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5/8/13 1:58 P

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If eating real food and not taking medication made someone a lot of money I'm sure it would be the most prescribed thing on the planet!

I remember Dr. Oz (no haters please!) being asked about the cost of health care in the US during a question/answer session. He said that if folks ate well and and exercised we wouldn't have a a health care cost crisis.

It's what I keep telling my dad who moans and groans about every malady. He keeps big pharm and his doctors in business by continuing to eat cheap Walmart bakery products!

I am starting my ticker again since starting low carb.

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5/8/13 11:48 A

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Too true, Russell. Most people treat doctors as if they have superhuman skills and understanding, and are way more intelligent and intuitive than the rest of us. If your truck mechanic did as crappy a job fixing your truck as many doctors do fixing their patients you'd go somewhere else. (Then again, a lot of people get hoodwinked by their mechanics too, come to think of it....)

Getting back to the OP, JUSTEATREALFOOD, I am surprised at how many people have no fundamental understanding of the difference between type 1 and type 2 diabetes. My DH, whose father died at 54 of multiple diabetes-caused complications, had NO IDEA that his dad's pancreas was either producing too much insulin and his cells were insulin-resistant or the pancreas had been damanged by alcohol and wasn't producing enough insulin. He thought that, for some mysterious reason his dad's pancreas just stopped producing insulin altogether. His dad never did manage his diabetes well and continued to eat (and DRINK!) whatever he damn well pleased and then just upped his insulin to compensate.

Maybe if more people understood that continuing to eat carbs when you're already type 2 is like hurling gasoline at a fire to put it out.

Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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5/8/13 11:44 A

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Russell - I was looking at your weight ticker, and that shows how much incredible weight you have lost. I assume that has been since you started lowcarbing. One can't argue with the evidence you are showing in your life.

I watched this Youtube video yesterday - found it answered a lot of people's questions about Atkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toLvGpk3H
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5/8/13 7:38 A

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I was diabetic, and when I asked the diabetic counselor " If cutting carbs to 150 a day lowers blood sugars, then lowering them to 75 would be better, right ? ", I got yelled at. Of course I never went back.

I have to limit sodium, but find I need more on low carb, and when I upped my saturated fats, my HDL went up. People want to believe the experts. Problem is, their are no experts in the medical field, just people repeating the work of past generations. When you stop and think of the innovation, and speed of new discoveries in the technology sector, you have to be amazed that we are still touting the same studies from the 60's, and 70's. Nothing new for 50 years. That means that nothing new is being discovered, or that it is being kept from public consumption. That is sad. When I first got gout, the book I got from the library was a reprint from 1934. My diabetes books were not much newer, just reprinted. If it isn't heart disease, or cancer, it doesn't make enough money to be worth experimenting with. Medicine has switched to how we can make a pill to fix things, instead of starting with the theory that normal people do not have these issues, and the cause is an unusual process of living. Reverse what you are doing wrong, and you get rid of the issue.

I would be willing to say that if a Type 2 diabetic was willing to stick to under 50 grams of carbs a day, that they could have a normal A1C, and be off all meds. It seems so simple, and people are suffering horrifying complications, and death, because the AMA says low carb is not a viable treatment for diabetes.

As a person with health issues, I just had to take a leap of faith, and hope it worked. That's not what is supposed to happen. Most people will be afraid to do so, until too late.

"We can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them "

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“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”

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5/7/13 12:52 P

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I just wrote a long post trying to explain why eating low-carb may be a very important first step to healing eating disorders on the binge-eating team over here:
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I'd be interested in getting feedback on that discussion if anyone wants to take a look.

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P.S. If anyone over here has overcome eating disorders or binge eating through a low-carb or paleo lifestyle please consider joining that team and share your experience. There are so many people suffering...

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 5/7/2013 (12:55)
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5/7/13 12:45 P

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Oh, I can so relate to this. My dad is diabetic, my mom keeps making potatoes nearly every Sunday (Sunday dinner with the whole extended family) along with serving some sort of bread, and occasionally will make comments about me not eating them because they are so full of nutrients. Last time she said this, I told her I can get those same nutrients from other vegetables that don't spike blood sugar. She agreed, but hasn't stopped serving them. And then there's dessert. Every week. I stopped eating it entirely which disappoints her. I really believe my dad is addicted to food. So unless my mom wises up and gets rid of all the stuff he can't eat, he will continue to eat it because it's there. In fact, he will go out of his way to eat stuff he isn't supposed to, stopping here or there for a treat so even it it's not in the house, he won't change. It's hard to watch because after all these years it is really starting to affect his health and I worry about the effects of diabetes such as losing limbs. He already has eye problems and I fear he will lose his eyesight.

