 7:30 so I woke up at my usual time and weighed. I did day 16 yesterday and tested 2 proteins in one day. I had only lost .2 lb and instead of eating breakfast and drinking my water I decided to go back to bed. After a couple more hours of sleep I weighed again and instead of being down .2 lb I was down .7 lb! I didn't react at all.

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You're welcome! Let me know how it all turns out

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Thanks to Jinxii and SashaDee for 2 ways to try to get fish done right!! emoticon emoticon

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Thanks SashaDee! I think I am gonna make a new batch of Carrot Ginger Soup tomorrow using your guidance!



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How I got the carrot ginger soup to be tasty:

Loads (by loads I mean more than you would think to season since there's no salt) of cumin, garlic, ginger and a squeeze of Sriracha. I think I also but a dollop of canned coconut milk in there for a bit of creaminess. Im not big on carrots but It was pretty good.

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I'm reactive to chicken and shiitake mushrooms.

Here's how I cook the white fish:

Defrost frozen fish in the plastic bag in a bowl of water in the sink.
After defrosting remove from bag and dry the fish filets.
Marinate them in the refrigerator in juice from a fresh orange, olive oil and whatever spices you like for about an hour or two. The citrus in the orange juice should start to cook the filets. (like it does in ceviche).
Preheat oven to 350 and put fish in oven for 5 - 10 minutes.
TADA!!! Dinner!

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Here is absolutely the easiest way to cook white fish.. especially sea bass.

#1. DONT defrost it in the microwave. Do it in a sealed bag in water, or in the fridge. You might be surprised at how quick it will defrost in water. Nuking a fish is never a good idea and probably why it's turning rubbery on you.

#2. Heat up olive oil to just below smoke point. (Medium temp on my gas stove)

#3. Sprinkle some salt and pepper, a bit of oregano if you like it onto the fish. Or whatever herbs you have on hand. Fresh is best, dried will do just fine too though.

#4. Toss that fish in the pan and don't touch until it looks about half cooked. You want it to get a nice sear and if you move it, it won't sear properly. Keep an eye on it and if you see it smoking a bit, or looking like it's getting burnt turn your heat down a bit.

#5. Flip it over when it's halfway cooked.

#6. Once it's done through it will flake easily when you poke it with a fork and just about fall apart. At this point squeeze some fresh lemon juice over it and let it cook for just a couple seconds more until it has absorbed the lemon. It should take about 10 minutes total from start to finish if it's a thin fillet, or 20 min. for a thick chunk of bass.



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When I try to cook the wild caught chilean sea bass or wild alaskan cod, they come out like rubber! Help! What am I doing wrong? I will admit that I have not thawed them in the fridge or under water before cooking and defrosting in the microwave doesn't seem to work either.

I can nuke salmon with herbs and it comes out delicious. Haven't tried salmon yet since starting The Plan, but why doesn't the white fish cook the same way when it is supposed to be an oily fish like salmon?

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My husband and i both gained a pound from wheat. Experienced 20+ days on the Plan folks with a wheat reaction, did you test again? Are you limiting wheat bread? Etc


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BLKLILY-I wasn't really testing, just eating whatever my husband wanted for breakfast since we're taking a break while he's on vacation. I just happened to notice right away that they didn't agree with me. It was whole egg, which I actually don't like. I much prefer just egg whites so hopefully they will work for me!

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I've tried all different spices in the carrot-ginger soup but have yet to pinpoint the best. After Day 3, I believe you can use sea salt and that definitely makes a difference!

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I had a reaction to the dark chocolate on day 4. My mouth got dry, my cheeks felt like they were burning and raw a bit, my tongue had bumps on it as if id eaten too much sugar. I wonder if anyone on the planet had this issue lol

Ive eaten dark chocolate for years no problem so its odd to me

Cindi or anyone else that makes carrot ginger soup: if anyone can get the soup to taste somewhat okay can you let me know what seasonings you rely on for it?

Todays test is the rye cracker


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Cindi you are right about the soup and it leaves extra fluids on you over night from what I understand sorry can't help more than that. Good luck on eating that soup and sorry about your injury. I had a coach and my experience was not worth what I paid. Maybe yours will be better with the same or different coach if you ever get one. I am thoroughly disappointed.

I can simplify my life and lighten my burdens by deciding realistically what I want to do and what I have time to do. (~_^)


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Hello Jinx, did you test the entire egg? Test egg whites and if they fail so does the entire egg.

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Hello Betty, I follow the winter menu so I did not have that menu for day 4. However, was rice on it? Did you drink the correct amount of water?

