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4/7/13 10:49 P

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Let us know how you are doing and what you are eating. You can use the fat fat thread. I would love to follow how it goes for you! Here's wishing you well.

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4/7/13 9:39 P

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I am starting the fat fast tomorrow, I went shopping and have my next 5 days planned. Thursday I am going to a Red Wings Game and going to Outback before. I have to be very strong and keep to the fat fast that day big time....

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4/7/13 12:29 P

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I have a zero carb friend who is obese. She has lost over 150!pounds. She is still losing, but really slowly. Sometimes she loses nothing for a few months. But, she never gives up. She keeps on her plan. She has been overweight her entire life and will never be thin. She accepts that and is grateful for how far she has come.

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4/7/13 12:08 P

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Moxie,
I think your plan is fabulous. Really hoping you will get some good information and inspiration. Please keep us posted about what you learn.
Cheers,
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4/7/13 12:02 P

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Suzanne,
I really like your approach here. emoticon
It strikes me as extremely consistent, focusing on what is sustainable. I do not believe in setting a weight goal any more. I do still believe in setting a body fat % goal, although try to hold it lightly and not become obsessed with it. I guess as long as I see some noticeable pouch of fat on my belly (of any size) I feel I have room to improve.
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Do you think what goal we set might depend on where we are on the journey? For those of us who are still in the obese or overweight category it seems that further health benefits can be gotten by reducing body fat further.
My other thought was that it takes a lot more to lose weight than to maintain. I can maintain on 60-80 grams of carbs if I exercise a fair amount, but to lose even 1 pound of body fat/month takes carbs around 20-30 grams/day.
Birgit

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LIVINMYDREAMS's Photo LIVINMYDREAMS Posts: 3,438
4/7/13 9:56 A

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Thanks for sharing with us Moxie.

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4/7/13 8:19 A

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I'm tempted to make an appointment with Eric Westman. I live in Durham, NC where he is at Duke. Don't know if you can actually see him or an intern, but I may try. See if there is anything else I can tweak or if my metabolism is messed up. I am incredibly healthy otherwise!

I'm proud of the fact that for the most part I've kept the weight I lost off for 4 years now. However, after maintaining for quite a while, peri-menopause snuck in and I gained 25 pounds back (hunger was crazy biological). Starting July 4, 2012 I lost 18 of those on LC and then over xmas gained 7 back (still eating LC). Now lost 3 of those. I work out doing a variety of exercise of varying intensity 5 days a week.

I eat between 15-30 carbs a day all from veggies and limited dairy. I eat real food and make it from scratch. One by one I quit grains, potatoes, fruit, coffee, sweeteners, etc, etc. I'm quitting nuts (I may have a new allergy). I eat meat, dairy, fat and veg.

I have the old mantra of "Keep On Keepin' On" but I have to say it is frustrating that I am still in the overweight category. I don't expect to be "thin" as I'm a curvy gal, but in a perfect world I'd be 135. I'm aiming for 150. I'm tired of being an "experiment".

My husband asked me to make lasagna and garlic bread last night and I said it was too much work for something I wasn't going to eat (I ended up making it with the same ingredients but as a pasta casserole). He asked why don't I just give up since I wasn't losing weight. The boys asked me why I do what I do. My hubby said "Her weight is important to her". The one thing is he has loved me 135 pounds, 300 pounds, and now.

I met with a surgeon years ago to ask about skin removal but I want to be "normal" weight. She told me I'd lose inches but the weight loss due to surgery would only be about 5 pounds. Ugh, amazing! I am envious of those who have had a straight line to "goal" weight!

Thanks for letting me vent. One thing I am sure of we are all very much individual beings. I read somewhere that hunger is very individual. That made a big impact on me. Although it's upsetting when those naturally thin folks condemn others, I remember this and realize they are just ignorant in their smugness.

Edited by: MOXIE6 at: 4/7/2013 (09:30)
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4/7/13 7:28 A

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I stalled for a little over a month. I did not change anything. I see no point in lowering your carbs unless it is sustainable for a lifetime. Otherwise, you will just gain it back when you increase them.
I do not believe in setting a weight goal. I set a carb goal I could live with for life.

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4/7/13 12:41 A

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The closest I have done is 24 hours with just macadamia nuts and water. I could do that for several days if necessary.

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LIVINMYDREAMS's Photo LIVINMYDREAMS Posts: 3,438
4/6/13 8:13 P

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There is a fat fast thread that some of us have shared about our fat fast. It may be helpful.

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4/6/13 7:51 P

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I subscribed to the Carb smart Mag and read all about the Fat Fast, I was never sure what it really was, now I do.

I am considering it, not sure. I need to decide what I want to eat for 5 days that I can stand. Plain cream cheese does not sound appealing to me but melting it with olive oil and some spices on shiritaki noodles sound more appealing.

Has anyone else done this to break a plateau and what did you eat?

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4/6/13 5:37 P

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I really liked this quote from the gnolls site;

"Therefore, a successful diet must minimize the role of willpower." I would like to see everyone on SparkPeople tattoo this or Sharpie-marker it onto the backs of their hands.

