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AUNTWILLIE
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@ HOUNDLOVER1
I agree that "Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate..." is a really great book. I like that it's actually science, and not just theory.

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got.


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If you are not eating red meat, make sure you eat enough fat. Eat the skin with the chicken, etc. Atkins induction is easy, under 20 carbs a day. Get those carbs from vegetables. Break your day into three meals. Eggs for breakfast and meat and vegetables for the other two. Very easy.



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Off to check it out. Thanks!



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One of my all-time favorite books on low-carb eating is this one that I wish everybody would read who tries a low-carb diet. It really helps you avoid all the possible pitfalls (and there are a few). It takes a little effort to read everything but it is so worth it.
It just came out less then 2 years ago and is written by some of leading researchers in the field of low-carb nutrion.
www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrat
e-Living/dp/0983490708


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BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN OTHERS.




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Thanks again so much. Very helpful info. I'm going to try and find my Atkins book and reread it. I feel like I want to know the ends and outs before I start this..because I want to slip up simply because I wasn't informed. :)


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I'm glad you are here and working on getting healthy. Hopefully you find some good ideas in the many threads in this group. Some of the Atkins books are available very inexpensively from most thrift stores. Some of the newer writers on low-carb have great blogs that you can read for free.
Always feel free to share your experiences here for support and to get answers to questions you have. As much as possible look at weight loss as only a positive side effect of eating a healthy diet and taking care of yourself. Sometimes emotional eating turns out to be in part food cravings to foods that are addictive by nature like wheat and sugar or even high-carb foods in general. These so-called foods will not nourish your body, nor will processed foods, but they act like drugs in every sense of the word for many people.
I was an emotional eater for most of my life and I would argue that to a certain points that is ok. After all food is supposed to be enjoyable and in every culture around the world food is used to celebrate and enjoy company. Truly natural foods will be enjoyable without causing uncontrollable cravings. But sometimes it takes a few weeks for our taste buds to adjust. I like completely different foods now then I did a year ago or even 3 months ago.
The more healthy foods you find that you are willing to try at least twice (if possible raw and cooked for veggies) the more variety you will have. emoticon

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4/21/13 11:53 P

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You have been much help!

I think my eating once a day started when I was in high school (Been out since 02) just stayed with me..but I do know when I eat my one meal I overeat most of the time. I'm a emotional eater as well. When I was a child I was on meds that caused weight gain..and I did gain A LOT of weight..I was on this for years off and on that never helped either.


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Eating once a day is probably not ideal even on low-carb, but if you are on a ketogenic diet it will work much better than if you ate lots of carbs, because your body is already used to burning fat as fuel, meaning your body will then just burn body fat during the hours you are not eating.
If you don't mind, I'll prod a little bit, hopefully this is helpful. emoticon
When you say it is hard for you to eat 3 meals a day, do you remember when that started? Sometimes we start doing something for one reason and then continue it out of habit even when the original reason is no longer there. Did this start as growing up without frequent access to food, fasting for weight loss, eating disorder, stress, lack of appetite, other...
It is unusual for people to not be hungry more than once a day and on a higher carb diet this would almost certainly lead to weight gain for almost anyone because the body learns to protect itself from starvation.
It may help to start with eating small things like a few berries with a little cream or a few raw veggies with a few nuts to gradually get you body and mind used to eating more often. For the moment I would completely forget about limiting calories as this will make it much harder to normalize your eating pattern. If you like and it works for you record what you eat for a while and share your food tracker and someone can give you some input what could be helpful to try.
emoticon emoticon You are on the way to health, so much better than just weight loss. emoticon

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Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 4/21/2013 (22:47)
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As far as meat goes..I love chicken..turkey..turkey bacon..and fish. Love eggs as well..vegetable too. I think my biggest set back was soda which I have since stopped cold turkey..I eat once a day and was told that's not good either....but I have always been like that and still overweight. It's hard for me to eat 3 meals a day...I'm not sure if that has anything to do with weight gain though.


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Which high-fat and moderate protein foods do you like? How about eggs, cream, cheese, nuts, fish... If you can find yummy foods that are on the plan it makes it much easier. High-fat foods are the most filling and the one kind that your body can not easily convert into sugar.

