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4/29/12 11:50 A

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"I think the more you eat something, the more you want to eat it. The longer you go without eating something, the more you don't want it."

That's some good wisdom there, Will! I need to remember that.

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4/27/12 4:06 P

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Something to be said about that - fat, salt and sugar - that's what makes everything taste good and have a good mouth feel. Food companies pay scientist a lot of money to come up with formulations that will work in their products to get people to buy more.

It would be quite fascinating if is wasn't so tragic



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4/26/12 9:55 P

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Eating behaviors are habit-forming, and some manufacuters put in preservatives to enhance the flavor to make you want the foods more. I've seen this as I've gotten out of the habit of eating all the wrong junk items. We do get into and out of the habit of eating foods. Food is addictive just like drugs and alcohol. Food goes to the brain.

For Lent this year, I gave up eating one of my favorite snack foods, real Kettle brand Kettle Chips (as opposed to Kettle Cooked chips...imposter Kettle Chips). These are one of the few chips that I eat since they only have potatoes, oil, and salt - without all the other preservatives and additives. So, I stopped eating them for Lent. When Lent was over, I didn't want them like I used to. I had a handful earlier this week for the first time since I stopped eating them before Lent and I didn't enjoy them the same. I think the more you eat something, the more you want to eat it. The longer you go without eating something, the more you don't want it.

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4/26/12 8:21 P

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I believe that we can be addicted to processed foods--believe it with all my heart! I could go on and on on this subject.

Edited by: QUEEN-EYDIE at: 4/26/2012 (20:22)
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4/26/12 3:16 P

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"and then there's the cruel reason that additives and sugars and the like are addictive and make people want the icecream/product more and moree"

Yes, I can't help but believe there is something to that. This isn't about ice cream, but back when I ate meat I became very addicted to Burger King burgers. (And I'm talking serously addicted, feeling like if that was all I ate, I'd be happy! And eating them up to three times a week!)

I kept asking myself, "Why Burger King? There are better burgers out there than their's?" But that seemed to be what I craved.

Now after leaving meat, I look at the whole thing in amazment! What was going on there...and why do I never think of them or crave them anymore? Was there really something in them causing me to do that?

Yeah, it makes one wonder.....


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4/26/12 4:56 A

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and then there's the cruel reason that additives and sugars and the like are addictive and make people want the icecream/product more and moree

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4/25/12 9:39 P

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"anything natural cannot be patented there for no money in it, same as supplements"

Makes sense, Mike. It's all about money, it seems.



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Hi Terri they put the crap in ice cream instead of natural because anything natural cannot be patented there for no money in it, same as supplements

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4/25/12 3:35 P

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I second Any Phyo's book - the trail mix cookies are one of my go to recipes for parties. I make them into balls instead of flat.



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4/25/12 12:35 P

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I use kale in my soy ice cream to make a yummy milk shake. I will try peas one day.

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4/25/12 9:33 A

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Terry, I really like "Ani's Raw Food Desserts" by Ani Phyo and I like the dessert recipes in Alissa Cohen's "Living On Live Food". Those are the first that spring to mind. I'll sparkmail you the recipe for raw brownies!

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4/25/12 9:14 A

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"Knowing this, I wonder why they put so much junk in the ice cream they sell in stores"

It's all about money, I figure. Corn syrup and artificial flavors are probably a lot cheaper than good, wholesome peas. Your pea ice cream is so much healthier and filling than theirs! (Speaking of which, I want to try it sometime with a banana added to it to see what happens!)

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Hi ToryMorris,
You'll be surprised -- you won't taste the peas at all. If you don't blend them well you might see little bits of green (a strong blender is best) -- I tried a bit of this -- like I said, I like to experiment. The flavor of the peas was still hardly noticeable, but the texture was a little lumpy. Once blended, the color will be dark brown. I bet most people would never guess how you made it. To tell you the truth, I once used a mix of frozen peas, corn and shredded carrots to blend up, and it made a pretty good ice cream, too. Knowing this, I wonder why they put so much junk in the ice cream they sell in stores.

Dr. Gregor is a really nice, approachable guy. He came into the restaurant in a baseball cap, wrinkled shirt and light jacket (he'd had a 9 hour flight that day), sat down right away (I was across the table from him) and joined right into conversation. He put up with all our questions. He wouldn't let us call him Dr. Gregor. He wanted to be called Michael.

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4/24/12 5:52 P

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"I'd made a pan of raw brownies from dates, walnuts, and cocoa which I found to be more satisfying than any regular ones I've ever had."

