Thanks so much for clearing this up for me! What I bought were some low carb bagels from a company in California. I should have known better than to get them. Oh well, live and learn. If I get them again it will not be anytime soon for this reason but also because the shipping was more than the cost of the bagels themselves.
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Calculating "net carbs" in vegetables by subtracting the amount of fiber from the total carb content is fine. It takes extra work during digestion to separate the fiber from the rest of the carbs and therefore slows down the rate at which sugar is released into our system.
Doing the same calculation for an Atkins bar does not yield the same result. Usually, any fiber is not an integral part of one of the other ingredients. Therefore, once it ends up in the "wet" stomach, the fiber immediately separates from the rest of the bar, and so do the other carbs.
There is therefore no slow release of carbs and the full load hits us right away, resulting in a big insulin dump, followed for many of us by blood sugar highs and lows. That's why I consider "net carbs" to be a marketing gimmick that allows Atkins to push products that really do not fit the protocol but sell well.
These products often "redirect" a food addiction from regular chocolate bars or other sweets to Atkins bars. They do little to solve a weight problem.
Edited by: MONADM1 at: 2/5/2013 (22:19)
Highest weight ever: 220 pounds. Followed the IP protocol from June to December 2012 and lost 58 pounds.
In Maintenance mode since January 2013. Still eating very low carb (25-40g per day), but with increased fat intake (avocado, nuts, cheese). Have been able to almost maintain my weight. Regained about 12 pounds a year ago during a period of high stress, then maintained that new level.
Now down 4 pounds since May 2014, although still eating "maintenance" levels of food.
I am not close to goal weight and for the sake of sanity I do give into some things.
To my suprise I like avocado with heavy cream icecream with cocoa powder and stevia. I can fix one or two popcycles and enjoy one a week. It might slow me down on the scale but I've decided I am not running a race..I'm walking a lifestyle.
When I say slow...I'm talking I've held current weight loss since Jan 20th. But there is just now evidence that the scale wants to adjust 3 lbs down again. SLOW but heading is right direction.
Great point about portion size. That is a slippery slope for sure. I find that as long as I stay strict on carb control I don't pig out all day because I'm not starving all the time. As soon as I start trying to get over on the diet and eat some very questionable foods I find that I stay hungry, which is a sure indication that my pancreas is working overtime and I'm riding those sugar highs and lows.
The devil for me are those "low carb", Atkins chocolate ice cream bars. They will push me right off the top of the hill. So, I can't eat those very often at all and only after I have reached my goal weight. Once I am at my goal weight I can eat something like that infrequently but, it's a gateway drug to high carb foods.
Good answer Falconbrother...I use to try and condone plenty of low carb "net carb" count foods. But like you say, the reaction shows on my blood glucose test strips. After awhile I realized it slowed my already slow weight loss plan down.
It also causes me to get sloppy on portion size control. Once in a great while I indulge in low carb crackers (4 per serving) but am conditioning myself to cut cauliflower into thin slices as a go to cracker now.
Well, I think this is an area where there is room for fudging on the numbers. The way I do it is subtract the fiber number from the total carbs. There is some voodoo in the thing about the sugar alcohols etc.. I don't trust that part because I have read conflicting stories about this. I keep it simple, if it looks and acts like carbs, it is carbs.
In fact, the real issue is how it affects insulin production. If it says low carb but, it causes your pancreas to start kicking out insulin it's going to cause weight gain. Some test have apparently shown that the prepackaged "low carb" foods cause insulin production just as bad or worse than the real stuff, such as "low carb" bread.
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