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I'm taking a one week break while my husband is on vacation, but I ate eggs this morning and knew instantly I shouldn't be eating them! Insta-bloat, burping, just generally didn't feel well!

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Lily, you mentioned not having soup for dinner. I had read on the website that it causes weight stabilization, but do you know the chemistry behind it, because it's really baffling me!

Just as an update, I've gone off-plan a couple of days this week, and am trying to redo some friendly days, but I've injured my back--I'm sure there's inflammation, so this is likely affecting my progress. In the meantime, I've been trying to eat a lot of the ginger-carrot soup and turmeric.

Betty, you are right; I'm following the book menu as well, and chicken with mango-cucumber salsa was the Day 4 dinner. I don't have many answers for you beyond Lily's good advice, but also check to see if rice was on the menu. I remember being sad that it was only listed on Day 2. I, too, was initially frustrated by unclear 'signs' --so frustrating when you are hoping for clear answers! However, I've just decided to adopt a more zen attitude so when I hit those bumps, I can shake it off and not get discouraged. I think without a coach, and I'm not in the position right now to spend that kind of money, it is bound to be a longer process with more questions. I'm into Day 20 (but not really) and let me tell you, I have not added very much to my repertoire--so you are sure to be more successful than I have been thus far and I'm still plugging away, so don't get discouraged!

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I know there were a lot of variables, but I followed the menu for adding new things. The chicken had the mango and cucumber salsa for today, so I had to use it. Unless I am not following the book properly. Day 4 says Chicken with mango and cucumber salsa! Ugg... And today's menu also calls for chocolate.

Maybe I am reacting to the chocolate itself, despite the almonds.



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JoBetty - you ate a lot of variables in one day which is not recommended; sorry. Soup should not be eaten at dinner but at lunch only. If you tested negative to almonds then it should not have been an issue in the chocolate. Mango and cucumbers are tests within themselves so again, you have to test a new variable on it's own.

So, if you had goat cheese prior to today and it was not reactive then you could have tested either the mango or cucumber for lunch. Then for dinner, kept it friendly with your friendly protein, spring greens w/ pumpkin seeds and a cooked veggie.

Did you pass the rice test? Like, you put a lot of variables so it definitely has sent your body into shock after completing days 1-3...sorry! And, it is confusing so you are NOT alone! I use a consultant so that is only why I know what I do now...

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Today was Day 4 and I had a reaction but I am not sure what the reaction was too. I was testing Goat Cheese (cheddar) at lunch and I felt great after. It was only after I ate dinner that I felt bloated, burping and a slightly sore throat. So far on the program I have felt awesome so the reaction was noticeable.

Snack of carrot and almond butter at 4:30

What I ate for dinner at 5:00:
4 oz chicken - did not react yesterday
1/4 cup of brown rice - no previous reaction
1 cup of spicy veg soup - no previous reaction
sping greens with pumpkin seeds - no previous reaction
chopped up mangos and cucumber
1 oz of dark choc (had honey and almonds in it)

How am I supposed to know what caused the reaction??
These are my options:
-Goat cheese for lunch but felt great after lunch
-almond butter
-mango or cucumber
-dark chocolate

This is so confusing...

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Yes, it is a lot to remember and is becoming intimidating for me. I write a lot of it down but still find it frustrating. I am getting so confused but am taking a step back to recoup. I asked and retesting can be done in 3 months instead of 6. So, if you failed the goat cheese, try it again in 3 months. Or, you can eat cheese on its own day once a week followed by a friendly day - hope this helps!

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This is day four. Its been interesting to read this thread. Im nervous about seeing what im reactive too. All of a sudden it seems like so much to remember.

So if today for instance i test reactive to goat cheese i can go back to day 2 meals or should i press on and test it again later? It seems i remember in the book about not re-testing for 6 months. Ill have to look that up

Im still green to all this information. Seems all i think about is food! And i cant keep my nose out of the book afraid im gonna miss something

BUT...so far im 6.5 pounds down so im happy

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Green beans passed - yay! I am so happy you all. I plan to retest white ground turkey, poppyseed orange crackers and potato chips. I want to test cornbeef this weekend. I have only 1 protein and it is getting old; real old :(

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Hi All"
my reactive foods: Brussels sprouts, eggs, tofu and...bread (sob). I've tried pita, whole wheat, regular white. Weight gain every time. and it doesn't take much. Oh well. And dont get me started on ANY processed meat--bacon, hot dogs--even a bite and it is reactive. But I am more surprised at what isn't reactive: Cheese and Wine! Hooray!
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Hey Cindi...it was Jinx about the fish being expensive lol

I am in the same chicken rut as you and hate it. So, what I have done is switched to boneless and skinless chicken thighs. It is way better. I think it is just chicken breast I hate more than anything. Again, I found ground "white" Turkey and am hoping this will work. I will test next week (fingers crossed).