That sounds yummy, Eydie! I've wondered myself if I wouldn't like raw desserts better, because I've had a couple that I seemed to really like. Do you recommend any certain raw dessert cookbooks?

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4/24/12 5:49 P

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I hope this isn't a total highjack of the intent of this thread, I just want to share something that happened to me the other day. Where i work there's a gourmet restaurant upstairs and the pastry cook brings things down for us to try. I never try them, but this time I wanted to. I tasted a tiny bite of this raspberry cake and my first thought was 'Gross, too sweet and fake tasting', but there was the sugar addict in me that knew beyond all doubt that if I had one more taste then the cravings would set in. All those receptors that I've kept tamped down would be ready for more---and my refined tastebuds would totally lose it! I'm glad I had the wisdom and presence of mind to STOP because I know that it could easily go the other way.

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4/24/12 5:40 P

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"But I've gotten use to eating and drinking things with limited sweetener."

You've definitly got the right idea, Will, and this is something I think we should all aim for. I recall Bob Greene (the fitness guy) said that folks who wish to lose weight need to try to get that "sweet taste" out of their mouths as much as they can (but even he confesses to going to a resterant once a month and getting a piece of pie! It's his once a month treat. But otherwise he avoids sweetness in his life--that sounds odd, but you know what I mean!)

I've found I can do this with my lunch and dinner drink (make it very lightly sweetened), but for my morning coffee I tend to like a full flavored taste of sweetness (not sure why that is, but I do). I generally only want one cup per day. And when I have a movie night at home, I seem to like a sweet drink with my airpopped corn...mildly sweet just don't cut it with popcorn, for me. So finding a safe sweetener that has little calories would be especially good for me for evening use.


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4/24/12 5:18 P

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"I actually got to meet Dr. Gregor a couple of weeks ago when he came to Hawaii to give a speech to the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii."

How cool is that!!! Now I see why you were excited about what he had to say and wanted to share!

" Dr. Gregor uses erythritol for himself as a sweetener and recommended it to me. When I told him I was using stevia, he told me to stop."

Good to know, Shiva! Thanks for letting us in on this bit of valuable information (valuable because this man has studied the matter and is more than likely privilaged to information the rest of us don't have). Thanks for sharing this with us!!!

We only have one grocery store that sells this sweetener, and it's not "pure" (by that I mean it's mixed with Stevia or some other sweetener). So I would probably have to order it on-line to get the pure product. But at least now I know of one sweetener that probably is safer than the rest!

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4/24/12 4:10 P

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I agree with Will----your tastes really do change. I'd made a pan of raw brownies from dates, walnuts, and cocoa which I found to be more satisfying than any regular ones I've ever had. I love raw desserts and when I make dessert at all these days it's almost always something from my raw cookbooks.

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My tastebuds have become refined and I don't add a lot of sweetener. I never add any cane sugar, not ever. I do use molasses as a sweetener. I also use agave nectar. Sometimes I use Splender, other times I use Stevia. But I've gotten use to eating and drinking things with limited sweetener.

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4/24/12 3:29 P

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I can't do cane sugar at all---it triggers that "more, more!" thing with me. But when I use 'natural' sweeteners I'm okay--ones like maple syrup [big fan!], agave, date sugar or dates, brown rice and malt syrups, and I have a recipe for a fruit-sweetener that I make myself using fruit juice concentrate. I've experimented a bit lately with xylitol too.

I did have to buy a big ol' bag of sugar for the hummingbirds last week. Talk about a sugar addiction!

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4/24/12 9:15 A

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Lucky You!

I don't use artificial sweeteners and don't really like them. When I have had them they taste funny to me. When I bake (a couple times a year) I use cane sugar although did pick up coconut crystals for the last cake I made.



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4/24/12 6:52 A

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Terry & Michelle - I think real maple syrup is just expensive everywhere but so worth it. The difference in taste is amazing. I love to use it for baking and oatmeal.

Shivamoon - thanks for the info and the recipe. It's cool you got to meet Dr. Gregor and actually have a conversation. You forget that these people we see on YouTube are actually approachable.

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4/24/12 6:13 A

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Thanks so much! I look forward to trying this! Do the peas make the icecream have a...unique taste? Haha I've made icecream from bananas befor but peas is a whole new thing to me!

