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I couldn't agree more. I was just looking at a study published in 1934 where they list a lot of statistics about heart disease over the previous 30 years, and how it seems to be on the increase, but when you look at what they list as causes, some of them are things that would rarely if ever be a cause in modern times - things like syphilis and "goiter" (thyroid disease), which are now treatable.

They do note that in virtually all cultures worldwide rural populations have a lower incidence than in the cities. Think that maybe the folks out in the country didn't eat as much sugar and starch as their city brethren and got a lot more activity in the fresh (non-cigarette-smoke-filled) air?

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I think that all of our modern ailments are caused by our diet, and can be corrected by going back to normal food, without processed or sugary foods in your diet. I have personally improved my cholesterol, and diabetes enough to get off all meds, and while I still take gout meds, since getting back on low carb 16 months ago, I have not had one gout attack.

These ailments are a protest by our bodies. Without the correct fuel, the body breaks down. This is diabetes, alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, gout, hypertension, and high cholesterol. In future generations, it is higher incidences of autism, earlier onset of all of these diseases.

We can argue over whether we ate more vegetables/ grains, or meat, but no one can argue that we thrived for millenia on Hot Pockets ( my favorite example ). I personally think Hot Pockets and blue Kool-aid ( sugared ), are responsible for 60% of cancer.. emoticon

I often wonder if real bread would not be as big an issue as sugary bread that doesn't smell good that they serve at the grocery. I think we have food in 3 categories. Food that is good for everyone ( low carb ).. food that is okay for some ( higher carb , non- processed/salty/sugary ), and frankenfoods ( 1/2 the grocery store ). I personally have to eat from Category 1, but think many people can eat some foods from Category 2 mixed in. Most people eat a bunch of foods from Category 3 though, at least for the past 40 some years. All these ailments + obesity have skyrocketed since we implemented these dietary changes.

If something hurts you, stop doing it. We are poisoning our bodies and minds ( well, not us ), and doctors, and the " experts " are telling us it is healthy. So most people follow along, strictly following a " healthy " diet, and when they get sick, the doctor blames them, and never the diet.

My mother was a nurse in outstate New York in the 60's, and cancer, and heart disease were rare. Most of their patients were people with pnuemonia, or car accidents/broken bones from sports/ farm accidents. In her years there ( 5 ), they had 1 person who had a heart attack, in a three town area of almost 100K people. I live in a township that size now, and when I am down getting an echo/stress test/heart catheterization, we are stacked up in the waiting room by the dozen. We sit around and talk about all the procedures we have had done, and reassure the newbies. We say things like " Don't worry, the stress test makes you feel horrible, but it's over in 5 minutes ", or " An echo is nothing, you just lay there, and its over in 20-30 minutes! ". However, I think these all could be much more rare, if we just stopped trying to push wheat, corn and potatoes on the american public, just because they donated the most to the politicians. I believe that alzheimer's, and autism would drop back down to previous levels also.

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8/10/13 10:57 A

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Moxie that's totally true. Being overweight is more a "marker" than a cause. The same thing that causes your obesity causes your other health issues. It's tough to be an advocate for this lifestyle because we're going against nearly every health edict out there. Time and success are on our side though.

My DH, who was thin most of his life, started on blood pressure meds in his early 30's, and now has metabolic syndrome at 46. When I started this lifestyle he had all the typical preconceived notions about health, and hunger, and weight. It's taken time, but as he sees my success he's become more amenable to making changes of his own. Unfortunately, his metabolic syndrome is driven by alcohol much more so than food: beer-drinker. He's working on it, but it's going to take a whole lot of time for him to change his lifestyle because it's so interwoven with his leisure time. *sigh*

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8/10/13 9:04 A

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Moxie6 you are lucky your husband was willing to eat the new way. Mine refuses. He says because he's naturally thin he does not need to worry. He takes Prilosec just so he can eat wheat- and he only eats high carbs. :o( Cookies and coffee are his favorite! .....sigh.....