What I love about the Plan is losing weight - I won't lie. I think as my food choices increase, I will "love" the Plan.

As far as retesting cheese - anything that is reactive now has the potential of either being non-reactive or still reactive later. If cheese is still reactive after I am closer to my goal weight, I will eat it but once a week. Because of the Plan, I am that more cognizant of cheese being a reactor.

The Plan has truly allowed me to know that I do NOT have to stop eating anything I love forever but when I can have it. I think that is "healthy" in itself. Who needs a diet over consumed with cheese? ME...I thought I did but not any more.

I have not had bread or cheese since I tested them on the Plan - weeks ago. I have not missed them like I thought I would. I guess I have been too busy and focused on getting MY Plan for "now" together and accepting that everything else will fall into place.

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My brother in law is actually a commercial fisherman with his own boat, so when he comes in I get fresh tuna and crab which is awesome.. I'm right on the coast so I am lucky that I can always find fresh fish. I tried some rock cod which I don't think I'd ever had before tonight and it was good too. The bass was better, but the cod was much more economical! Sea bass was $20 for one dinner for two, the rock cod was at least five dinners for two.. same price.

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Hey--the page loaded; better write while I can. Thanks for the feedback on the Indian Spice Rub. If I use it, I'll use it with caution. Lily, I know what you mean about fish being so expensive. We (as a planet) are not fishing responsibly or sustainably even though we know many species are endangered. I can't know, here in land-locked Beijing, whether the fish is wild-caught or farmed, so I haven't been excited to test it. However, as I haven't retested eggs, I'm getting into a real chicken-sunflower seed-pumpkin seed-goat cheese rut, so I might just test what is here and see how I do.

I am so loving The Plan. I think it is changing the way I eat, yet still allowing me to be a normal person, participating fully in life!

Lily, I hope you can retest cheese at a later date and find it more friendly to you. I love cheese, too, and would be very sad to think I could never have it again.

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The Indian Spice Rub was not a good look at all. Instead I am using a Jerk dry rub and it is delicious.

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Wild caught sea bass.. passed with flying colors!! Lost 1.2 pounds today after bass dinner. And it tasted soooooooo good. Just a little olive oil in the pan, touch of salt and pepper, squeeze of lemon to finish. Fish is getting bloody expensive though.

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The Indian Spice Rub triggered an allergic reaction for me. Started to have difficulty breathing, so I don't think I'll try curry for a bit. Otherwise, it's been pork, chickpeas and cow's milk.

LOVE the kale and manchego cheese!

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Wheat test-failed :(

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*sigh* looks like goat cheese was reactive for me. I've always had tonsil issues and shortly after eating dinner with goat cheese on my salad, my throat is swollen and sore. After Day One my throat had felt better than ever before so I'm pretty sad. And I LOVE cheese. I wonder if it's going to be all dairy? When I was a kid I was lactose intolerant but we thought I grew out of it since I went back on milk around 9 years old and didn't puke from it anymore.

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Thanks Cindi, you are correct. I saw where Lyn-Genet said to repeat your non-reactive days for a day or 2 to give your body a chance to heal and then begin the re-test. It was either on Twitter or FB not sure. And yes, I'll have to do it one spice at a time to see which it is. Or it could be more than one for all I know. This truly is a remarkable plan. I love the fact that we are actually able to run our own personal little lab. And being able to hear everyone's experiences here on Spark is so so helpful.

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Yea! I finally found an internet connection fast enough to load this page! Thanks to all for your suggestions regarding my ambivalent reaction to Day 7. I know you are all right--I'm going to have to repeat and retest eggs at some point. I did have my 2 glasses of wine after dinner with friends and ate some goat cheese, and this morning I was up .2 lbs. I may be at my set point, but it still leaves me in the dark about which foods I'm reactive to.

So...I'm repeating Day 4 today, which was a very satisfying day for me and one which netted me a 1 lb weight loss. Then, if all goes well (I either lose or don't gain), I'll pick up on Day 8 tomorrow. Trial and error!

Lali, I haven't reacted to any spices, but based on my experience, I'd say you will have to re-do and re-test just as I am. Since Day 4 was good for you, I'd probably start there, and begin adding in the spices one by one on subsequent rest days. (That being said, I'm no expert.) Good luck and keep us posted!

