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9/14/12 2:24 P

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Melissa,

I'm sorry you're going through this. It wouldn't surprise me at all that it is detox taking that form and that it will go away with continuation on the program.

I am feeling MUCH MUCH better this morning, so I'd say I had a bout of detox. I'm sure it's not the last though...

It also ended with pain under my armpit, that went away today! As if my lymph system had to deal with something too!

I liked Ramona's advice and will look into her links.

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9/14/12 2:13 P

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Kittiestars, yes I do consume cream, butter, & some cheeses. I finally had a good night's sleep & the sob sessions are gone. It was nice to wake up with a smile on my face. I miss my low carb eating & have noticed some edema returning with the additon of carbs. Hope I can find a solution soon!!

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9/14/12 1:51 A

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Hi Ramona, Thanks for all the info! I must admit I'm having a hard digging in on fats after a lifetime (since the 60') of being told that fats are bad.

I am eating 12 mac nuts per day, some butter, some bacon, even chicken fat, but I can't believe I get to eat this stuff. I didn't lose any weight this week and I thought it might be that I ate a whole chicken over 3 days, including the skin, which used to be a no-no, but I take it is ok now? But maybe it's the carb flu, or maybe I'm not eating enough veggies (due to the carb flu I have had little energy to prepare correct meals the last 48 hrs).

Well, I'll keep at it. I am thinking I really have to plan on this plan, to make sure I get in plenty of veggies, because I'm not very hungry, and I'm tired and I'm letting the veggies go the last few days, but I know I need them.

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9/14/12 1:45 A

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Melissa, you don't mention dairy (milk, yogurt)....are you Paleo, not Primal?

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9/14/12 1:04 A

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I don't think it's the carb flu but I'm hoping it is an absorption problem. This would help me move forward rather than moving all the way back to the CCL (crappy carb life). I've got a few more things to research & will share the info as I find it.

My diet prior to moving to VLC has been rather healthy & I began to move to a higher level of fat intake prior to moving to VLC. My fats have been of the healthy variety (coconut oil, olive oil, macadamia nut oil, Kerrygold butter, etc). My carbs have also been of fresh or frozen veggies & fruits with preference given to local/organic varieties. Most of my protein actually comes from moose, fresh/frozen Alaskan salmon, local farm fresh eggs, & the occasional supermarket beef, pork, or chicken. I drink filtered well water & have eliminated all thinkable grains from my diet. Another factor that increases the likelihood of there being an absorption problem is my age - mid 50s & post menopausal.

I will try to reintroduce pancreatic enzymes to my diet in the hopes it will create a better absorption of protein. If you know or learn of more studies on this type of problem, please post it. I'm not giving up on it, I just need a better plan to transition without this problem. There is an answer, I know it - I just need to find it.

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9/13/12 11:36 P

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Hi, ladies!

I wish I could say I know how you feel (for empathy)... I never went through the carb flu... mostly because my diet was already very clean, whole, unprocessed, fairly low carb, and fairly high in fat.

The way to combat the carb flu, however, is fat, and lots of it. Want something sweet? Eat fat. Feel achy and tired? Eat Fat. Feel like you could eat everything in sight? Eat fat.

Fat you should eat? Bacon and eggs for breakfast. Lots of hard-cooked eggs for snacks. Almond butter. Coconut oil. Avocado. Nuts. Well-marbled meat. Keep the fat as high as you can get it for 2-3 weeks and you'll adjust more easily. Coconut oil is especially good for helping your body adjust.

My husband was a terrible carb-a-holic, and this is how he got through it (he ate his sweets at work and at lunch before joining me on the Primal bnadwagon).

You need to help your body move from surgar-burning to fat-burning, and it takes a week or three. Here are some threads/links that may help:

Metabolism and Ketosis
www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-
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d-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/

This article explains really well why/how healthy fat makes the transition to Paleo so much easier... and how coconut oil is a unique fat.

What Does It Mean to Be Fat-Adapted?
www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it
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ean-to-be-fat-adapted/#axzz22H0HXngl


What Does It Mean to Be Fat-Adapted? Part 2: Q&A
www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it
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ean-to-be-fat-adapted-part-2-qa/#ixzR>z22KB3rF5T


Guest Post by Modern Forager: The Tropical Oils
www.marksdailyapple.com/guest-post-b
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modern-forager-the-tropical-oils/#axR>zz24rEOr04v


You also get a really clear picture of how carbs figure into Primal eating (which is typically a bit higher carb than is Paleo) here:
www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succe
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More Fat Please
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Good Luck!


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KITTIESTARS's Photo KITTIESTARS Posts: 186
9/13/12 10:27 P

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Hi Melissa,

Maybe if you just made a few changes instead of the whole ball of wax the withdrawal symptoms would be less??

I used to get depression and crying every time I gave up dairy. This time I didn't give up dairy. I'm not drinking milk but I have some yogurt about every other day. And eat cheese every other day too. So maybe try adding dairy back, or just some? Oh, I just realized I have a latte every day so that is milk. He said you could do dairy if you don't go overboard. Paleo I think doesn't do dairy.

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I've just quit the 2nd try at going paleo/primal. This last time I made it only 4 days (10 my 1st try). I began to cry at the drop of a hat all the time as well as having some truly bizarre (disturbing) dreams & this last time I was having hours of sob sessions. I found some references to this at "Primal Body Primal Mind - Taming the Carb Monster" www.primalbody-primalmind.com/?p=428 , read down to paragraph 7. I'm looking into this because I really believe this is a healthier diet than anything else I've been on.

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KITTIESTARS's Photo KITTIESTARS Posts: 186
9/13/12 4:50 P

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I have felt so horrible the last 36 hrs. Thought I had the flu. Then I remembered diet changes can cause body detox. Just found this on the internet, and was much reassured:
http://www.paleoplan.com/2011/03-02/the-
dreaded-detox/

Funny because at lunch I felt so bad I was tempted to go get some SAD diet, but I couldn't bring myself to do it....bread looks yucky to me now.

So glad I found this link. Did any of you go through this?

My symptoms have been non-stop nausea, loss of appetite, fatigue, physical weakness, sweating. I didn't know WHAT was wrong with me for awhile....was getting seriously worried, but now I am reassured and will keep at it.

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