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I put a cup or so of frozen peas in the Vitamix, add some erythritol (to taste/or use your own favorite sweetener), a couple of big spoonfuls of unsweetened cocoa powder, a couple of spoonfuls of carob powder (naturally nonfat), and non or lowfat soy milk (or other type of non-dairy milk) to cover the peas, a teaspoon of vanilla and power on the Vitamix. Blend well. Add more liquid as necessary. You can add banana (try frozen banana or other fruits/spices, to your taste. I enjoy experimenting. I think this is really good, and it will be filling, too. The peas will make you feel very satisfied (unlike dairy ice cream!) Enjoy!





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4/24/12 5:23 A

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SHIVAMOON, I'm interested in your chocolate icecream made with peas. Do you have a recipe you'd be willing to share? Sounds interesting!!


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Hi Terry,
I actually got to meet Dr. Gregor a couple of weeks ago when he came to Hawaii to give a speech to the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii. We had a dinner to welcome him one night and the speech the next. I had a chance to ask him lots of questions. Erythritol is not really an artificial sweetener. It's a safe, no-cal product made from a sugar alcohol. Dr. Gregor uses erythritol for himself as a sweetener and recommended it to me. When I told him I was using stevia, he told me to stop. I'm starting to like erythritol (air-ith-rit-tall, just say it fast--it will come out ok.) It has the weight and texture of sugar, so I add a bit to my smoothies and to my funky chocolate ice cream (made with peas, yum!)

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4/23/12 10:03 P

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Michele, I live in a small country town, and Maple Syrup sells for about 8 dollars for a small bottle here, too. It seems like it's just gone way up in price over the past few years.

I know what you mean when you said:

"So it depends what you wont to use it for. Maple syrup to sweeten oatmeal yummy. But in my coffee to me blah lol"

That's been my problem, too! I think I've been trying to find "the one" sweetener that works for everything, but I'm realzing that's just not how it's gonna be. I don't like that maple taste in coffee and drinks (I've tried it before that way--yuk! Almost sickening.) But like you said, it seems to work great in oatmeal and probably other things, like cereals.

The doctor in the videos said Erthyretol (spelling all wrong there) was probably safe, so I might see if the store sells it. Then again, I may just keep trying my "experimental" sweetener of two parts honey to one part molasses. I tried it in cereal today and it seemed to do well. Have not tried it in drinks, yet. But molasses has a definite flavor, like maple does, so I kinda doubt it will work in drinks or coffee.

That's why I wish there was at least one safe artificial sweetener for coffee and drinks. Maybe erthyretol is it?


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Normally (for months at a time) I just don't eat or drink anything with added sweeteners of any kind. I think things like pop of any sort are unnecessary and unhealthy. That said, I would drink a sugar-sweetened soda before I would drink anything with artificial sweeteners in it.

Once every several months when I decide to sweeten a cup of tea I put about a tsp of agave nectar in it.

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4/23/12 4:54 P

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Terry heads up.i just bought a bottle of pure maple syrup. Here in vegas its costly 8 a bottel. It def was a splurge for me. But tast so yummy. Here a bottel same size aquva is $5 an change. An it is just syrupy sweet. So it depends what you wont to use it for. Maple syrup to sweeten oatmeal yummy. But in my coffee to me blah lol
Terry they do have a coke product with stevia in it.. if memory serves me its called coke zero. It has a black label.

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My understanding of stevia is it is a plant and it is not processed however it can be processed, the liquid is processed. I have read in sparks of people who grow it in there gardens. I have also seen raw organic stevia in health food stores, Truvia is a highly processed stevia like sweetener. But the bottom line is no sweetener is good in large amounts

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Terry, thanks for the link! I just watched it and it was very informative! I'm leaning toward the syrup route, as well. Better safe than sorry!

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I haven't tried Red Zinger in a while...will have to! I love Celestial Seasonings Blueberry flavor, too. Tazo's is not sold locally here, but I'll put it on my list of things to look for at Whole Foods, next chance I get to go there.

Well, I've thoroughly enjoyed learning more this morning from all you folks about artificial sweeteners! It's been enlightening! But now I'd better get off my beloved ole "puter" and get to work doing something.

Thanks for all the input, folks...you've really helped me in making some decisions today! Your opinions and advice matter to me---so thank you!!!

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Terry - Celestial Seasonings Red Zinger Tea is the best iced tea I've ever had. I also love Tazo' s Passion Herbal Infusion for iced tea. I use twice the number of tea bags that I would use for hot tea so I get a nice, rich tea that isn't diluted when it's poured over ice.

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"My mom is a diabetic and uses Splenda like it's going out of style."