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Hi I'm Lali and new to this group too. I've made it to day 4 but not without food reactions. Turns out it's either something in the Ginger Carrot Soup and/or the Spicy Coco Sauce which I totally love. Even with the reactive foods (rash and itching around the side of my face and nect!) I managed to lose 3 1/2 lbs by day 4 any way which is my first non-reactive day. Not sure whether I should start over and introduce the different spices separately or just re-do day 4 and continue re-testing. Has anyone else had problems with any spices?

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Hi Cindi and welcome! I tested reactive to eggs and was SO disappointed! I normally only eat fish and eggs as animal proteins so this really limits things, but the nuts and seeds seem to have a lot of protein and we get plenty of those! I hope you figure out which you are reactive to (and hope it's not eggs!)

Jinx, I guess the only way to tell is to re-test - it's a VERY slow process but you're doing great!!

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I'm only on Day Four, but I've been thinking about what to do if I'm not sure what fails a test. I've been thinking about it because I had almond butter for my snack today and didn't realize it was roasted instead of raw. I also had goat cheese so if the scale is up tomorrow I won't know why. I think I would repeat the day with only one of the possible offenders (in your case, maybe keep the veggies, skip the egg?) and see what happens. And then if that goes fine, you know it was the eggs.

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Hi, I'm new to this group and am on Day 7 of The Plan. I tested eggs (scrambled) yesterday and today I was up .8 lb and was slightly (only initially) constipated. It was also the first morning that I woke up not hungry and actually didn't eat breakfast for over an hour.

But also, last night's dinner was the roasted butternut squash with spinach (had to substitute--can't get kale where I live currently) and I accidentally roasted until really soft and sweet, so then I was thinking perhaps I ate too much of that, as the book cautions on roasted veggies.
(I had the squash left-overs for lunch just now and I am STUFFED and feel so thirsty, but it had no added salt...)

I was disappointed that it wasn't a clear cut 'yes' or 'no'. Or was it? Any comments will be appreciated!

PS Thanks for the tips about the wine after dinner. Tonight is my first night to indulge and I would have waited to have my extra water along with the wine had I not read this.

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I can dig it...chicken is not my go to all and most of us agree here on that lol

Try a white, wild caught fish on your next protein test. You can always test beef later as you loose more weight and if it remains reactive, you know then to eat is sparingly.

Key is, try to get 3 solid proteins you can rotate. Have you tried lamb?

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Same here Kozi, chips are reactive for me to. And, it could have been me wanting "normal" food that those darn salt-free chips tasted like manna from heaven lol I don't know but they did seem EXTRA delicious lol

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So day 8 was yesterday (bread) and I gained weight. I am getting very sad because I reacted to both steak and bread. Both are big parts of my family's diet. Usually eat bread every day and probably have beef 2-3 times a week. My family is eating beef tonight while I have chicken again (sigh). Tomorrow I am testing pork. If I react to that I'm going to cry. I need another protein source. I usually only eat chicken once a week because it's not my favorite unless its part of a dish and right now we are not combining meat with dense carbs.

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Wow, something so basic as an apple. I'm glad you found out really fast! If you weren't aware of the problem before, it might have caused you a lot more frustration.

I finally tried the unsalted potato chips yesterday and was surprised that they tasted so good! Utz brand and I didn't even miss the salt which is why I thought potato chips were so delicious. Unfortunately, they are reactive for me.
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I'm only on Day one but I knew the apple was going to be trouble. And it is. I have never gotten along with whole apples. Fresh apple juice is fine, bottled is not. Whole apple by itself is not okay. If it's a little bit of apple on a salad or something, it's fine. I have no idea why the whole apple hates me *sigh*

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You sure do understand Lily! I know you have your set of "icky" foods too! Funny how before this plan, we probably didn't think too much about foods and their taste, effects, etc.

And A, was whole grain bread a favorite of yours? I've only tested the rye crackers and an English muffin - both ok. I LOVE grainy breads though, so I'm putting it off for a while too.

We really are learning a lot, aren't we?!

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I understand Kozi.

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My surprise was wheat bread (whole wheat, not 7 grains or such.) Within 30 minutes after the slice of bread, I was miserable. Heartburn, sick to my stomach, yuck! Who knew?!

Fortunately, it did not derail my weight loss. Still loss 1.2 lbs, but I will avoid bread for a bit and perhaps test white bread at a later date.

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Somewhere down the line, I'll try them but the whites are like eating air to me ; - ) The next protein will be sashimi but not for a few days!

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Try egg whites.

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The whole egg - I poached - my favorite way to eat eggs.... well used to be!


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You ate whites or all the egg?

