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2/7/13 9:13 A

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Beth - very interesting comment. Have you read the book Wheat Belly? It talks about how our grains have changed over the years. It's a very dry book but informative on that topic. There are several movements out there who advocate no grains.

I've also noticed in the past couple days that I eat more grains that I originally thought I did. When you look at what an actual serving size is I probably eat 2 servings for breakfast but not much after that. This is something I will monitor more closely in the coming weeks.

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2/7/13 9:05 A

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Your topic really sparked a lot of good discussion here, Jenni! Thanks for asking the question and I'm glad you were able to use some of the info. I've always thought that is what is so cool about Spark People--a person can ask a question and get so many different viewpoints and find out about some good books or websites, too, from other members. It's a win-win situation!

Best of luck with your program and I'm glad you are getting in so many fruits and veggies--that's always good!

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2/6/13 11:18 P

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Thanks everyone. That helped a lot. As I said, if I get the correct amount of fruits, vegetables, and beans I'm already getting in 1600-1700 calories and 240 grams of carbs. I'll be way over if I have to add in more grains too. I'm not going to worry so much about the grains then. I'm not even so comfortable about the way they make me feel.

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2/6/13 10:01 P

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Excellent point about how the grains of today -- especially what is widely and cheaply available in the U.S. -- are so much different than the ones our ancestors ate.

No question about it: it's complex issue because so little having to do with food in our culture is SIMPLE.

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2/6/13 8:06 P

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My health care practitioner told me that there is nothing in grains that you can't get from fruits and vegetables. They have plenty of carbohydrates and fiber.

Most grains have changed substantially within the last 100 years. My guess is that our bodies don't have the practice digesting these new starchier varieties which are now being grown.

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2/6/13 7:52 P

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Some facinating discussion going on here!

You are so right, Rheyn, about how even the experts are split on some of these issues.

I'm eager to check out the website you spoke of, Boni. Sounds like something I could use.

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2/6/13 6:20 P

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Good evening gang! No way could I eat that many servings ,my blood sugar would go thru the roof!! Diane

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2/6/13 11:41 A

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Even experts whom many of us respect and admire are split on the issue (McDougall vs. Fuhrman, for example), so it's no wonder that there's no consensus among laypeople. 5-6 servings of grains does seem like a stretch if you eat three big meals a day (unless you have a sandwich every time, lol -- hey, wait, that doesn't sound half bad!), but if you are more of a grazer, it's a realistic target, assuming you include one in each mini-meal.

Another thing to consider is the volume of food that works best for you. If you have a hard time meeting your basic caloric needs eating mostly produce and legumes because you just can't get that much stuff in your little body, maybe trade up for some more grains, nuts, and other concentrated sources of macronutrients. But if you prefer and are physically comfortable eating heaping plates full of food, focusing on whole grains is probably not an effective strategy if you're trying to get leaner.

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2/6/13 11:22 A

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Thanks!

Many people when they serve themselves grains, overdo the servings. 1/2 cup of brown rice is a small serving if you measure it, as is a small slice of bread. A sandwich is 2 servings of grains. A big bowl of oatmeal is usually 2 servings of grains. So measure carefully and you may just be overdoing it.

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2/6/13 10:28 A

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IMVEGAN: Go to www.pcrm.org
Click on Educational Literature
Click on Downloadable Publications and Fact Sheets
Click on General Nutrition
Click on The Four New Food Groups Handout

I have a copy taped to my fridge.

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2/6/13 9:51 A

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Boni, can you reference the part of the PCRM site where it says the exact portion guidelines? I looked last night and couldn't find it. I just found the plate and the plate explanation where it kind of talked against recommending exact amounts for anyone in that document.

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2/6/13 9:25 A

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For me personally I find that too many grains leave me feeling puffy. Grains are typically a filler, something to make you feel more full during meals. I don't find that I "need" them necessarily but I do crave them if I've had too much sugar in my diet.

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2/6/13 8:34 A

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According to www.pcrm.com (Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) you are to have 3 or more fruits a day, 2 or more legumes a day, 5 or more grains a day and 4 or more vegetables a day. A serving of grains is 1/2 c of hot cereal, 3/4 c dry cereal or 1 slice of bread. I try to follow this but if I'm cutting down on anything, like the others suggest, it's the grains.

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2/6/13 8:20 A

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I'm not a nutritionist, Kate, so I can't say for sure. All I know is that it isn't "us" who are saying you need grains, but the scientist and nutritionist of the world who do.

I mean at first I was thinking about what you said and i thought, "But you need your carbs!"...but then I thought, "No wait, beans and fruits have carbs!" But isn't it possible that the carbs in beans and fruits burn up quicker than those of grains and maybe the body is left wanting more fuel for energy, since carbs provide a lot of that? I don't know. I'm only guessing.

Those scientist and nutrtionist may have it all wrong--I mean they may "actually" have it all wrong. But that's the best info us "little people" have to go on, what they tell us the body needs.

I agree with the others that one has to let their own body determine how much grains (or whatever food) that it can "tolerate". Too many grains will result in weight gain, unless one is an olympic athelete who needs 10 servings of grain a day! Ha!

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2/6/13 7:24 A

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No one has convinced me that I need any grains. So I eat them infrequently. If anyone has a good reference for some nutrient in grains that is not in fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts and seeds, I'd be interested to hear of it.


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2/6/13 7:07 A

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That's a crazy amount of grains. I try to only eat a couple servings of grains per day.

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2/5/13 11:36 P

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Holy cow..... No..... not for me... I don't take these things too seriously... I just eat. PCRM (Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) Just says to get a healthy selection of all four groups and have variety. As long as you do you shouldn't worry so much about how much of this and how much of that. If you think about it a meal contains the proper ratios. Eat a nice salad. Then a meal of maybe a Indian bean and rice dish with some veggies in it. Then a fruit for dessert.

That meal would be about 1/2 veggies the rest shared between grains (rice), fruit and beans.. That is the ratio I try to keep in a day.

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I personally think you should have more servings of veggies than grains

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2/5/13 11:15 P

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So I was looking at the vegetarian four food groups. Apparantly it says you should have at least 3 serving of fruit, 3 serving of vegetables, 2 servings of beans and legumes, and 5 servings of grain. I'm just wondering if it's really necessary to have that many servings of grain. I'm having a really hard time getting it in. With the correct amounts of serving from the other 3 and two or three servings of grains I'm already getting between 1600-1700 calories.

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