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11/8/12 9:55 A

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LOL!
Oregon isn't exactly red but it's red enough I guess. Lots of liberal minded folks even in Portland are trading in their front lawns for veggies and their back yards for chickens. Glad I don't have to live in Portland though; I'm out about 20 miles in the burbs of the burbs.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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11/8/12 8:57 A

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Wow sounds really good! I wanted to raise pigs and chickens but apparently my landlord says were not zoned for that.... Would be awesome to raise your own food or hunt for it. Darn CA makes it so difficult sometimes. I need to move to a red state!

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11/6/12 6:23 P

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Thanks for that story Romona. I wish I had had experiences like that in my own family--I would have been stronger for it too. There were some neighbors on one side of us that raised chickens and butchered them. On the other side there were neighbors who raised rabbits and I watched them being dispatched. I was uncomfortable but I accepted it. So I've never been completely removed from this reality; just never had to get my own hands on it.

Actually, I'm not quite as "close" as your story depicts but maybe I'll get there sometime. I had someone else do the actual killing but being curious I watched. Now I'm not sure that was such a good idea as the image is still in my head and upsets me a bit. But I did do the choosing of the ducks and the transporting them. And I ate one. So that's as far as I've gotten and that feels like more than enough at the moment. I've spent some time in the duck yard today with my other 11 ducks. They are as happy and duck-ish as ever. Silly creatures and beautiful. I filled their little pond with fresh water and tossed a bunch of organic spinach into it. they went crazy nom nomming up the floating leaves. I do enjoy watching critters. My goat hung his head over the fence to watch too. Also my two big labs. They don't hassle the ducks at all, in fact the ducks follow them around--funny!

I hope your daughter gets some farm experience.

I did see Fly Away Home--sweet movie.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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11/6/12 10:49 A

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to you, Aniduck!

Your experience reminds me of the first chicken butchering we did after my Grandma passed (I was nine). Before that day, my Grandma weilded the ax, my mom and Aunt plucked feathers and gutted, and we kids pulled pin feathers and cleaned up the carnage. Now, someone else had to weild the ax, and nobody was too anxious to assume the duty... add to that the grieving that comes with so obvious a reminder of our loss... well... we almost didn't eat chicken that winter. My mom gathered her strength and assumed ax duty. I remember growing taller in the midst of her leadership... I also remember how her hands trembled the rest of the day as she went about the work of making sure we ate well for the winter, and feeling really proud of my part in all of it (I also wonder if I would have the strength to do likewise... hence my admiration for you). Nothing about the work of providing our food was ever easy, but I think we are stronger and better people for having done it. I'm very proud of the fact that until I was in high school 90% of what we ate year 'round was a result of our own effort and produced on our own land.

Right around Thanksgiving this year (I'm Canadian) my daughter (who, coincidentally, is eight) started asking, "what animal are we eating for supper?" and I was so glad to be able to tell her my stories of butchering, and to be able to discuss exactly how animals become food for us. It is interesting to watch her respect for the food we are so blessed to receive grow with each conversation. One of my favourite memories throughout my childhood is my Uncle bringing home the baby chicks in Spring (how the car would be silent until we lifted the tops off the boxes when the cheeping would nearly deafen us, how soft and warm they were in my hands, how they smelled sort of like sunshine)... how I gathered eggs from these hens all summer... from the very same hens we would butcher and eat in the fall... and how I ate well all winter because of those birds... my respect for the cylce of life has never wavered. I feel it's a grace and a gift to be a direct part of the dance. I wish my daughter had more opportunity to be part of it in the same way I was... I'm currently looking for this sort of opportunity for her... a farm she can stay on for a time during the summer so she can milk cows and gather eggs (and get chased by onery roosters and aggitated geese) and even help with butchering... not so many small family farms around any more. We occasionally throw around the idea of backyard chickens for fresh eggs, but our city doesn't allow them.

If you have a whole new flock next Fall (and even if you don't), look up the movie 'Fly Away Home'... I think you'll really enjoy it!

