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12/31/12 6:27 P

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12/31/12 6:18 P

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I'd recommend everyone stay clear of Australian nutters.

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12/31/12 4:49 P

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I've been thinking about Dr. Novick's report. He discounts the research done mainly because it was funded by Australian tree nutters. Not all the research was funded this way, and of the research that was -- certainly the information should be looked at more closely, since there's reason to believe there may be conflict of interest, but it should not be discounted out of hand. I tend to believe the information posted by Dr. Gregor. Especially because adding nuts was my only big change preceding the drop in my cholesterol AND I lost a small amount of weight (but with natural fluctuation I did not necessarily attribute that to the nuts -- but I did not gain weight.

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SHIVAMOON's Photo SHIVAMOON Posts: 2,788
12/31/12 2:56 A

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Bilby, I read your Dr. Novick thing ... and no, he clearly doesn't agree on the nut issue. Dr. McDougall is not that adamant. He just came out to lecture here locally and was urging all the different vegan lecturers/experts to be on the same team, to not put each other down for differences in this thing or that. I liked what someone said in the comment section at the end of Dr. Novick's message. The comment said, referring to nut consumption, that they be "... not something with which to entertain yourself." In other words, used for nutrition and fuel, not mindlessly munched on during your Friday night movie thriller. Good advice.

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12/31/12 2:39 A

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I'd probably use erythritol but the name is scary. And it's not available locally so I'd have to internet it. The idea of buying food ingredients by mail order seems a bit wacky to me seeing as I live in a city. Makes me feel fussy and elitist when I don't want to be.

Dr Novick points out how the nut industry has been sneaky in using research that wasn't about weight gain to 'prove' that nuts don't cause weight gain.

Tahini is useful for various things. It seems to give body to sauces, in the way that it gives body to hommous. I think Tahini Terry suits you, o Salad Viking. Usually what people 'like' in a salad dressing is some kind of fat to go with the wateryness of the raw ingredients. Using avocado or tahini instead of olive for example is just fat switching, but it's still fat. In order of being minimally processed I'd give 3 stars to avocado, 2 to tahini and 1 to cold pressed olive oil. Zero stars to any kind of salad dressing containing GM frankencanola and heaven knows what else. For a low fat option you go chayote or for a distracting zing which is where things like lemon, chile, zaatar and so on come in.

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12/31/12 2:39 A

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Hey Terry, the video you want is already available. Click on the nut link below. It will take you back to the nut video. Just to the right of the video block, you will see move videos that you can click on. The one you want is directly to the right, at the top.

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GENTLEVIKING's Photo GENTLEVIKING Posts: 3,798
12/31/12 1:48 A

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Also just watched one of his videos about a question I've often wondered: is caffinated tea dehydrating? I've always heard from the alternative health community that it "is" dehydrating, so I've tried to avoid it.

But the test taken pretty much blew that theory totally out of the water! (Pun intended! Ha!) It was such a simple test that it's hard to argue with the results!! Ha! To me that pretty much shows that the dehydration theory is one of alternative health's "old wives tales" and not true at all.

But what "could" be happening with the dehydration theory is the use of artificial sweeteners by folks to sweeten their tea, which I believe "can" make that very same tea dehydrating (at least some of them). I know for a fact that if I add Sweet N Low to a drink, it will have me running to the little boys room more than usual. (I never normally use it anymore, though.) So perhaps it's the sweetener that's really the enemy and not the tea itself.

I've yet to try the 100 percent erythritol (sp?) sweetener he recommends, though. It may be the best choice in sweeteners. The only way I've found it locally is in Truvia, which is a mixture of both erythritol and stevia.

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GENTLEVIKING's Photo GENTLEVIKING Posts: 3,798
12/31/12 1:26 A

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Just finished watching the nut video, Shiva, and you're right--it is very compelling!! Especially since so many studies were done and none of them resulted in weight gain from eating nuts, even when they doubled the serving amount. I'm eager to see his new video monday on the possible answer that he himself may have discovered!

Thanks for the link to his most popular videos, too!

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12/31/12 1:24 A

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Hey Terry,
Consider this, you've spent more than 10 minutes writing back and again asking us, who are not doctors and who have not reviewed mounds of research, our thoughts on the health effects of nuts. Why not watch the 10 minute video, see if it has anything in there for you and make up your own mind? Dr. Gregor isn't taking sides like someone rooting for their favorite football team. He's reviewing and reporting on research.

By the way, after I listened to a lecture by Dr. Fuhrman earlier this year claiming that nuts help to lower cholesterol, I added nuts to my diet. Guess what, my cholesterol lowered pretty significantly (and I was on a vegan, no added fat diet before that.)

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12/31/12 12:46 A

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Below is a link to Dr. Gregor's 10 most popular videos of the year.

The info in the nut video is very compelling, Terry. I recommend watching it.

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12/31/12 12:42 A

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I had not thought about that till you mentioned it, Shiva: I do drink almond milk regularly. So I'm probably getting my share of "good fats" that way. I have been buying the lowest calorie version, which is unsweetened Silk Pure Almond that only has 30 calories per serving...but just yesterday I was checking the fat amount and it's almost all fat (25 of the 30 calories come from fat). So that means it would be listed as almost one serving of fat in my diet tracker.

I've yet to watch the doctors video, so he may change my fears about fat when I do. I love hearing him speak!

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12/31/12 12:33 A

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Kelly and Boni: I had actually never heard of using avocado as a dressing base--I'll have to try that! And the salsa and hummus mix sounds good, too!

Alan: I should go by the name of "Tahini Terry"! Ha! Trouble is, I've never actually eaten Tahini before, believe it or not! Have not been able to find it locally until a few months ago, and it's very high priced. But I might have to get some and change my name to Tahini Terry! Hehe!

