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9/15/13 3:01 A

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I looked at your tracker. It looks great for today, assuming you weren't at all hungry. For me under 2000 calories/day will rarely be enough.
If in doubt it is better to exercise and eat more to build more muscle.
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9/14/13 9:19 P

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That's interesting about the fat cells getting "fed" before muscle cells. It's no wonder it's so hard to break the cycle of obesity. Nearly everything seems to reinforce the obesity side and only real initial effort will push your body back to a natural equilibrium.

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9/14/13 7:17 P

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I tracked today, so today is accurate if anyone wants to look at the tracker.
Thanks for the feedback thus far....

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9/14/13 12:46 A

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I know it may be hard to do but I would absolutely focus on body fat %, not weight. Building muscle is extremely important and being able to do so means that insulin resistance is getting better. The reason is that muscle cells get insulin resistant before fat cells which is why fat cells grow and muscle cells don't get fed. This makes it harder to exercise. The higher the percentage of calories that comes from fat, the better. I would seriously consider increasing fat to 80%, while making sure protein is moderate. I would think that your calorie level is much too low and your body is conserving energy to the extreme. I would consider more exercise but also a significant increase in calories from fat.
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9/13/13 10:43 P

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Yes, I think my hormones are out to get me! emoticon
I do a variety of exercise.
I do wonder about the being morbidly obese for so long aspect. I am very fortunate not to have had health issues because of it.

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Almost by definition you are or at least WERE insulin resistant if you were substantially overweight. This blurb is from Laura Dolson at About.com:

"If you are overweight, you are more likely to be insulin resistant, especially if you are carrying extra weight in your belly. If you have any of the symptoms of metabolic syndrome listed above, you are more likely to be insulin resistant. Additionally, people who respond well to reduced carbohydrate diets may be more likely to be insulin resistant."

If the low carb diet worked well in the past and seems to have stopped working, you may simply be on an extended plateau. You can keep tinkering with your macronutrients, you can experiment with Intermittent Fasting, you could try carb cycling. You can also switch up your exercise program. A lot of people go heavy on cardio and ignore strength. Adding muscle generally raises your base metabolism. Of course, your scale might go up a bit instead of down, but your pants will fall off.

Then there's the question of your other hormones. Assuming you've had your thyroid levels checked regularly, it could still be out of whack. And as you age it simply gets much harder to lose. Even naturally thin people tend to get middle-aged "spread" as their hormones cycle down. Here's Taubes on the subject:

"…Multiple hormones and enzymes affect our fat accumulation, and insulin happens to be the one hormone that we can consciously control through our dietary choices. Minimizing the carbohydrates we consume and eliminating the sugars will lower our insulin levels as low as is safe, but it won’t necessarily undo the effects of other hormones—the restraining effect of estrogen that’s lost as women pass through menopause, for instance, or of testosterone as men age—and it might not ultimately reverse all the damage done by a lifetime of eating carbohydrate- and sugar-rich foods.

"This means that there’s no one-size-fits-all prescription for the quantity of carbohydrates we can eat and still lose fat or remain lean. For some, staying lean or getting back to being lean might be a matter of merely avoiding sugars and eating the other carbohydrates in the diet, even the fattening ones, in moderation: pasta dinners once a week, say, instead of every other day. For others, moderation in carbohydrate consumption might not be sufficient, and far stricter adherence is necessary. And for some, weight will be lost only on a diet of virtually zero carbohydrates, and even this may not be sufficient to eliminate all our accumulated fat, or even most of it."

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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9/13/13 8:06 P

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My tracker is probably inaccurate due to me flaking. Believe me, I never skip meals! As you can probably see I've decided not to track for a while because I wanted to see how I did not obsessing and just listening to my hunger. I just don't eat carb items. I've gained! I've tried every combination of proteins, fats, more veg, less veg, blah, blah, blah.

That's why I was wondering about the insulin resistance since it seems no matter what I do I can't lose. I can maintain. I did have luck with the fat fast, but gained it back once I stopped. Of course it has to be sustainable.

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9/13/13 2:58 P

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Hi Moxie-

I looked at your tracker and from what is there- it looks like you might be dealing with inconsistant meals. Sometimes yo uhave dinner and snacks, other times not. You may be one of those who needs to eat small meals all day to keep the furnace working properly- just my .02 worth.

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It is the only choice for me who has been 318 lbs and has had breast cancer and does not want to have inflamation, diabetes, or gain back the weight. I would stay this weight the rest of my life rather than go off low carb. Just saying...and everyone is different.

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Guys, if 20 carbs has such affect on you, maybe try to rework your diet completely.
It's not like low carb is the only choice.

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I do understand the frustration Moxie because if I go much beyond 20 carbs per day I definitely gain. Right now I am under 10 carbs a day and am maintaining weight. It is so frustrating trying to figure it out.

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Yes, insulin resistance can certainly be a separate issue from diabetes (or abnormal blood sugars). It's a result of the diet we've been advised toward, and overstressing our hormonal equilibrium. Insulin, leptin, ghrelin... they all conspire to affect our healthy lives.

