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6/24/13 12:10 A

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Lol @ SUZANNEYEA

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6/23/13 11:32 P

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I would like to believe that it will mean doctors can now prescribe things like personal trainers, gym memberships, and counseling with a dietician.

I think it might also make a lot of people take their obesity more serioiusly and really understand that this is soemthing that can and will eventually kill them.

I also think it will just simply open lines of communication between drs and patients. Rather than giving pills for hypertension, they might give advice that losing weight can be an option - that hypertension (in many cases) is a symptom of the disease of being obese rather than looking at hypertension as a disease/disorder in and of itself.

I guess time will tell.....

oh - and btw - many insurance programs already cover lap band.

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SUZANNEYEA's Photo SUZANNEYEA Posts: 4,342
6/20/13 4:37 P

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This just means that insurance companies will cover lap band surgery. No one will change their diet.

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6/20/13 4:09 P

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And then with it being a disease will employers/insurance companies not be able to discriminate towards "fat" people...

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6/20/13 11:51 A

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I read the AMA's decision at several levels. First, it's an admission that as a nation we're losing the "war against obesity." Second, as several of the previous posts have stated, it portrays obesity as a disease, to be cured through the usual methods of modern western medicine. Expect an expensive search for a magic bullet "cure" for obesity (think cancer) with lots of celebrity and public fundraisers (think cancer again. I wonder what color ribbon they will pick), mixed with lots of traditional diet and exercise advice. Third, also as previously noted, this misses the base causes for obesity, which to me seem to be: outdated/wrongheaded dietary advice; generally poor cultural eating habits; and an industrial food production/distribution system which makes eating healthily very hard even for those with sufficient knowledge and resources and almost impossible for the majority of the populace which lacks these assets. So - while the additional attention that doctors will have to give to this is a plus, unless, as Birgit and Woubbie have just posted, we change our basic paradigms about how we understand the connection between nutrition, diet, and health, I fear we won't make much progress. One silver lining is that the increased costs to insurance companies might drive market forces to find more effective solutions, including "alternative" approaches to diet/nutrition?


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6/20/13 11:24 A

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I saw this yesterday, too, and had mixed feelings.
My very preliminary thoughts are this: If obesity is a disease (legally) then insurance companies need to pay for treatment (without other symptoms), doctors need to treat it and our over-burdened health-care system will be even more in trouble - unless doctors become experts at curing rather than managing obesity, in which case all the diseases that are secondary to obesity are prevented in many cases.
So here is your reason to do anything you can to spread the message to every doctor in the country how obesity can be cured, and along with it heart disease, diabetes, stroke and many cancers.
I just posted this link in my blog last night but it fits in here as a great starting point to educate physicians in particular that is free on the internet. A great talk by Peter Attia that is available on youtube:
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Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 6/20/2013 (11:27)
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6/20/13 11:17 A

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Obesity probably IS a disease for a tiny fraction of the population - what Taubes has called a "disorder of fat metabolism". These people would be obese regardless of the food supply.

What's going on today is NOT generally caused by a disorder of fat metabolism. It is caused by our food supply - fattening, addictive, and abundant.

This label will only help people if the medical community actually ever gets its hands on good information as to the root causes of obesity, and then extrapolates the most successful means of neutralizing those causes. There is no CURE, just as there is no cure for any addiction, there is only the hope of remission and continued abstinence.

The LAST thing we need is MORE PILLS!!!!!

Edited by: WOUBBIE at: 6/20/2013 (11:19)
Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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6/20/13 10:44 A

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Not a disease in my opinion. An addiction? Yes.

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6/20/13 9:50 A

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I am trying to maintain a positive attitude about this. For so long, the medical community has treated the symptoms rather than the cause. Hey, instead of finding treatments for heart disease, diabetes and some cancers, how about treating the causes of these (obesity and smoking) as diseases? Often, the cure to a disease is to prevent it from every happening. Maybe treating that fat 20 year old with respect and doing things to help them lose some weight will make it so you don't have to treat their diabetes years later. Maybe teaching that slightly chubby 10 year old ways that can help them never be fat would be a good thing! Maybe teaching that baby's parent good ways to keep a kid healthy would be a good thing!

Edited by: FROGMAN2013 at: 6/20/2013 (09:52)
I lost a lot of weight and maintained it for years, then I got all stressed and busy and lost my way. Starting over from a much better place (way less to lose this time!) and making things better.


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6/20/13 7:50 A

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I have mixed feelings about this, for some reason. I had intended to expound on my reasons for the mixed feelings, but everything I think of sounds silly or irrelevant or something.



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6/20/13 7:01 A

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www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-
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I am starting my ticker again since starting low carb.

You have no control over what you weigh...only what you do.
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