Birgit

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Guess I'm weird, I dislike red meat, ill eat it if I have to but steak and bacon burgers aren't my thing lol


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You really won't miss bread when eat a bacon burger or steak, trust me.



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Exotec,
great explanation! I couldn't have said it better. Switching to a low-carb lifestyle is a lot of work at first because you need to rethink so many things. Cleaning the pantry and fridge of all grains, beans, sugar and processed foods and making a big trip to the local food bank helped me a lot when I got started. Whole natural foods in the form of veggies, meats, eggs, dairy, nuts and fruit (after carb cravings are gone) minus the very sweet tropical fruit (like pineapple, mango banana) work for most people. Some people's body's switch to fat burning at 50 grams of carbs/day, some at 80 grams, some at 10-20 grams. That's why Atkins induction says 20 grams. This is a big journey and after the first few weeks it will not feel restrictive any more. If you can afford it get your animal products (meat, dairy) from pasture-fed, maybe even organic animals as these are much healthier. But even the regular stuff is much better than beans, grains and sugar.
Also read Gary Taubes book "Why we get fat".

Birgit

You can talk to God all you want and that's great, but the changes happen when you start listening to him.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN OTHERS.




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NOWOMANNOCRY
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Lots of great info! Off to search for these books that was listed!

I really want to make this work. I want this for the long haul not temporally.


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I second NAYPOOIE's comments.

Atkins is a version of a low- (restricted-) carb lifestyle. There are several out there. All focus on limiting carb intake instead of focusing on calories. I usually recommend Atkins to newcomers because it's a structured program which starts out with an explanation of what is expected and why. It has a pretty good organization, which is important for anyone trying to make the change from our presently recommended diet (the "Standard American Diet" - "SAD") which has gotten us into the terrible shape we're in. There are a lot of sacred cows which people can find difficult to get onboard with. For that reason, the background information offered in the Atkins book is helpful.

There are other restricted-carb plans. I reviewed a great book on that subject which describes most (if not all) of the various ones, what they entail, who they're good for and who they're less likely to work for. After all, NO plan is going to bring success if you can't or won't stick with it. You have to be completely on board for any of them to work! I believe that review is posted here...although it may be on a different low-carb site. I know it's posted on the Wheat Belly forum. I'll have to find where I've cross-posted reviews.

Over everything, you MUST not consider any restricted carb plan a "diet," defined as a temporary fix. It's a lifestyle. You have to adopt it as your new standard. If you stop and go back to a previous nutritional plan, you're likely to gain back everything you've lost and lose all the health benefits the lifestyle will bring. And that, to me, is a very major part of it!

It's really not restrictive. You're not hungry all the time, so long as you follow the basic tenets. At first, it's better to just go cold turkey and cut your carbs to the bone. Fill in those calories with good fats - and ditch all the low-fat, lite, reduced-fat ANYthing you've got around! Steer clear of those useless skin-free poultry concoctions! Become blind to processed foods. Be a "perimeter shopper" - produce, meats, dairy (in moderation, depending on the plan and phase you're in). There's nothing in the center aisles, food-wise, that's worth buying or tempting yourself with. You can have any meats you like, so long as it's whole food, not processed. You can have every delicious sauce you can dream up - with lots of butter! REAL butter, not margarine. Whole heavy cream. Cheese - preferably hard cheeses. As many good veggies as you can consume, although avoid the starchy (carby) ones. No "whites", alas. That means white taters, most grains (especially flour and anything made with flour), rice, and including most beans, which have lots of carbs. Trade your peanut butter (which isn't a nut, it's a legume) for other nut butters. There are lots of them out there, and they're all just as (or more) tasty than the peanut version. And they're ridiculously easy to make from raw nuts in a blender or food processor. You don't need to buy the jarred stuff at all if you're willing to make your own. Get friendly with coconut oil. Get RID of other oils! you can use some EVOO as a drizzle or a dressing ingredient, but if you cook with olive oil it should be the standard not-extra version form, which stands up to heat better than the EVOO. Coconut oil (coconut in any form) is much better for you though, and in many forms and for many purposes. Trust me when I tell you, once you've learned what you can and can't (ie, "shouldn't") eat, it's not going to feel limited at all. People look at my food and I can see the mental gears turning..."she can't possibly be on 'a diet'"! LOL

I'm a bona fide carb addict, and it's still, after all this time, an exercise in restraint to wander down the aisles filled with delicious-looking carbs. But NO. I've been there, and I'm not going back! It does work. While I took it on to lose weight - and I've done a lot of that and still going - the thing I appreciate the most is how much better I feel, health-wise.

