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Exotec, my own experience with nutritionists has been worse than with physicians. I hope you have insurance that covers the visit. If not you may want to find out ahead of time what types of diets this nutritionist usually recommends, the staff who answer the phone should know.
Best of luck with that,
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Our insertion into the low/restricted carb lifestyle came by prescription of our endocrinologist. I was sorely dubious of it at first, since it sounded so askew of the SAD recommendations. Even he can't let go of the low fat concept, although when I tell him I'm not going there he doesn't quibble. I suppose he figures he's done his part to warn me! LOL Since I was so dubious, I started researching on my own, and the first solid article I found was from a cardiac surgeon who'd promoted the usual guidelines for all the long years of his career, even when he came to realize they were wrong; now he's come forward to set the record straight. It's been a cascade of other affirmations from many sources since then (regarding the digging I've been doing).

I think doctors are beginning to at least be willing to hear the "new" viewpoints. There are good ones out there who do understand, and give good recommendations. As someone else mentioned, it can be tough for them to keep up with the most current knowledge - especially when it's not even "accepted" yet by their various specialties. The sheer volume of material they're expected to assimilate is unbelievable. I certainly WISH for more, but I can hardly fault them if they aren't on the cutting edge. I'm in the veterinary field, and my dad was a (human) GP, so I know whereof I speak. Even for someone in my position (before I retired), getting my 20 hours per year of continuing education to keep my certification is a daunting task. How much more so for doctors, much less specialists? And they have the added burden of the pharmaceutical companies sending reps with samples and in-house seminars (which naturally promote their products with "research" designed for that specific purpose). The most efficient method to keep current (and accrue your required credit hours of continued study) is to attend large conferences where many speakers and topics are available. Sometimes this can be new material...but more often than not, it's still the accepted standard and the speakers' views on some particular aspect or a bit of a study. Lots of topics aren't even "medical," for that matter. Some have to do with the legal and business aspects of the profession. With the way government and insurance companies have inserted themselves into things, it's no wonder the doctors and other healthcare professionals can't keep up with the true medical information - especially anything new and divergent, however accurate or promising that information might be. Do I want to have my doctors on the cutting edge so they can give me correct directives? of course! Can I expect it? sorrowfully....no.

As for the ducks...I think the best you can do is to provide "alert" animals. Geese are pretty good for that. Guineas are also noisy and raucous when anything unusual happens. They use some types of sheepdogs for animals, but whether that would work for poultry, I haven't a clue. The dogs will drive away predators...but they may also develop a taste for eggs (if they don't already have one). The alert birds are only going to make noise so you can go out and attend the issue yourself. Geese are good watchdogs toward people...they'll chase you and give some nasty pinches! but whether that translates into protection against raccoons or foxes or coyotes (or neighborhood companion-pet marauders) is open to interpretation. If you have a secure henhouse and can be around to safeguard your flock, that would probably be best. Chicken tractors are great, except they're limiting in the number of birds you can house in them. Henhouses also only work if your hens are socialized; they have to come to you to lock in for the night. We had some that were truly free-range, and even though I fed them, none of mine ever allowed touching or holding, even though I'd hand-raised them from chicks and fed them in my lap. I've seen other flocks which are completely "pet-quality!" I don't know how to get to that point. It's moot anyway, since we ended up feeding our local hawks nice plump hens until we no longer had any. We don't live in a place I could have any now.

I hope we can look forward to better info from our healthcare providers in the near future. Along those lines, I'm scheduled to see a nutritionist next month, so we'll see what sort of recommendations I receive there. I'll be very sorely disappointed to hear the standard spiel...but I have hopes, at least.

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Thank you for this thread. It has been helpful on all fronts. My doctor appreciates my willingness to research but doesn't always agree with my decision. If he was hard core I'd have to search for another doctor because in this day of age, if you need anything..you do need a referral.

