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BRENNA84
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I have already made some discoveries along the way. some low carbers might not agree with everything that works for ME, and vise versa but already making great discoveries


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Brenna, I think you can see that all of us have come to the conclusion that a low carb lifestyle is the only way for us from a lot of different angles.

I started with a simple 70% Proteirn, 30% carb perspective, then over the years I have read, and listened, then read some more, experimented with different formal plans -- and learned, most importantly, how my body works.

I hate to admit it, but I had to learn the hard way that I needed a lifestyle change -- not a diet --I regained nearly 60lbs a couple of times thinking that if I got the weight off LC style, that I could go back to eating carbs and just 'be careful' -- for me, as soon as I quit paying attention, the carb-addiction kicked in and carbs started creeping back in -- cravings and all --one bite at a time.

Enjoy your reading and your journey. I look forward to hearing your discoveries.

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BRENNA84
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and learning along the way. I am reading a book "how I quit my low fat diet and lost 40 pounds"

its pretty interesting how it explains lots of different low carb and lowER carb diets. Pretty awesome!.


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I understand. You have to pick and choose and stand. I am glad you are not confused anymore.
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that is true, but I also like lots of input

and I'm not so confused anymore


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Brenna, I noticed that you are on a lot of spark teams. You may be getting input from so many places which will tend to confuse you "utterly." Just saying...

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BRENNA84
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i know some people here to say go all or nothing right away. me, I am simply amazed that I have done no white rice/potatoes/bread/pasta for 2 whole meals lol

simply amazed- and even then still a bit hungry until i eat some peanut butter or more avocado


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emoticon advice! I kept wishing there was a "like" button like on Facebook! I kept wanting to click as I read the different comments!

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Ditto all the good advice here. Impure thoughts. hehehe Good one, RUSSELL!

Carbs are triggers for those of us who are junkies. I'm very bad for that. A little bit sends me off on a crave. Don't fall for that "healthy grains" thing, either. There ARE no such things as healthy grains.

As for veggies, eat all you want! non-starchy veggies, at least. Now that I've been LC for a while, I can let myself splurge on some sweet potato occasionally. Just try to stay away from the root veggies, which tend to have more sugars. If you're finding yourself fighting hunger, chances are you may not be getting enough healthy fats. Animal fats. Saturated fats: the kind they like to advocate will kill you. Eat more real butter, bacon (and its renderings), whole milk, heavy cream, coconut oil. You should be getting the majority of your calories in the form of fats. Load up your proteins with good rich sauces! get rid of anything in the house that says low fat or no fat or reduced fat. Eat real food. Most LC and primal folks shop only the perimeter of groceries. There isn't much of anything in the "food" category of value in the regular aisles.

I strongly second the advice to read up on the various LC plans. While you're getting yourself oriented to the lifestyle (and don't think of it as a "diet"), you need some structure and foundation to help you adopt it. It really is a completely different approach to nutrition, and until you understand why it's better for you, it's easy to just hear the popular misinformation. You won't be able to really get onboard with it until you understand the mechanism. After that, it's hard for anything to deter you from the science. There's very good research and info on it now. Read the book that was mentioned here. There's a book review posted in our sticky about it. It's very good for picking a plan... although I always advocate Atkins simply because it gives the good science and a structured plan to follow.

I'm glad you found us and are making steps toward a healthier you!
Keep checking with us. We love new folks!

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they've forgotten we're really just animals ...
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thanx all. and yes one small bite can be a HUGE trigger for me, as I found out last night.

for NOT eating the grains, could I substitute with steamed turnips, yellow squash, something soft and mush like sweet potatoes or yams or something similar in texture but lower in sugar?

i would deeply appreciate it.

I have been fight this, but my body NEEDS lower carb to be healthy. I have surrendered lol. My body just doesn't function well on many grains and whatnot, no matter how much I force it too.

thanx.


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Russell has it right - there really is no one plan... Every one of the things you mentioned is low carb - there are just minor differences that don't matter in the long run.
And I laughed out loud over "impure thoughts" too. That's so right on target.

Grains are all high in carbs. There are other reasons why some people would elect to eliminate them from their diet, but as far as carbs are concerned they have to go - at least for a while - sprouted - whole - doesn't matter - they are off the list.

