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7/21/13 9:09 A

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Well, my first "chim-in" after being gone two weeks, and what a great topic, Kelly!

The article was good and brought up something I'd never thought of: you can be vegan and not eat a single vegetable (with todays "fast food vegan" options!) How odd is that! But it's true. So sometimes when a person says they are vegan, it really doesn't mean that person is eating healthy.

I'm glad Kelly and Boni decided to make this group a "journey" and we are all on different paths on that journey. I'm still on the path "towards" becoming vegan, but not fully there yet. May not get there, but am on the path and hope to. That's why at first the article confused me. I mistook "plant based" for "plant strong". I'm "plant strong" at this point on my journey...meaning I don't always eat vegan, but do most of the time.

I go a lot by the Engine 2 Diet, which is plant strong. The author of it even admits himself that he's not perfect with it always. I guess I like that because some of us live in situations where we can't eat vegan "all" the time, but can most of the time. (And hope to eventually be eating vegan all the time.)

I'm glad how this group is helping us all to "focus" on how to eat the right way. Great article, Kelly!

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7/20/13 7:41 P

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K8, you're funny. Love the play between you and your coworkers.

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7/20/13 6:00 P

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This was a great article! Thanks for posting!

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7/20/13 2:42 P

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The comments below her article were, as usual, interesting. Hey, aren't non-meat-eaters supposed to be less angry? LOL! Not so much, I think!
I emailed all the coworkers I eat with that long list from PETA on what vegans can eat, so we could all have a good laugh over it. I think it helps them understand that I choose to be as careful as I am about what I eat, but you can still save animals' lives and eat "fun" foods if you choose to. I sent it with the comment: "Just look what vegans can eat! (And how unhealthy I'd be if I did!)" Some of them found things on the list they eat, so I've dubbed them "on the path." It's really a lot more fun now that they know what I COULD be eating. And I think they understand better the whole foods, plant-based choices I make.

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7/20/13 7:18 A

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That was a great article. I like to use the term "plant-based, whole food" way of eating. In fact I just updated my SparkPage a few minutes ago and used that term. I like it because I don't want people to think that I eat the "fake" cheese and meat that seems to be associated with the term vegetarian & vegan. Or people automatically think tofu which I've only eaten twice in my life. I think after reading the article, the term "plant-based, whole food" is the better way to explain what I am and what I'm doing. Either way, I don't think the general public completely understands what either term means, so there will always be a lot of explaining to do - which I don't mind doing.

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7/19/13 10:36 P

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7/19/13 7:59 P

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According to those definitions I'm a vegan but I call myself a vegetarian when it suits me as I think that term is still better understood in the wider population. For example I might ask in a restaurant for their vegetarian options without eggs or dairy.
We are entitled to be part of the definition process. I think 'plant-based diet' is wimpy and open to misinterpretation. It's not a term I use or would use.

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7/19/13 7:25 P

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I'm glad you posted the article, Kelly. It's good to be reminded of what other people mean when they the terms.

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7/19/13 4:48 P

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Shiva - I agree with you. I think that saying plant-based is more confusing than vegan.

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7/19/13 3:36 P

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Good explanation...but still, when I talk to people (and need to explain my diet, say, because I'm going to be having dinner with them) I still say I eat a super healthy vegan diet. I don't say plant based. Since those of us here need reminders of what the terms mean, imagine the confusion in the general community. My cousin and I were just talking about this and independently came to the same conclusion. If we tell someone we're plant based they'll insist up and down that the sauce or soup or whatever is plant based -- because it's mostly plants afterall -- and gee, that little dab of butter, lard, chicken stock or whateverszzz doesn't change that fact. Hmm. To me, when I say vegan it lets them know I'm serious about the whole thing and not going to take well to the tiny bits of (unrecognizable) chopped up pork thrown on for a garnish like their friend the flexitarian.


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7/19/13 12:43 P

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I like the way its explained in this article.

Actually I never knew what vegan was until after I had been eating this way for a long, long time. I began by following what my doctor always called a high fiber, low fat diet and he described it as one rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts, seeds, and legumes and it excludes, dairy, refined salt, and refined sugar. Well, that's a vegan diet really. He never called it that and I don't like labels either.

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7/19/13 12:16 P

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It is an excellent explanation. Thanks!

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I thought this was an interesting article explaining the difference between plant-based and vegan. I don't care for labels really but did like the way this was explained.

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