I will see if I can find the name of that book, and come back here and edit this post.
I hope you can find a plan which suits you, and that you will adopt it wholeheartedly and start down your own road to better health!
Best of luck, and be active with us on this forum - there's a wealth of information and personal experience to draw from to help you.
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The book is called "Living Low Carb", and is written by Jonny Bowden. It's on our sticky thread here for book reviews, along with several others. The ISBN is posted on the review, so it should be easy to locate in a library or bookseller. It's way down at nearly the bottom of the page, so you may have to scroll a bit to get to it!


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If you get a chance, read Dana Carpender's How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet and Lost 40 Pounds. Preferrably the revised and expanded edition from 2003. She writes very clearly and explains the whys behind eating low carb, and then talks about several different low carb plans. She gives a very brief explanation of how to do each plan, plus the pros and cons of each.


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Again, during Induction fruit is too carby. But there are a number of fruits, especially berries that can be fit into a low carb lifestyle. For instance, I had a grapefruit this morning. So good. Again, Atkins has lists.


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Whole grain is still carby, maybe slightly less than refined, but still high. You won't find any bread or pasta on the Induction lists for that reason.

The thing with Induction is that it breaks the carb addiction/craving cycle. After a few days with almost no carbs, most people stop craving them. I admit I still enjoy the thought of a doughnut or a good sourdough bread, but I can ignore the urge.

The other thing about a truly low carb diet is that it is an appetite suppressant. Meat, vegetables, and fat will leave you much more satisfied for far longer than bread or pasta.


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Also I gave up soda on April 4th it was a huge thing for me..I went from drinking a 12 pack each day and half to cold turkey. I drink nothing but water sometimes ill add crystal light packet. I prefer chicken/turkey over red meats. Love vegis. And I like some fruits but I read somewhere you can't eat fruit on Atkins.


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What about whole wheat stuff.

I love brown rice and whole wheat pasta over the regular stuff. I also bought some of those Arnold's round 5grain sandwich thins...this is all technically bread/starch but its all whole wheat.

Thank you all for responding :)


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Atkins is a low carb plan; there are many out there (Atkins is just one).

However, Atkins does allow artificial sweeteners (I think others do, as well), and their "ready" food has stuff in it I will no longer touch.

Personally, I stay away from all wheat-containing foods, high starch veg (corn, potatoes, peas, and the like), and of course, sugar.

Currently, I am eating VERY low carb - predominantly fish, meat and poultry. And I am eating shirataki noodles (no net carbs, super low in calories if that matters to you) for fiber, and cream and mayo, with very occasional butter.

What does everyone think? I am looking forward to hearing more, too. Glad you brought this up.

Debb :)



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Atkins is low carb. You count net carbs, which is total carbs minus fiber. For the first two weeks you keep net carbs under 20 per day, eating from the provided food lists. Your carbs should come from vegetables, again from the list. Fat is not evil, except for trans fat. Eat the fat that comes with your food, the chicken skin, the fat on the steak. Eat full fat salad dressings. Eat real food, not processed stuff.

There is a lot of experience available on this team, so if you have any questions, throw them out, someone will be happy to respond from their own experiences.


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I have the Atkins books and I'm just curious in difference in low carb vs Atkins. It seems for me at least Atkins is too hard to understand...and restrictive..but I'm willing to give it a try if I understood the Do's and Dont's better. Is low carb easier to understand? I have a good amount of weight to lose and I'm just getting back on the band wagon of changing my unhealthy ways of eating. Any advice would be great...I just don't want to get frustrated again and give up. Thanks so much :)


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