I started out on 20 grams of carbs a day and Atkins recommends that level in the beginning too. It is much, much easier to start very low and then go up than the other way around.
It's pretty simple to go that low - just eat anything from the protein group and anything from the green veggie group and ignore everything else. Don't think about calories or fat. Just eat what you want from those two food groups for a couple of weeks and watch those cravings go away.


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WOUBBIE
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"Impure thoughts" That made me laugh out loud! It's good phrasing, though. Most "real" food doesn't cause cravings. Most processed food does.

If you stick to minimally processed foods you probably won't go wrong. Minimally processed refers to things like washing, chopping, butchering, etc. Shop the perimeter of the store (avoiding the bakery and being careful at the deli). Anything with flour is highly processed by definition. As Russell said, you can probably add the sprouted products back later in your progress, but at the start it's probably counterproductive.

I point a lot of people to the team name here: Living Low Carb. For most of us this is a lifelong commitment, so we all are working our way through making permanent changes that we can stick to.

Hope we haven't overwhelmed you with all the info!

Pray for Ukraine... Slava Ukraina!


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It is always better to start out at the lowest possible carb allotment. This allows you to get past any cravings. Until this happens, you will continue to want ezekiel bread etc. You get carbs low enough, you won't be craving anything. Then you can eat properly without your body screaming impure thoughts at you. As time passes, through trial and error, you will expand the variety, and quantity of carbs consumed.

The biggest problem people have with doing low carb, is they do it halfway, and are still experiencing cravings. They can't succeed this way. If you think you are hungry, you will eat, and you will eat what you crave.

Low carb is not one plan. It is an idea. I follow Atkins, because it fits my lifestyle. I think everything else is just a variation of Atkins, with a small twist, so they can sell some new books. Atkins himself wasn't coming up with a new idea. Simply, lower carbs enough, and you no longer have cravings. Then you eat less, and lose weight. You may perceive that you eat more though, because we never count our cheats, but you actually eat less. I eat 2000-2200 calories a day, but it is actually less once you average in the visits to Taco Bell. While I ate 500 calories less on my meal plan, I would consume an extra 10,000 calories a week in cheats, which is an extra 1500 calories a day.

If you cut your carbs low enough, whether on Paleo, Atkins, Primal, South Beach etc. you will lose weight, and feel no cravings. It is that simple. If you have ANY cravings, you are eating too many carbs, and probably a trigger food. Trigger foods are pretty simple to find.. they are the foods you love the most. Pop, pasta, rice, EZEKIEL bread etc. Since you shouldn't be craving any food, anything that you do crave is a problem.

I stick to 25-50 carbs a day, and consume 4-6 cups of vegetables a day. No one suggests doing no carb, although, you would adjust, and be fine if you chose to do so. You will probably eat more vegetables on low carb than on a regular diet. That will increase as you up your carbs. Seven cups of green beans has 56 grams of carbs, but half is fiber, so 28 NET carbs. Most people will get sick of green beans first, but 7 cups of vegetables is a LOT. You can have salads, veggie omelettes etc.

Stop worrying about which plan, and follow the principles of low carb that govern all of the plans. Eat low glycemic fruits and vegetables, and avoid processed foods, and sugars. If you read a Gary Taubes book, and Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, you will see that 95% of the ideas are the same. Eat clean, real food, while paying attention to the quantity, and quality of the carbs you consume. If you do this, and get rid of cravings, the calories will take care of themselves.

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Starting out on any low carb plan is difficult. You are literally addicted to some of those carbs and so there is real withdrawal. But if you hang in there and get past that hump (usually about a week) you will feel much, much better and those maddening cravings for bread and pasta will have disappeared.

Yes - you do need lots of veggies, and that should be priority on your menu plan - just stick with low carb veggies. Eat lots of leaves - lettuce, kale, spinach.... any leaf is OK and any green veggie is too. Just skip the high carb ones like peas, corn, potatoes - at least for a while. The Duke University No Sugar No Starch says that you must eat two cups of leaves every day and one half cup of another low carb veggie.

You may be able to have your Ezekiel bread somewhere down the line when you've lost all the weight and are on maintenance, but grains are the last thing to add back - if ever. For now the more you give in to those cravings the longer you'll crave the carbs.

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Common misconception, there,, Brenna. We eat LOW carb, not NO carb. Huge difference there! Many of us eat more veggies since we started low carb than we did back in the low fat days. Five, six, or seven cups of veggies a day is not unusual for me. I'm just careful which veggies I eat.