Kelly, you bring up a good point as to why we NEED a safe artificial sweetener on the market! So many people are diabetic these days (My neice and my brother in law (her dad) are. My grandfather was. Who's to say some of us in the group might someday become that way, too. A safe artificial sweetener is a strongly needed.)

I know what you mean about missing chewing gum!!! I do too!!! Several months ago I was enjoying chewing gum before I had a meal with someone, just to be sure my breath was fresh. But then after the meal I would get sever stomach cramps and didn't know why. I finally figured out it was the aspartame in the gum! I stopped chewing gum....the cramps are gone! I'm majorly allergic to aspartame!

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Here's the link we are going by, Tory, about the safety of Stevia:

nutritionfacts.org/videos/a-harmless
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I know it's so confusing about products these days--we hear one thing, then another. But I was impressed with the research this doctor had done on it.

I've heard the most safe Stevia is in it's natural form, which is "green stevia" (non-processed), but when I bought some from one company, it was awful...tasted like it was made up of half black pepper! Not sure what the deal was, since to eat a leaf of real stevia off the plant, it is pleasantly sweet.

It sounds like the members of this group are gravitating more and more towards natural sweeteners, like Maple syrup, in order to avoid any dangers from something artificial. More and more I'm thinking that will be my route, too.

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I avoid them like the plague. LOL I am really disheartened though because I love chewing gum and can't seem to find one who's flavor lasts that doesn't have it. I miss chewing gum! emoticon

The only sugar I use is Sugar in the Raw or real cane sugar. I don't use any of the artificial stuff for baking/cooking or adding to drinks etc. My mom is a diabetic and uses Splenda like it's going out of style. If I am baking I will use agave or brown rice syrup depending on the recipe. Both of them have had some negative press as of late but it's better than chemically processed fake sugars or white sugar which is processed through bone char. I like fruits and veggies for my natural sugar.


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I do often buy unsweetened regular tea if I'm eating out these days, since it's about as close to natural in the drink department that one can get in a resterant. But for me personally, I don't really care for it (it's just a personal thing--I don't like a bitter taste in things).

But I'm glad you reminded me of herbal teas, because I do tend to like a few of them unsweetened. (Especially berry flavors.) So that's a good idea (for me) for summer tea! Thanks Patti!

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I'm off artificial sweeteners! I do not use any of them, but if i had to pick I always heard that Stevia was fine. Is it bad for you, too?

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Thanks for the link, Patti! Sounds yummy!!! Healthy ice cream...who knew!

Sounds like I'm hearing from you and several in the group that they are now using maple syrup as a sweetener more and more. This fits in good with my plans, since I planned to buy some this week for the Detox Salad that you had shared with us about. I'm eager to try it!

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4/23/12 11:09 A

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Try unsweetened iced tea - herbal or traditional. Nothing beats it for refreshment in the heat of summer (or any time of year for those of us who grew up in the South).

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4/23/12 11:06 A

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I mentioned in my post that I suspected that Splenda or Stevia would be the next sweetener to take the place of aspartame in commercial products. I now "predict" it will be Stevia! (See if I'm not right someday! Ha!)

I say this because I just learned that Truvia and Purevia (both stevia sweeteners) are owned by Pepsi and Coke! So it doesn't take a rocket scientist here to figure out what the next sweetener will be (at least in sodas)! So if Stevia may cause cancer....here we go again on the same old merry-go-round!

Sounds like they should go with Erytheritol...or just forgot about making anything diet anymore! (I generally avoid sodas anyway because they are so acid in nature, but on a hot summer day sometimes it seems like the only thing that will hit the spot!)

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4/23/12 11:05 A

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Terry - Banana "ice cream" is the perfect way to use those bananas that sat on the counter too long. Here's a post www.choosingraw.com/banana-soft-serv
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Thanks for the link to Dr Greger's video. I've found a lot of very helpful info on his videos and blogs since I discovered them a few months ago.

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4/23/12 10:55 A

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"My family and I eat fruit for dessert, smoothies and banana ice cream. :D "

I'm thinking what you're thinking on this. I seem to naturally gravitate toward fruit for dessert in summer months anyway, and now smoothies too. But I've not tried banana ice cream. Got any suggestions for a good recipe for it?