I have some trouble eating enough (meat) protein, although I do eat meat. The easiest proteins for me to digest are eggs, cheese... and, as I said, I do eat meat - but I can't eat more than 2-4 oz at a time, and I try to schedule it early in the day. Late (dinnertime) meat proteins just don't agree with me. I eat nuts, too, but in moderation.

Keep experimenting with food choices. I find that I can eat precooked shrimp as a meal. I eat mostly chicken and seafood, and less amounts of beef or pork. You'll find something that works for you.
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9/13/13 11:20 A

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MOXIE6,
What makes you think you've got insulin resistance?

I took some steroids, prednisone, for a medical condition 11 years ago. Big mistake. A few weeks into that I had symptoms of high blood sugar (it was high). I felt fine but I had a breakout of pimples on my chest and my eyesight changed (my eyes were getting bigger with fluid). I stopped that drug even before my doctor told me to, but the damage was done.

My doctor said the prednisone didn't cause my problems, but exposed them. Ha!

At no time during my 11 years on diabetes medication did I ever feel insulin resistance in any way. Now that I'm low carb, and medication free I sometimes have low blood sugar, which I feel. I get weak, I don't think so clearly, and when feeling like that and I measure, it is low. It's easy to fix that, just eat something.

My wife on the other hand has an over reaction to carbs. If she eats too many carbs she gets too strong of an insulin response, which over corrects and drops her blood sugar like a stone. She can try to eat more carbs to recover, but it is a roller coaster ride, so she just eats low carb to stay stable.

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Since you mention that you have been a vegetarian in the past, and it sounds like you still don't eat much meat, I wonder if this is actually a protein issue - especially if you are an active person. Nuts, cheese and eggs just don't have near the protein content that meats do, and studies link higher protein with weight loss. I would recommend reading a little on this issue and see if you think that might be part of it...

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And one more thing. Low blood sugar with IR can only be on fasting insulin.
If you had "yucky stuff" that was OGCT and you're sugar would go through the roof since they don't do it on empty stomach.

And when you have insulin resistance, like SUZANNEYEA (in case you got it diagnosed) it comes with real symptoms like Fatigue, problems focusing, high sugar, high lood preassure and others. And weight gain is in no way a direct symptom.

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"I gain weight beyond 20 g of carbs. If nuts or fruit are eaten I gain weight."
Sorry, nut that just can't be true. Cause what you're saying is if I eat carbs of fats, any at all - I gain weight, and you eat protein and get it gets you tired. Only things left are air and water.

First of you I would like to see your food journal, don't know if you keep it now. But you definitely should for at least 2 weeks, not missing anything you eat..
Cause things don't really add up.

The only image that comes into my mind is that you have muscle dystrophy and a severe one.

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I. Cannot eat nuts or fruit or even most vegetables. My blood sugar is fine, just very insulin resistant. I just enjoy the foods I can. Eat.

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9/13/13 8:24 A

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I gain weight beyond 20 g of carbs. If nuts or fruit are eaten I gain weight.
I can't just eat low carb. I have to keep very tight rein on calories or I gain. I've been vegetarian in the past and eating meat is something I do but something I tire of. I'm more of a nut and cheese gal! But I can't do that, ugh!

I lost 130 pounds on YOU on a Diet. I have found as I've aged into my 40s that I need to eat low carb to keep hunger in check. I was already not eating white food (sugar, flour, etc) and eating real whole foods. My weight though has crept up.

All the times I was pregnant they gave me fasting blood sugar tests where I had to drink yucky stuff and I never had even pre-diabetic blood sugar.

Edited by: MOXIE6 at: 9/13/2013 (08:29)
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I'm not a doctor, but I think I can explain that.
Yes you can have both conditions at the same time.
This is kinda borderline condition, basically your body uses more insulin to process sugars.
Let's say you had a big meal and it was just enough insulin stored by your body to process it.
Then you go and eat a piece of cake, but there's no more insulin in your body, it's not replenished yet. This will lead to very high blood sugar at that moment.
So when you're having appropriate eating regiment - you'll be fine.
Over eating, mainly sugars(refined carbs) will cause problems and lead to type two diabetes.

Explain please, what do you mean by "I can not seem to even eat nuts or fruit". What happens when you do? An what you mean exactly by "beyond a Induction style of eating".
"I have to track and be minimalist on carbs and low on calories as well." Where that "have to" coming from?

Anyways insulin resistance doesn't make you gain weight in itself.

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So I've been wondering and I'm hoping some of our sciencey people can answer this....If you don't have high blood sugar can you be insulin resistant?

I just keep wondering what is up with my body. I can not seem to even eat nuts or fruit. I'm pretty bummed about gaining weight if I go beyond a Induction style of eating. I have to track and be minimalist on carbs and low on calories as well.

The only thing that would make sense is insulin resistance but I've never had high blood sugar even when morbidly obese and pregnant with twins.

thanks for any thoughts....

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