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11/4/12 8:54 P

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Yeah... for some people, low carb means anything under 200 grams. I would get so fat eating that many carbs everyday.

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11/4/12 8:29 P

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The funny thing is that on the low-carb forum there are people who eat a huge variety of carbs, too. As you said, it depends who you ask, and most people will tailor a diet to their needs after a while.
I remember that I was very happy with eating between 100-150 grams of carbs when I first read the Primal Blueprint and now I realize that both my weight and my blood sugar do much better with so much less so now 100 grams seems high to me. But then I know people who eat far fewer carbs than I do.
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11/4/12 7:45 P

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Thanks for your comment Birgit. While I agree that the SAD recommends a higher carb diet, I don't agree that 150 would be considered low carb because it would depend on who you are talking about. When carbs are calculated, even in the SAD, factors such as age, weight, ht, sex and physical activity have to be considered. For me, even when I reach my goal, I will not be able to eat 150 carbs per day to maintain, I would gain weight and this would not be considered low carb for me. The only way I could eat 150 or maybe more, would be to cycle my carbs daily.

My point really is that "depending" on what your goals are, weight loss, gain, maintenance, muscle buiidling, etc., that the Primal diet does not necessarily have to be a low carb diet. You can tailor the Primal diet to fit your needs. That's why I recommend that people refer to Mark's website and to read his books.



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Dee,
I would agree with everything except that a primal/paleo diet is not low-carb. Mark Sisson implies that any diet over 150 grams of carbs results in "insidiuous weight gain" for a significant percentage of the population.
Compared to the SAD (standard American diet) which usually has around 300 grams of carbs cutting down to 150 is low-carb, although on the high end of low-carb.
Within the low-carb spectrum there are big differences in individual metabolism and what people do well on. Ketosis happens for most people when they drop carbs under 50 grams but even this can vary quite a bit from one person to the next.
I would consider a ketogenic diet an ultra-low carb diet, which is yet again different from a no-carb diet. By that definition induction Atkins would be an ultra-low carb diet while maintenance Atkins may not be.
The reason it matters to me is that many people argue against a low-carb diet assuming that the definition is ketogenic or eve no carbs diet. Many of them will get huge improvements just from going as low as 150 grams of carbs/day and have virtually no restrictions that would bother them. Others, like me, will benefit far more to drop carbs much lower, but this can be a gradual process which makes it pain-free and easy to do so.

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My fat intake is currently around 50% of my calories. Some days it works and some days it doesn't. Funny enough... Since I like to do two days a week of really intense workouts (a Hiit workout followed by heavy weights), I make those higher carb days. On higher carb days I keep my fat intake fairly low. Well, lower than normal anyhow... carbs and fat don't seem to make a good weight loss plan when paired together. lol

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Starting and following a new diet/lifestyle is always a challenge and even more so when there are many schools of thought on the subject. On this forum we are focusing on the "Primal Blueprint" lifestyle created by Mark Sisson based in the "paleolithic way of living and eating. The conversions here should be based on the following:

- Primal eating

What the Primal/Paleo lifestyle is not:

1.) LOW CARB: It is important to remember that eating primal/paleo does not mean that it is automatically "low carb or ketogenic" or that it should be, but it can be. Carbs can be adjusted up or down depending on the goals one is trying to achieve, be it for health or fitness reasons.

NOTE: To help decide what "curve" you should follow for weight loss results, please refer to The Primal Blueprint Carbohydrate Curve" www.marksdailyapple.com/dial-in-your
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arb-count/#axzz2B8PA4T00


... please keep in mind that his is only an example, a starting point. Keep track of your progress and tweak up or down as needed.

2,) LOW FAT: Mark explains that Primal eating does mean a higher percentage of "good fats" such as:

- pastured/organic animal products
- avocados
- coconut products
- extra-virgin olive oil
- omega-3, either from fish or supplementation

www.marksdailyapple.com/mark-sisson-
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NOTE: It's important to remember here that all of us are different. I for one can't eat a really high fat diet and lose weight, even when eating low carb. I don't know why. But I do know that when I keep a moderate fat intake, I am able to lose... but that's just me. I am only noting this because this lifestyle aims for a "higher fat" intake, whether it will work for you will depend on how your body responds to it. Keep track of your progress and tweak accordingly.

3.) LOW PROTEIN/HIGH PROTEIN: Our protein needs depend on our age, size, and activity level... here is what Mark says about this:

"Most people donít need a ton of protein. If asked, I say I eat roughly 1 gram per pound of bodyweight, but itís not something Iím militant about and Iím no longer hitting the weights like I used to. I just eat to "satiety". Since itís a satiating macronutrient, I find thereís a natural, relatively organic limit to how much pure protein I even want. Lean chicken breasts? Iím lucky if I can get through a whole one. A nice juicy grass-fed ribeye festooned with fat? Iím licking the plate.

Other people will need more protein. Highly active athletes, Crossfitters, powerlifters, folks trying to gain mass and strength, folks trying to lose a bunch of weight Ė they all can benefit from an increased protein intake, either by increasing satiety (thus improving diet adherence) or providing amino acids for muscle recovery and repair. One gram or protein per pound of lean body mass is a good average number to shoot for over a range of a few days. www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-kidn
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NOTE: It is important that you outline your goals and then structure the nutritional part of it based on these goals and tweak as needed.

Please feel free to comment on this for an open discussion. ~ Dee emoticon



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