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4/23/12 10:52 A

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Terry - Good question! I've used stevia for years, but I've never used it often. Mainly I have it on hand for guests to use in tea. I used to use it on cereal, too. I was both amused and horrified when it became a mainstream sugar substitute in the form of Truvia and other brands because those products probably don't contain anything from the stevia plant except a chemical formula. When I buy stevia, I buy SweetLeaf brand www.sweetleaf.com/about/faqs

My "go to" sweetener is maple syrup. I drizzle a small amount over my cereal, and it's plenty. I frequently cook oatmeal with raisins, so there is little need for more sweetener. I use agave and have a lot of it right now. It has a slight aftertaste that I'm not crazy about, so I probably won't buy more once my current stock is gone.

About the only thing I use sweeteners for is baked goods. Agave and maple syrup work well in some recipes. I resort to sugar for others because I'm still refining my vegan baking skills. Using wet sweeteners changes the density and crumb of baked goods. Fortunately I don't need to eliminate sugars from my diet; I'm not diabetic.

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4/23/12 10:45 A

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I'm off of all artificial sweeteners. Some really upset my stomach and (I think) none of them are good to ingest. Fruit juices or molasses work fine.

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4/23/12 10:43 A

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I thought this was a very helpful video at the site Shiva told us about with sweetener comparissons:

nutritionfacts.org/videos/a-harmless
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But I did notice the information is over a year old...so I wonder if he's changed his opinion on Erythritol by now? Apparently not. And it sounds like this guy has done his research, so I tend to trust what he's saying.

I also really like the video format---great for folks like me who don't really love having to read everything on the net all the time! Ha!

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4/23/12 10:37 A

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I have actually never been a big sugar eater so I don't think about it too much. However, when my doctor asked me to give up sugar for good back in October I freaked out! Then I wanted it, lol! Since then I use maple syrup when I make treats, but I don't even do that very often. My family and I eat fruit for dessert, smoothies and banana ice cream. :D I've given up coffee which I've drunk black for three years anyway, and I don't put sugar in tea.

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I use none!

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4/23/12 10:26 A

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Shivamoon brought up some new information on artificial sweeteners somewhere in the group and I wanted to get the whole groups input on what they are doing now for sweeteners.

I was so happy that Shiva brought some new info to us on Stevia. She said:

"With stevia, it's been found to be safe for up to 4-5 servings daily (say what it would take to sweeten 5 cups of tea for a 150 pound person), but more than that has mutagenic effects, which basically means if you use too much it has cancer causing effects. Erythritol has none of that. This was reported by Dr. Michael Gregor and you can find this information on his site nutritionfacts.org "

I try to always stay updated on artificial sweeteners and was glad to learn this. I've used artificial sweeteners since they first began making them back in the 60's or 70's. (And yes, one cringes to think what they may have been doing to us!) In my older age I find that most, for me, cause some kidney irritation (meaning they make me run to the restroom a lot). Even Stevia does this, so I've stopped using it.

The worst side effect I have with a sweetener is Nutrasweet (aspartame) and it's in EVERYTHING nowdays! (I cannot find even a chewing gum anymore that doesn't have it in it!) It gives me horrible stomach cramps and diarrea--so I avoid it like the plague when I can. (Which means avoiding most of the soda pop on the shelves today that is diet).

Splenda also is a kidney irritatant for me, so I avoid it---and it seems to be the next big sweetener that is in line to be in all products (or either Stevia will be.)

I had great hopes for Stevia, but it has that same darn kidney irriatation effect. When I learned that Stevia was highly processed (it's naturally green in color) I ordered some of the green kind. Well, maybe I need to try other company's first before I never give it another try, but the brand of green stevia I bought was HORRIBLE!!! It was like a mixture of sweetener and black pepper! Who wants black pepper in their coffee??? (And here's the oddity: if you go up to a stevia plant, like I have before, and eat a leaf---it's so wonderfully sweet with no peppery or bitter taste! So why did the dried green kind taste like pepper???)

But if Stevia causes cancer, who needs it anyway!

And I've tried Agave. I like it, but it's expensive, I think. And probably I tend to use too much of it. (For daily sweetening, I mean.)

So now I'm experiementing with something totally natural: a combination of honey and molasses mixed together. (If I only use one teaspoon in a drink, it has only 25 calories.) I tried it in my coffee today, but did find the molasses a bit overpowering at half and half. Will try two parts honey to one part molasses next time and see.

But I do sometimes like things very sweet, like the glass of tea Shiva mentioned. So I'm glad to learn of Erythritol from her and will have to try it (thanks for letting us know, Shiva!) Although I'll probably never be able to pronounce it! LOL!!!

So what are you guys and gals doing about artificial sweeteners? Which one are you using now? Which ones have given you side effects that you didn't like?



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