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8/10/13 7:39 A

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I try to think about being overweight gives us the alarm and thin people who don't eat properly aren't LUCKY enough to have the bell. My husband knows he's genetically magically thin and muscular. Since we changed our family diet he said how much better he feels, how much faster he runs and how much stronger he is. He feels like he's in his 20s. (he's almost 50 and plays softball).

It will help to think about eating sugar as the potential for developing dementia rather than just weight on the body and a larger pants size. (don't eat that donut or you might lose your mind!) I know after years of battling my weight it was my mother's diagnosis, and knowing no other risk factors, that made me attempt weight loss again and change my diet.

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8/10/13 1:31 A

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I agree, I know many older people who are thin with type 2 and dementia. I also know many heavy set people like me in our 50s with type 2 and no dementia. So I don't think weight is the issue either- but I think it is definitely diet. My mom 80 yrs old with lots of inflammation pain refuses to give up wheat just to try it, even tho she sees I'm pain free now. She even told me Bill O'Reilly quit wheat (but I think he eats "gluten free") so she knows its not just my craziness! LOL!! just my humble opinion!

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8/9/13 10:17 P

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I forgot to mention when I posted last night that my friend who is diabetic and has Alzheimers is not overweight and has never been overweight - I've known him and his wife for about 60 years. She's overweight/or was... she's lost a lot of weight now, but he's never had a weight problem.

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8/9/13 8:21 P

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I'm with you Joy. This is a societal illness, not a personal character weakness.

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My father had Alzheimers and now my sister has Parkinson's and dementia (I don't see much of a difference between dementia and Alzheimers.)

I read one of the articles, and the thing that always bothers me is when I read that Type 2 Diabetes is due to overeating. It sounds like they are blaming the victim. Maybe I am just being touchy due to the fact that I am insulin resistant and diabetes is in my genetics. Like I tell my mother - I am not fat because I overeat, but because of what I have eaten in the past and how my body is not functioning properly right now. When I am trying so hard to do everything right, and the weight is slow in coming off - well, it is just not helpful to have people think I go around pigging out 24 hours a day. For now, I am limiting contact with unhelpful people while I am on my journey.

Okay, I have calmed myself now. emoticon

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I can believe it! I have a dear friend who's been diabetic for many years and he has had Alzheimers for a few years, although they first said dementia - but now (as of a couple of years ago) Alzheimers has been firmly diagnosed. He's getting really bad - can't be left alone for even 5 minutes...

So sad..

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8/8/13 8:35 P

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Fascinating. This gives hope that Alzheimer's can be prevented, if not cured.

Thanks for sharing.

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Here is a down to earth article from the NY Times talking about "Type 3"

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Some researchers are considering reclassing Alzheimer's as Type 3 diabetes, because they share so many symptoms.

One odd thing stands out in this study: how can you have consistently high fasting glucose levels and not be considered, at the very least, PRE-diabetic. I don't think you can.

"During a median follow-up of 6.8 years, dementia developed in 524 participants (74 with diabetes and 450 without).

"Among participants without diabetes, higher average glucose levels within the preceding 5 years were related to an increased risk of dementia (P=0.01); with a glucose level of 115 mg per deciliter (6.4 mmol per liter) as compared with 100 mg per deciliter (5.5 mmol per liter), the adjusted hazard ratio for dementia was 1.18 (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.04 to 1.33)."

Isn't fasting glucose of 115 considered pre-diabetic?

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Thanks for those nice articles. I wouldn't be a bit surprised by this info. Sugar and insulin resistance has been "fingered" in so many of our ailments... it's hard to think that dementia and associated Alzheimer's could escape its effects.

The research here appears to be observational - but nonetheless thought-provoking. I hope they do some further clinical cohort and formal studies. It's a terrible condition; anything we could do to forestall it would be wonderful.

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8/8/13 8:29 A

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Thanx! Makes a lot of sense!

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8/8/13 7:20 A

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I think my mother is in this category. She had no other risk factors....

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