I have given them things to read, but it makes no difference. Never mind that I am the only one of us 4 kids who is not carrying around a stomach that looks like a pregnant woman's. So, my siblings are probably next...

“One of the most important keys to Success is having the discipline to do what you know you should do, even when you don't feel like doing it.” - Unknown


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5/7/13 10:41 A

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What he said.

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Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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5/7/13 9:53 A

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One thing to remember that others have stated is this.....most nutritionists and dietitians and doctors out there will tell them that carbs are essential, that you need to eat 45-55% carbs in every meal and that the things that are causing all the trouble are sugar (right), saturated fat (wrong) and salt (wrong). Now, as a biochemist, I ask why on earth would fat and salt be responsible for causing damage to a system of sugar regulation when the massive amounts of carbs and sugar are staring the patient right in the face? There is a lot of very suggestive but biased research out there to support this position, so it is going to be a long slog to get the establishment to change. Keep to your guns, don't preach unless asked to and lead by example.

Maybe try suggesting that all that sugar and carbohydrate is continuing to do the damage that it was doing when they were heading towards diabetes over the years but that now the insulin is helping to mask the damage a little longer just like it did when their body was making the insulin....in other words...sugar is the cause of diabetes, their body controlled the damage for as long as it could with its own insulin and what makes them think that injected insulin is going to do any better a job than their own body was doing for 40+ years?

I would also suggest the Gary Taubes book, Why We Get Fat, for some moderately light reading that will blow the minds of at least some early diabetics.

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October 2011: 215 lbs
October 2012: 215 lbs
October 2013: 251 lbs (Doh, time to get back on track)

As a famous ancient philospher once mused..."Eat a steak, not a cake!"

Don't be active to lose weight, lose weight to be active!

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -- A. Einstein


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5/7/13 9:35 A

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People are more likely to jump on board with Atkins when they see all the weight someone else has lost. But that's only if they themselves are overweight.

I delayed doing Atkins because I had heard health warnings against, but I have researched thoroughly and you just can't argue with the results.

I say do whatever works.

Joy

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5/7/13 9:30 A

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It would be laughable if it weren't so darn sad and dangerous. If you took pictures of a typical day's meals on Atkins and showed it to most people they would NEVER guess that it was Atkins. It looks too darn colorful. "Where's all the bacon?!?!?"

*eyeroll*

Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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5/7/13 8:37 A

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I am not a fan of the whole everything in moderation either. Some things just aren't good for us and it's okay to not eat them.

I still can't believe that my mom doesn't consider carrots a carb . If it's not a carb then what is it? She was bashing the Atkins diet even though it was obvious she knew nothing about it except the usual regurgitated crap you typically hear from people who haven't read the books. A no carb diet! (gasp) Hello there are carbs in vegetables you know.

The most ironic part is that she's worried about me! She thinks I'm going to get high cholesterol and heart disease from eating so much fat. Meanwhile I'm in possibly the best shape of my life. I feel fantastic and my numbers are great. She thinks I'm going to hit some magic age and fall apart I think.

Thanks to everyone who replied, I often feel frustrated when I hang out with my family. I'm getting sick of listening to health complaints that no one wants to fix if it requires more effort than popping a pill. So it's nice to hear all of your opinions.

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5/6/13 11:09 P

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Ann, I love this statement of yours:"There is a myth in our society that you can "have it all." That myth spills over to our diet where we imagine that we can eat crap food in moderation and still stay thin and healthy."

Part of the problem is that many people can't even tell what all is processed food because they never see any natural foods.

Birgit


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5/6/13 10:42 P

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I've received a lot of positive comments over the last several months - "you look great, so skinny, etc." Sometimes they ask me if I am working out or how much weight I've lost.

I never miss an opportunity to tell them how I did it. I don't care if they think I'm preachy. I am on a mission to spread the gospel of low carb.