"Giant Flying Wombat Cheese"? Hehe! You are one crazy dude! I love it!

I know what you mean about getting addicted to a rich nut cheese. I sorta have been keeping my eye out for other lower fat ingredient alternatives for making cheese. But I've yet to watch the doctor's video, so I may change my mind after i do.




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12/30/12 11:48 P

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I'd stay away from fried nuts or even salted nuts. They're talking about plain raw nuts in moderation. When you make nut milks, you get a lot of milk using a relatively small amount of nuts. If you're gulping nut milk down by the glassful that might be going overboard, but if you just add some to a recipe, a salad dressing, that would be about perfect. Nuts and seeds (including tahini from sunflower seeds) are usually put into the same category because they are both high in fat but high in nutrients. You can use either.

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Tahini Terry. Sunflower seeds if you grind or blend them. Chayote squash (choko around these parts).
But in general the if amount of dressing in proportion to salad is modest I don't feel it matters too much. Anyone who is putting away large amounts of (vegan) salad regularly is on good wicket, methinks. Of course I've seen some dreadful salad-like-cardiobombs out there, particularly in fast food chains, containing bacon, croutons, chicken nuggets, feta cheese/blue cheese/giant flying wombat cheese and all sorts of added gunk. But drop a piece of cucumber in it and magically it's a salad!
Back to nuts. Actually the other day I sat down to read my late night mail, with a bowl of nuts on my lap, and here was this topic. Hmmm. Obviously I eat nuts. I'm wary about them. If a recipe has nuts in it I often try to work around them...I don't want to end up addicted to cashew cheese! Once a day snack and that's it, they get put away again. To avoid temptation I try not to have too many in the house!
I'm not convinced the good doctors are all the same page. Novick seems very anti. McDougall I know is against nuts because people tend to overeat them, especially when they are labelled 'good'. Celery's good too but the consequences of a binge aren't that great; not so the roasted macadmamias. That's his point.
In a general sense nuts are certainly food. All kinds of animals eat nuts. Nuts look like precisely the sort of thing a hunter gather might happen across and think, hmmm, this could be tasty. In that sense they're a better option in my opinion that wow-for-you, oven-baked, no-orangutans-killed, vegan-branded Yummy Bites that have 20 ingredients listed on the side of the box. They might be low-this and low-that but they're pseudo food.

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12/30/12 5:46 P

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I prefer avocado too Kelly and that suggestion by a team member to mix salsa and hummus has become a favourite with me.

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12/30/12 1:54 P

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Terry - avocado works for a nice creamy base in salad dressings. I don't eat a lot of tofu either so I try to find other things to use.

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Shiva, I had been wondering how to subscribe to Dr. Gregor videos--thanks for the link!

Yes, there is a lot of differing ideas. I wish we all knew for certain what the exact foods are that we should be eating and that there weren't all those grey areas.

But the trouble (at least for me) seems to come in when I start eliminating so many foods. For example, I don't like tofu in general, so if i want to make a creamy salad dressing--I can't use tofu as my base--and being vegan I certainly don't want to use dairy or cream. Whats my other choice. Well, soaked and blended nuts make a great creamy salad dressing. But if I have to elimate them also, whats next? I guess I could use blended beans as a base...but do they really offer as good of a taste or creaminess? And will beans be next on the bad foods list?

So it kinda gets crazy. You start feeling like you're running out of choices for food preparation.

I guess the old rule holds true: moderation in all things.

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12/29/12 5:21 P

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Ha, I was thinking of Dr. Barnard... but the same could be said for Dr. Novick. I've listened to his lectures on-line, too. They're basically on the same team.

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Yep, lots of controversy in the vegan world. Dr. Gregor is not saying to load up on nuts everyday, but saying that nuts add great health benefits and that a small amount added to the diet everyday will not derail you. By the way, I believe Dr. Gregor and Dr. Barnard have respect for each other's work. They're all basically on the same team, but with small differences in specific details. What Dr. Gregor does through these videos -- and he does not take pay for it -- is to review the latest research and report on the most significant and useful findings. He can not review or report everything, but tries to make videos on the things he believes will make the biggest difference in peoples' diets. The information in his videos is based on extensive research done by many various organizations. So you can use the information or not. It's there if you choose to learn from it, but yes, go looking and you will find other views that are probably backed up by other research. Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn believes nuts should NOT be part of a healthy diet for patients with severe heart problems. He wants fat to be almost nil.

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Every person is different. I function best on a low fat diet. On average, only 5% of my total calories are from fat and I feel amazing.

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Hard to know what's what isn't it? I still am addicted to peanut butter. My morning pre-walk fuel.

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I guess it just goes to show that if you find an article proving one thing you will find another dis-proving it.

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Dr Novick begs to differ and provides a long rant about the damning evidence to the contrary:
www.vegsource.com/news/2012/08/nuts-
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"If you want to lower your weight fast, get on a healthy plant-based diet and lose the high fat and calorie dense foods.
If you want to lower your cholesterol, don't fool around with nuts or any “super foods” – that's super nonsense. Eat a lower fat, whole food plant based diet."

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Great video. Thanks for posting.

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Thanks for the link. It is a VERY interesting site. Lots of great information.

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Here's a Dr. Gregor video (10 minutes) which talks about years of studies showing that eating nuts will either not cause weight gain or not cause the expected weight gain (given the amount of extra calories consumed), actually seems to reduce dangerous belly fat, and provides other protective benefits. I was thinking of you, Boni, because I know you love peanut butter (which he talks about) and had to post this.

By the way, if you'd like to receive Dr. Gregor's videos by e-mail, you can sign up through this link. I'm going to test the link now -- to make sure it works! Aloha

nutritionfacts.org/video/nuts-and-ob
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