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Oh no - not eggs!!! I was really hoping eggs would be friendly, but it appears they aren't. Apparently eggs have a different protein than a chicken so one can be sensitive to the egg, but not the chicken. Sigh....

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emoticon me too. I wish the same for you too.

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Good instincts!! I hope tomorrow morning brings you a nice surprise!

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OMG... emoticon I did have my water after dinner. And, I was just thinking to myself today that I was going to drink all of my water then only drink the wine after dinner with chocolate. That was my thinking...lol

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Awww, don't give up on cheese just yet - maybe try the sheep's milk cheese? I've been following Lyn-Genet's comments on Facebook too and she states there (not so clearly in the book) NOT to drink water after dinner. Although the book says not after 7:30, she says not after dinner there. Red wine is ok with or after dinner since it helps digestion, but water will prolong it. I'm hoping maybe you had your water after dinner and that held up your digestion?

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Good day. This lady is singing the blues. The goat cheese did not go over or test well. Dinner was so good. I even had a glass of wine but the extra cup of water to compensate for that cup of wine plus the cheese was not settling well, my night ended in a bad stomach and headache. I cannot test cheese until I am closer to my goal weight :( so no cheese tonight on my salad...ugh!

I am not a happy camper today and feeling a bit down.

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Well I tested beef (organic, which I probably won't eat again but wanted to test) and wild white fish - both were ok!

The total screw-up on Sunday night took a good 3 days to get out of my system though, so now I'm back to the minus 6 lbs. Not liking the weight gain on reactive food days lasting so long and only going back down at a half pound per day rate. I was hoping the half pound PLUS the amount gained would be gone but it's not working that way for me. I can see why she comments about continuing to test foods since it would be easier to lose by just stopping the testing and eating what DOES help us lose weight.

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I can dig it. I am not big on beef or chicken at all. I love lamb and fish but am scared fish may be a reactionary food. I love cod, salmon and flounder.

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Eggs leave a metallic taste in my mouth. I'll eat an omelet that is more vegetable than egg. My favorite way to eat eggs is Tortilla Espanola. It's mostly potatoes and just enough egg to hold them together.

I decided to go with lamb. Since statistically ground lamb has the best results and the only kosher lamb I can get locally is lamb shank, I ordered it online and it should arrive Wednesday. Just in time to make dinner.

Prior to The Plan, my main non-vegetable sources of protein were fish (salmon, cod, haddock, seabass, etc), tofu, seitan and beans. I only would eat chicken or beef once each per week.

-GbL

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Hello GbL,

May I suggest going with the lamb.

I can simplify my life and lighten my burdens by deciding realistically what I want to do and what I have time to do. (~_^)


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1/21/13 8:48 A

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I have yet to test fish but failed scallops. There's no type of egg you like at all? I don't like scrambled but in an omelet, somehow it seems different. Let us know what works!

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I found that I too love the rye crackers. Not only spread with hummus, but with sunbutter was heavenly. I found my new comfort food!

So sad to had reacted to fish yesterday. :-(. Can't decide what protein to try next. I don't like eggs. I try to stay away from beef, but I'll eat bison. Since I am leaving on vacation next week, I want to see if I can find more protein at I can eat while traveling. I guess I could have grilled chicken every night, but that might get old really fast.

I tout about trying a different fish, but getting wild fish is a regional thing. I don't want to test a fish at home and then not be able to get it there. I know tilapia is popular, but it is extremely rare to find wild tilapia.

So I keep debating between beans and lamb. I am thinking that it is more likely that I can get non-marinated grilled lamb than I can find a non-reactive bean dish, besides hummus. I don't think I will just eat beans out of a can while the rest of family dines at a seaside restaurant.

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It definitely feels good to be non-reactive to something you thought you would be!!

I had scallops last night and am up a half pound. Ironic - a pescatarian allergic to seafood... sigh... Well that sure would explain my trouble getting the weight off!

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I seemed to be fine on rye which I was almost going to skip since I'm gluten sensitive. Just before eating my snack I'd texted my mom I was scared since I was so excited to actually be losing weight. Weighed myself this morning and was down 1 pound! Weighed myself 3 times to make sure my scale wasn't broken. That gives me a glimmer of hope for bread. I usually save it for spluge days and just expect to be bloated and icky. Even if it's just because the portion is so small, I'll take it. Something is better than nothing. And who would have thought I'd actually like the rye crackers?

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I'm wondering if anyone else has discovered their own reactive foods, or is surprised that something they thought would be reactive, is not.

The only thing for me so far is cow's milk cheese. Yesterday was bread day, which I am very surprised was not reactive for me!

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