But when they hear that I am not eating sugar, flour, or other simple starches, the reactions are precious. "No sugar? No bread? No fruit? How do you do it?" They simply cannot imagine doing without those sacred bad carbs.

There is a myth in our society that you can "have it all." That myth spills over to our diet where we imagine that we can eat crap food in moderation and still stay thin and healthy. I suffered from that myth for more than three decades, trying to lose weight through calorie counting and exercise.

I, for one, will continue to do my best to bust the myths.

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5/6/13 9:33 P

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I think so many people are caught up in all the preaching on the media about the SAD diet, the "balanced" diet - 50% carbs, etc... It's too bad - people just aren't willing to listen or read or get information. How many years have we been preached to? All of our lives, most of us and the low carb, high fat goes completely against the people that preach diets - Dr. Oz. for one...

Betty

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5/6/13 6:57 P

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Birgit, that's the PERFECT explanation of it! When you talk to someone who's really hooked on carby foods you're talking to the drugs, not the person.

Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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5/6/13 6:48 P

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There's two ways you can look at it when even well-educated people choose cake, pie or cookies over a long, healthy life. They either don't have much of a life or hope and don't know how to change that (so even sugar seems wonderful) or they are so addicted (to sugar and/or grain) that you are just talking to the drugs. Either way, it's very sad to see how common this is.

Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 5/6/2013 (18:49)
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people will only believe what they want to believe. It is hard for some people to accept that their diet is wrong.



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5/6/13 2:47 P

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This is why I avoid all discussions on diet and health in real life.

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5/6/13 2:44 P

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And then there's an intelligent, well-educated friend of mine who, when I passed on a piece of pie "because I'm diabetic," said that she was glad when she had to go on insulin because now she can eat whatever she wants and just adjust the insulin. People in general seem to think I'm nuts/strange/whatever when I say that my diabetes is completely under control with diet and that I'm very careful with my diet because I don't want to have to take pills or shots.

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This is a very frustrating situation. I have parents who are ignoring everything that they know about healthy eating, because it seems easier to take a bunch of pills, even after my Dad had a heart attack. Adults can make their own choices. I can't change my parents but I can pass on the information I have to as many people as possible, at whatever level they are ready to receive it, and those who are open-minded will be able to change when they are ready.

Birgit

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5/6/13 9:36 A

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It's a frustrating situation at best. Even in my own family, who are no slackers in the brains department, denial runs rampant. I ask my sister, whose husband is type 2, if there is ANY carbohydrate that is essential in our diets (ie. is there any "deficiency disease" associated with carbs) and she'll agree that, no, there is no essential dietary carb need, since our bodies can make glucose pretty easily from protein. But restricting carbs would mean that they'd have to give up or severely restrict bread and potatoes and dessert. Not going to happen.

Add in "doctor's orders" and it's nearly hopeless. All we can do is set the example and cheer any small improvements that they make.

Labour is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour, and could never have existed if labour had not first existed. Labour is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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5/6/13 8:12 A

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It's very sad I job a lady at church that is a terrible type 2 and she had lung issues also , so I day down with her husband and talked to him about helping to change her diet he is all for it but won't change her insulin without the drs orders, well if they can't or won't monitor what her blood sugar is doing that is dangerous, if she cuts the carbs het blood sugar is gonna drop then she will get touch insulin! Ugh!!! I just love her do much and want to help !


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5/6/13 8:03 A

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At a family event this weekend I got to listen to my borderline type 2 diabetic mother lecture me on how my type 2 diabetic/borderline insulin dependant, sedentary father need to consume "at least" 45 grams of carbs at each meal because eating carbs tells his body to stop producing insulin.

Also someone his size 190lbs and sedentary needs way more carbohydrate than someone my size. 124 lbs and super active, a cross country mountain bike competitor.

Oh and did you know a carrot is not a carbohydrate. (((shakes head)))

It might actually be funny if it wasn't killing them. emoticon

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 5/6/2013 (08:06)
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I'm a Certified Personal Trainer.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free. And it's changed my life!

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36 years old
2 kids

Keeping my blood sugar levels low on my high fat/ low carb/ moderate protein diet.


Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.

- Vince Lombardi


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