Food is not sinful. Hunger is not a test. If you're hungry or craving food you have work to do: research, experiment, figure out why and how to fix it. No beating yourself up or wringing your hands.

Every change you make in your habits has to be sustainable for it to have any meaning or to have any chance of long-term success.

Stalling is just another part of the experiment. I think the info in the first link was right on the money. If most people, even on a reduced carb plan that has given them excellent results up to a point, hit a plateau or a stall, then there is something new that needs to be studied and added to the overall plan. Stalling is not, as seems to be hinted at many places, the exception. It is the rule. NOT stalling and reaching goal weight are the exceptions. It would be helpful for that to be acknowledged and accounted for in any nutritional plan.

Edited by: WOUBBIE at: 4/6/2013 (17:41)
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4/6/13 5:14 P

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wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/
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another interesting perspective on potatoes

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4/6/13 5:11 P

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Moxie, the gnolls.org website looks very interesting. I've bookmarked to read some more on there. Thanks!

Kris, I thought several years ago that I was happy with my weight and what got me motivated again was my blood sugar went up to H A1c of 5.7 and now that I've lost more fat (though not weight) I'm really happy I did. Shooting for 18% body fat right now. Not sure if it's possible but using many different types of exercise is worth it for me. I will join a track club that is open for adult beginners this month and get to try out a couple of different events. It should be fun. emoticon
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4/6/13 4:32 P

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Interesting article about stalls. I have been feeling for some time that maybe I have reached my lower limits and I'm just not going to lose any more. I have reached this same weight (around 153-157) a few times, only once did I go lower (147ish) and that was on a low fat diet. But as is the problem with low fat diets, I was hungry all the time and when I went off the diet I gained back all I had lost and more. Since doing Atkins, I seem to bottom out around 155 and stay there plus or minus a couple pounds. Could I stand to lose more? Yes, I definitely have belly flab that could go. But I don't think anyone would say that I NEED to lose more, I don't look overweight (BTW I am 5'9"). So do I accept that this is my body's set point and be happy? Or should I try some more drastic measures to lose the last 10 pounds? This has been my questioning lately, and I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm not willing to do what it takes to break through - i.e. fat fast or restricting more foods. I'm glad that I'm healthy and if this is going to be my weight then I think that's OK with me. I am planning on bumping up my exercise this summer to see if that helps, as I do suspect that my body is just too used to walking all the time and I need to engage some different muscles to see results. Maybe that's the case with other people who are stalled as well - could challenging our bodies in different ways be the answer?

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4/6/13 3:45 P

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This is an interesting response to the "potato diet"

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4/6/13 1:53 P

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Thanks for posting - very interesting article.

I am have been in a stall for a couple of months, but I am only 10 pounds from my goal. If I stay at this weight the rest of my life, I would be ok with that.

However, I may try a fat fast. I don't eat fruit or grains, and I could cut out nuts and reduce my protein without too much difficulty. The hardest thing for me would be cutting out the artificial sweeteners, which would mean eliminating coffee.

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4/6/13 1:36 P

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I read through the potato threads in the past. It does not make sense to me. If it works for people I'm not going to argue with it. I don't know why it works. But I would not recommend anyone try it if their insulin levels are in the pre-diabetic range or close to it. For me it's definitely not an option. If you try it, I would be interested to find out how it works for you.
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4/6/13 1:21 P

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Did you check out these links? It is sort of tempting to me to try this for a few days to see what happens. But maybe I should wait until I am all done with radiation first and see if things change on there own.

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Very interesting read and a very important topic to tackle to help all of us get as healthy as we can.
I didn't comment there because it's an older post from last year. But one thing that occurred to me is that exercise was not mentioned (or did I miss it?)
I suspect that most people who experience a stall do exercise, but maybe not enough? I also believe that hypothyroidism is extremely common and very often undiagnosed. The cause is not always autoimmune disease but can be a lack of iodine or selenium, sometimes brought on by a heavy toxic load on the body. That was my situation. All this made me unable to exercise much or with much intensity for a long time. Another thing I found out recently is that a dairy intolerance (possibly only to one type of dairy, A1 dairy) can possibly seriously affect insulin production and even cause type 1 diabetes as well as other inflammatory processes in the body which may affect muscle building and heart rate.
Our bodies are sophisticated machines with many variables. Atkins can never stand alone but needs to be integrated into an overall healthy life style. I don't have all the answers, not even for myself. My current strategy is to combine paleo principles with a ketogenic diet and some cardio and some strength training. My body fat percentage continues to drop very slowly, about 1% every 2 months.
I found this link which is about paleo but think it might contribute to this discussion, just a short video interview by Sean Croxton:

undergroundwellness.com/why-paleo-fa
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Hoping we can keep this discussion going for a while. emoticon

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Thanks for the link - very interesting read!

The comments were pretty interesting as well. Mr. Stockly has much more patience than I. XD



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I am in a stall right now, I was on steroids and my weight is steadfast, it does not matter what I eat, it stays the same. Very frustrating.

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Glad to know I'm not the only one but I wish there were concrete solutions!

I'm going to keep at the Fat Fast (modified or otherwise)

I'd be interested to hear other's comments on this!

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