After reading all posting about ducks, I don't think I'll raise anything. I know about tractor coops but we travel weeks at a time in the summer. I was hoping that raising ducks could be less intense as we have a pond and if they flew into trees or possibly there is a duck box that preditors don't get into we could do that.

I've learned hard way that others do not take care of livestock even when being paid, as you do. Guess I'll just willingly pay the price and keep a young farmer working.

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We have the homestead part of what used to be a hog farm and my chickens and ducks freerange during the day and then camp out in the barn at night. When I had turkeys I kept them in a giant dog pen with a mini barn. I occasionally have issues with hawks, but since we we started keeping them in the barn at night I don't lose them to foxes or coyotes any more. We do lose eggs to skunks or oppossums once in a while if I don't keep them pulled. My husband had to go out and play big game hunter last month.

If you don't want to mess with a chicken coop, you check out a chicken tractor. You can have fresh eggs and let the girls mow your yard at the same time. It won't work for ducks because they have to be able to swim and be able to have access to drinking water that goes up over their nostrils.

I had several kinds of ducks, most of which ended up in the freezer last fall. As layers, I kept a Pekin female but she wouldn't lay until I went to the auction and bought a drake to keep her company.


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Concerning ducks, don't keep them if you have predators around. We have very few predators and just lost one of our ducks to a raccoon. Domestic ducks don't fly very well so are defenseless.
Birgit

Edited by: HOUNDLOVER1 at: 2/15/2013 (12:35)
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DARIAKAVAL,
thanks for your very enlightening comment. It makes sense that physicians can't be experts in everything and the most important thing may indeed be someone who is open-minded and will learn from their patients' experience.
My doctor who strongly suports a low-carb lifestyle is the only one in our area who does. She does part family practice and part non-surgical bariatric clinic, has only been practicing for less than 9 months and she is scheduled solid 6 weeks out,LOL.
My guess is more doctors are going to find out this is a very good field to earn a living, maybe not the highest paying but lots of patients looking for someone who cares. emoticon

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They talk about low carb lifestyles in medical school nutrition. It's a small section given there's a lot to talk about and this one is an easy topic to discuss partially (how many low carb diets are out there, lol I just saw a list of 30). Really the main discussion was on make sure the fluid intake is sufficient, and they tend to get headaches without salt initially and feel hung over with this issue. They lack many of the free radicals and other fruit/plant nutrients commonly due to carb restrictions and poor choice in carbohydrates when they do consume (how many times did you swap a few carbs for something not in the raw vegetable/berry/nut state?). How many of us get in a rut (I saw a poster who only eats ground beef [hamburger girl]... that's it) They didn't dispute the weight reduction leads to lower cholesterol, bp, diabetes etc. Actually suggested insulin resistance made the diet harder to follow, but also may be good for pancreatic life (needs studied). After a physician graduates, they have to do 50 hours of education a year or so. They get to choose the topics. So if low carb is not an interesting topic, or they can't find "approved (the learning counts to those 50 hours of education)" courses for it (never seen them myself), they don't count and often with everything else going on in their life they don't know much about it. Sorry folks. So just find an interested physician/nutritionist/etc. Heck, I saw a poster who asked his cardiologist. The cardiologist probably ranks surgical procedures he needs to study greater than low carb lifestyle. It's not always pretty to discuss this, but it's valid.

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You don't have to live in the woods to have raccoons. My mom's hairdresser has to clean raccoon poop off his steps every morning, and he's in the middle of town. Not a real big town, but still at least six or seven miles from the nearest patch of woods.

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Pink,

I've been thinking about raising ducks. I live in woods so we have predators like coyotes, raccoons..hawks, I want to raise them for the eggs and breeding and meat. What breed do you raise and how do you protect them at night?

RE Raw...we also have the ability to raise our own so we can get raw. But after years of raising cows on half's..me doing the labor..I'm not able to do all that needs to be done with them. And so far I can't get neighbors who also have raised in past to be my partner with animal in their yard...Chickens are dear to me but w/o coops we can kiss them goodby. That is why ducks have come to mind..