With the exception of Induction on some of the older versions of Atkins, you start with 20 NET carbs per day. That's total carbs minus fiber. A few examples.

Less than 1 net carb per half cup raw - bamboo shoots, bok choi, broccoli, Chinese cabbage, endive, any kind of lettuce (less than .5 per half cup), radishes, spinach (.1 net per 1/2 cup raw), alfalfa sprouts (.2 per 1/2 c)

Between 1 and 2 net carbs per 1/2 cup cooked - green cabbage (raw), red cabbage (raw), cauliflower (raw), chard (cooked), cucumber slices (raw), fennel (cooked or raw), mushrooms, zucchini or yellow squash (raw), turnip greens

Between 2 and 3 net carbs per 1/2 cup cooked - asparagus, broccoli, eggplant, jicama (raw), kale, sauerkraut, green onions (raw), spinach, zucchini or yellow squash (cooked), turnips

As you can see, you can have practically unlimited lettuce, and an easy 5 - 10 cups of other veggies a day and stay under the 20 net carbs.



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thanx for the post. the problem is that I need lots of veggies and I can't do extremely low carb.

every time I try to cut out ALL carbs, something is missing and I feel obsessively hungry until I have some ezekiel bread or some whole grains (not baked).


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I agree with Woubbie and Houndlover1. Years ago I tried SouthBeach, and lost weight for the first time in my life. I got pregnant again and didn't continue, and over the years grew very heavy. Last year I read Dr. Westman's book, Atkins for a New You, mostly because he's here in our community and a group of women at my church were losing weight with him, but I didn't make any changes at that time.

This past February I hit a place with my weight I couldn't ignore and began a reduced carb existence that doesn't exactly follow any plan other than I now get all of my carbs now from fruits and vegetables and I rarely indulge now in bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, corn, or sugars (or sugar substitutes). Along with daily walking, that has been a sufficient program for me to lose 60 pounds without feeling hunger, cravings, or loss and to improve health and energy levels.

All that is to say that probably the most important thing is to learn about carb-containing foods, make sure you are still getting adequate nutrition, and find a path for yourself which is both effective and sustainable. Best wishes on your journey!

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Right now I am reading "How I Gave up my low-fat diet and lost 40 pounds" by Dana Carpender.

so far so good. i have lowered the carb intake for dinner and for breakfast. and its an adjustment but am slowly feeling a bit better. I will need more meals to tell.


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I second Woubbie's advice for a good intro. I also think that the book "The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living is the best on the topic and would highly recommend reading it.
Having said that I decided to wing it at first and it did work for me.
I basically cut out all sugar, grains and legumes as well as very high-carb veggies and fruit like potatoes, grapes, bananas. This led to huge improvements in my health and energy levels.
The fine-tuning came later when I tried many different foods and food combinations and paid close attention to how many carbs I consume.
Birgit

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If you're in a hurry to get some information until you get the book, try the About.com site:

lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarb101/a/get
tingstarted.htm


Her first piece of advice is to Become Informed. :) Low carb is counter-intuitive to our culture and our current food supply, so you need to understand what your body's doing when you lower your carb intake.

Take heart, though. The science behind low carb has never been better, and there are a host of different plans you can try. One of them WILL fit you.

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I have to agree with the others. I too, think you need a plan - so you have some concrete guides to go by.

Betty

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TODAY IS THE TOMORROW YOU WORRIED ABOUT YESTERDAY. GET ON WITH IT!!

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I tried the first time without reading, did not work. Then I read Atkins, understood everything, and lost the weight.



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thanks for the info emoticon



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yeah - i have tried winging it and it doesn't work lol

thanx for the book suggestion emoticon


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Read Jonny Bowden's book, "Living Low Carb: Controlled-Carbohydrate Eating for Long-Term Weight Loss." In it, he discusses the basics of low carb and then summarizes and evaluates 20+ different low carb programs. Pick one of them, and get the book that goes with that plan. Read the book, then follow the rules.

Don't just try to wing it. It doesn't work.



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I am confused between low carb, controlled carb, decreased carb and no grain.

it is driving me crazy. I know I'm consuming more than I should, but its just crazy. I have no idea what to do or how to do it.

and I feel like lately, I have become drunk on carbs and can't sober up.

ideas please?


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