Again, THANK YOU for sharing!

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ANIDUCK... you can post whatever you want to post, I was just expressing my thoughts as you were yours. I grew up in a family of hunters & gatherers. But I never liked it, and I never saw them slaughter anything. I would have rather had the animals as pets, and truth be told, prior to my diagnosis of breast cancer I was pretty much a vegetarian, but I can no longer eat soy products, and wheat gluten (seitan) is too expensive to buy.

Please know that I was not trying to make you feel guilty about doing what you need to do to survive and be healthy, that is your right. ... so I apologize if I offended you in any way, that was not my intent.

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ANIDUCK, thanks for sharing your Primal day with us! I agree completely that part of Primal and Paleo is experiencing as much as possible of hunting and gathering. We need to appreciate the "who" and "where" of what we choose eat. The more we learn the healthier we become.
Your duck story made me smile, both for your experience and for the memories of mallards from my youth. I hate living at a place where we are not allowed animals; so many areas are like that now.

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11/5/12 10:25 P

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Thank you RAMONA. I am sorry that someone here got offended by my post--that is a real surprise here on a Primal Lifestyle team. I was hoping for some encouragement for this wannabe farmer and you, Romona gave it to me.

Taking a life is never easy; or rarely easy. I had to remind myself through the whole process that I am a meat eater and that if this was really too hard then I should become a vegetarian. I'm not willing to do that. And just like you say Ramona, getting closer to where our food comes from and not expecting our meat to always show up in an impersonal way all wrapped and pretty, is a healthy thing to move closer to. I certainly didn't just jump right into this. This has taken a lot of self-talk and visiting with friends who are also living sustainably and close to their food. Step by step is okay. I've learned a lot.

I'm still a little shaken by all this but I know that I will become stronger as I just keep walking.

My son also came by today (coincidence) to bring me several packages of Elk meat from his hunt last week. I feel rich with all this fresh, wild-caught (my ducks are mallards) meat--no middleman stuff here today!

Most of my ducks are mallards that were given to me from a friend who didn't want them any more. I have decided to not clip their wings any more and let them fly away if they choose. They probably won't even attempt it until spring since Oregon is a common summer home for mallards and I put out organic poultry food to supplement their foraging. My fear is that they will go north when summer comes and then show back up in my back yard with all their kids and cousins in tow! If that happens I'll have to call the Game and Wildlife people 'cuz then, I think, it would be illegal to keep them. I don't want any more mallards anyway--they're quite wild and feisty...cute though; and the one drake I have is gorgeous!

And, thanks Laura, for your encouragement too!


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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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I grew up participating in the processes involved in growing/butchering/packaging all of our own meat... pigs, chickens, steers, lamb, and the occasional goose. I think the closer people are to their food source, and the more knowledgeable as to how something becomes food, the more empowered we are to feed ourselves responsibly... and, ultimately, the more accountable we become for how we choose to nourish our bodies. Paleo/Primal at it's best is not just a sanitized approach to better health and weight loss, it's an up close and personal journey into food production, viability, and sustainability.

Aniduck, I applaud you for the work and care that went into your duck feast, and I appreciate you sharing these details of your 'paleo/primal' journey. Thank you! I think it's important for people to hear first-hand that sustainable and clean food sources are possible and as close as our own back yards.

(I also don't think anyone should be required to censor their experience for the comfort of others.)

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I just had a dinner of fresh this morning killed duck from my own flock and some Brussels sprouts. Not only am I feeling VERY Paleo about this I'm also feeling emotionally drained.
The duck was very tasty the way I roasted it. It had a honey/molasses/orange juice/tamari sauce glaze. YUM!
4 ducks killed; 3 in the freezer and 1 in my belly...well not a whole duck but a nice portion. Even dh liked it.

My little flock is just a tiny bit smaller now and I am glad about that; I have too many ducks and they are a mess out there in the mud. They love this muddy, rainy weather. Me, not so much.
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