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My doctor didn't actually recommend low carb to me because she hadn't mentioned my losing weight, but I asked her about it (she's from India as well as a lot of others) and she said that was fine, that it was being proven that it did work well. Her only cautionary advice was to "watch the cheese, a little goes a long ways". But, she was all for it otherwise.

And having just had blood work done again in January, and all of the numbers improved, she was happy about that too, in face, I didn't even have to go in.

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My GP is the first to admit that she had about 6 weeks of nutrition total in med school. I like that she's willing to admit that. Since I have crohn's disease she lets me do what works for me and since my cholesterol and glucose numbers are at rockstar levels, she doesn't have an issue with my low carb/paleo ways. My GI actually advocates that way of eating with juicing the veg that I can't tolerate the fiber on otherwise, so I probably get a bit higher levels of carbs than some who follow atkins but nowhere near what the food pyramid recommends. Fine by me as I don't do well with rice, soy or corn anyway.

Indiana doesn't allow the sale of raw milk, per se, but you can use the milk from a cow or goat that you own. Many people get around it by buying a share of a cow. They're working to make it legal to sell, but it takes time. I haven't gotten into milking my goats but we do sell our duck and chicken eggs. Fortunately unless I sell 1,000 dozen at a time, there's no rules for that.

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I like the low-carb food pyramid much better than the regular one, just would chop off grains and legumes completely. What should be higher up or lower down depends a little on the person.
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I am a farm girl -- or at least I was until I moved into the city, and I still haul hay and move sprinkler pipe in the summer.

One side of the family raised beef cattle, the other had a dairy, and on our mini-farm we had raised sheep and pigs. Meat, eggs, cheese and whole milk at every meal.

I was always a big kid -- by 6th grade I wa 5'8" I was never a little girl, but I wasn't fat either. I didn't get fat unti l got to college and learned the high carb way. Then I had the dietician roomate that low-fatted my way to a 20 lb gain, then eggs became bad . . . . The good old food pyramid we eat from that is also used to fatten animals for slaughter. The low fat, low proteirn, high carb way just doesn't work for me.

My dr. is from India -- when I first started going to her, I had lost 50-60 lbs, she was sure I would gain it all back, that I would end up with cholesterol problems, that I would never hit onederland. I wouldn't say she is totally on board with Low Carb, but she is open-minded and respects that it works for me, and I know she has offered Low Carb as an option to a couple of patients that have struggled with their weight for years.

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nice pyramid, but I think I'd shuffle fats and nuts below low sugar fruits and put veggies up a notch or two


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How funny Moxie..I feel for my GP's also...lol

No, Alabama...but I belong to a food group who purchase from amish farm in PA and we keep our ear to ground about what is happening in areas of raw..

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www.low-carb-life.org/low-carb-food-
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Thought I'd look for a LC food pyramid......

Dixie, do you live in NC? I know many here who were secretly driving across state lines smuggling raw milk. Interesting change!

When I consulted a young dietitian about LC she said have to research it. Then she said not to go below 150 g carbs.

However some folks I know who are in integrative medicine as health coaches do offer it as one of many plans to choose from.

I have yet to see my obese GP since going LC. I feel for her......

Edited by: MOXIE6 at: 2/14/2013 (14:33)
I am starting my ticker again since starting low carb....in the home strech!
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I live in rural area (isolated actually) and I do know many farmers. The farms that are making the $$ are corporations..some even owned by other than u.s. citizens. Most of the individual milk and beef farmers make a reasonable living considering the labor they put out. Others do not. Most of us already know we need to support the local markets that let individual farmers sell. We need to show our support to the grass root farmers who are not all into the super-farming ways. God Bless the ones that are organic.

One of my doctors is acceptable of Nutritional Ketogenic eating, my other doctor says he expects he will bury me soon because of my choice of eating nutritional ketogenicly. They are practicing on us..after all:)

BTW North Carolina just passed a law making selling RAW milk and other items like cheese etc, legal..Go Carolina's...let us hope all states will embrace free market..

