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9/2/13 2:06 P

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Russell - thanks for the info. I printed out your reply and will use that to take a look at my nutritional tracker goals.

No one is a better example of how to do this lowcarbing thing than you are. I hope you have documented your journey with pictures and a journal. You could have your own website and write a book. I would buy it.

Joy

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9/2/13 12:49 A

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I aim for a set # of carbs.. say 50 grams total, and then add in 30% protein. The rest is fat for me. Sometimes I need to add olive oil, or macadamia nuts to accomplish this.

I tend to notice that women have more issues getting protein. I eat 1.5 lbs of chicken, and 5 eggs, and that gets me to about 150 grams quite easily.( 50 a meal ). I think much over 30% protein is a waste, but you should be able to get plenty with meat and eggs. I find it harder to get my fat in. I aim for 6-%, so my carbs are less than 10%. Some weeks this takes quite a bit of moving things around to make the #'s right.

All ketogenic means is that you are in ketosis, and burning ketones. As a diabetic, consuming 150 grams of carbs a day from subs, and pasta, I didn't lose any weight. Technically I was on a low carb diet, or very close. Even at 100 grams a day, I would not be in ketosis. Some people do not consider a diet that doesn't put you into ketosis to be low carb at all, but moderate carb.

I am not a fan of the term low carb, mostly because it is so vague. I eat a high fat diet. Worrying about what we call it, is a waste of time though. Just follow the principles, and cut carbs till ALL cravings are gone. Then you can slowly add carbs back in, seeing if you can identify your trigger foods, which you must abstain from ingesting. At this time, you want to set an upper carb limit too. then all you have to do is avoid going over the limit, or eating any of the trigger foods. If you do that, you will lose weight, and whether it is " low carb ", or ketogenic, or BOTH, you really won't care, right? lol. You'll be too busy trying on new clothes!

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8/31/13 12:00 A

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It depends a little on height and weight as well as activity level. More muscular people need more protein to keep that muscle. If you want to build additional muscle you need more protein as well. I like protein shakes if they are made from natural things like milk, cream and yogurt mixed with some finely ground nuts, Xylitol, berries or other lower-carb fruit. Sometimes we use left over whey from yogurt making for Smoothies.
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JLKL1980's Photo JLKL1980 Posts: 1,151
8/30/13 4:12 P

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I have heard from one of the doctor experts that around 30 grams of protein each meal helps with weight loss. I have to have a protein shake to be able to do that every day.

Joy

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8/30/13 1:42 A

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Betty, I think it's really important to get enough protein, around 25 grams per meal, especially the older we get, because maintaining muscle becomes harder as we age and exercise alone just won't do it. Fortunately we have a lot of tasty choices.
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8/29/13 11:20 P

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According to the chart in Eades book, "Protein Power Life Plan" I'm supposed to have 27 grams protein with EACH meal as a minimum, but a little more is okay.. I don't always get that much, but I try to get close.

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8/29/13 7:49 P

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The cool thing about ketosis is that our body does not distinguish between dietary fat and body fat much and will use either. Even a normal weight person has at least about 40,000 calories available to burn in the form of fat deposits. This is why getting our body used to burning fat is so helpful for athletes as well. No need for carb-loading except maybe for sprinting. emoticon

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JLKL1980's Photo JLKL1980 Posts: 1,151
8/29/13 2:03 P

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Betty and Birgit - thanks for the information. I did some snooping on the internet and found this link:

blog.paleoforpower.com/2013/01/23/th
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difference-between-paleo-and-keto.aspx


I guess in Ketogenic you are using the ketones from the fat as an energy source instead of energy from the carbs, so I guess you would want to make sure you are getting enough fat intake to supply you with energy for the day.

I want to make sure that I am getting the protein I need, also. Yesterday, I had 1,600 calories, with carbs 16%, fat 57%, and protein 27%. I did treadmill for 30 minutes. Today, I dropped a pound. I am tired of tweaking my nutritional intake. Maybe I will stick with this for a while and see if I continue having some scale movement, although I know the scales aren't the only way to see progress.

This low carb lifestyle has certainly been a learning experience for me.

Anyway, thanks again for the replies.

Thanks again. emoticon

Edited by: JLKL1980 at: 8/29/2013 (14:04)
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8/29/13 1:59 A

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Many people consider a lot of what Mark Sisson recommends low-carb and that may be up to 150 grams of carbs a day, although often under 100 grams. For most people ketogenic starts under 50 grams/day of carbs, but everyone is different. The SAD diet is often over 300 grams of carbs/day so low-carb it's all relative.
I personally do best on ketogenic but I'm quite carb-intolerant. My daughter does ok as long as the stays around 80 grams of carbs, my husband can safely go to 150 grams/day. We are all different. I know people who have to stay under 20 grams of carbs for life for optimum health.
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8/29/13 1:32 A

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A low carb diet IS a Ketogenic diet - usually means carbs less than 50 or so a day for most people. Obviously some people can eat more or even need less. Atkins Diet, Protein Power, etc. are considered ketogenic - So, it's just different wording, but basically a low carb diet. And of course, you need higher fats too - I try for 60-75% fat...

I don't listen to Jimmy Moore's things, but I know he just put a book out and his emails seem to be all sales pitches for it, although will read different things he puts out there, but haven't watched or listened to any of his speeches. I'll usually read information though that he puts out - I get his emails.

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JLKL1980's Photo JLKL1980 Posts: 1,151
8/28/13 3:47 P

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This post is for those on our team that have been living this low carb lifestyle for a while and are knowledgeable about the nutrition details.

I have a question - Is there a difference between a ketogenic diet and just a plain old low carb diet? And if so, could you explain the difference to me or guide me to a link that explains the difference?

I've been listening to Jimmy Moore's Low Carb - Ask the Experts talk show, and I thought I heard one of the experts say there is a difference and you could still lose on just a lower carb plan that wasn't ketogenic.

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