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Thanks for linking that article. I had a good laugh. emoticon
Everyone's trying to jump on the bandwagon now.
Just like this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74AxCqOTvg
Looks like the American Diabetes Association and American Heart Association will jump on the bandwagon only once the masses have already done so, ROFL.

I agree that farmers should start growing more veggies and raise dairy, egg and meat animals on pasture.

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Good read, Nay.

I wouldn't worry about the farmers all that much. You can make a lot of ethanol from all that wasted corn.

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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The farmers can start growing vegetables and meat.

Read this yesterday, sounds about right. rdfeinman.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/s
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Houndlover, I love that you track your body fat percentage! And that you have a horse picture :)

Doctors don't know everything. If they did, they wouldn't have recommended smoking cigarettes 50 years ago. I think you're right. Sugar will be the new enemy- eventually. Or maybe it won't-- how else will American farmers survive but for the sale of grains and corn?

Good luck in your endeavor.

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I have read on Jimmy Moore's blog that the number of low-carb blogs, even those written by physicians is literally multiplying. I assume from this that there are a lot more conferences for physicians where these things are talked about as well. emoticon
I can't wait for the moment when low-fat diets are considered so dangerous for most people that health care providers can't use them any more. I think it will happen if patients become their own advocates and demand information that is accurate.
In the US this usually works through the free market. Already many people I know refuse to see a family physician because they can't find anyone who supports them in a healthy lifestyle. I found someone less than a year ago, one of only two people in our area (of about 60.000 people) who is knowledgeable about low-carb eating and functional medicine. And I don't live in some underdeveloped rural area but in a community with two Universities.

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I think that they are good with low carb but as someone says don't really know how to do it right and they still think low fat, which of course you can't do both. I am really wanting them educated about the whole cholesterol situation. We need a paradigm shift with that!

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My mother's doctor recommended that she do a low carb diet, however I was disappointed that he didn't educate her on how to do it. She would have shredded wheat and milk for breakfast and say that it was low carb b/c it only had 20-something carbs in it. ....sigh....

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My husband is in medical school, and when he went to his professor, a medical doctor, to ask for a recommended plan of action for me (I don't lose weight on low calorie, low fat meal plans, with exercise, I literally tried everything I could think of aggressively for the last 5 years) this professor, who is a doctor, recommended reading "Why We Get Fat and What We Can Do About It", a book about the science behind low carb. He also suggested I see a gyne colleague of his who deals with female weight management through a low carb lifestyle.

Some doctors, even those who teach medical school, do suggest a low carb lifestyle.

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I was surprised that the author of Wheat Belly, Dr. William Davis, is a cardiologist. They were the ones always preaching low fat diets in the past. Now with all the increased medical technology and research, maybe the truth will come to light. You can't argue with success.
Look how long that food pyramid was existence, and the rates of diabetes just kept getting higher...
I see my low fat touting D.O. tomorrow...Should be interesting...

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You know, truthfully, I haven't seen my doctors in a couple of years. Yeah, I know, but as long as nothing's wrong I don't bother going, and now I'm on an expensive insurance plan, which means I'll probably put it off even further.

However, when I DO go next I am going to ask him and her how they feel about low carb as a lifestyle and if they ever "prescribe" it to patients. They're pretty down to earth people who don't like prescribing a lot of drugs when lifestyle changes will fix the problem (though they do end up doing that when the patient resists any changes *cough*DearHusband*cough*).

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?


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No I haven't, but I tried the induction and even though it only last 3 full days and many half days, failing at dinner time; nearly there, I have been feeling good, lighter and have a more positive attitude to weight loss. So I believe that the doctors should finally come round to the fact that there is something about low carb, that works.

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I've heard of several cases recently of physicians recommending low-carb to their patients. Could it be that there is light at the end of the tunnel?
Did anyone else hear similar things?

Birgit

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