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8/25/17 4:34 P

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One thing that I think most of us have found over the years is that it takes a lot of tinkering to find what works ideally for each of us, and that all these plans are simply a jumping off point. The real key is to find what works for you year after year. It's not enough to LOSE the weight; you have to LIVE the lifestyle for good.

As you point out, Keto and Atkins are very similar in the first two weeks and then begin to diverge. But don't forget that the current Atkins plans are not all that similar to original Atkins '72. Here's what DADR 72 says comes after the one week induction phase:

What Happens After The First Week’s Diet:

Most diets are fixed formulas and are therefore short-termed and self-limiting. This diet is fixed only for a week. After that – because it must be a lifetime diet, it is, as variable as are individual tastes.

I’ve labeled the additions of carbohydrate that follow’ second level’, ‘third level’, ‘fourth level’, ‘fifth level’, but in fact the additions are interchangeable and flexible. You can make any of these additions any week that you choose. I am so committed to making this a livable lifetime diet that I am letting you select your own variations, within the rules set up by your biological rulebook.

Put back what you’ve missed the most: The idea is simply to gradually return to your diet first what you missed most. Custom-tailor the diet to suit your carbohydrate additions to suit your lifestyle. All that matters is that you add back to your diet a little carbohydrate at a time, and that you stop adding carbohydrate when you reach your CCL.

How to know when to put back a little carbohydrate: Ask yourself: Are the keto-stix still turning purple? Am I still un-hungry? Have I stopped eating at night? Do I have more energy? Am I still losing weight or inches nicely?

Remember, your tape measure is a lot better friend than your scale, not only more accurate, but better able to report on the actual fat (not just temporary water) losses this diet achieves.

The Second Level: Cheesecake for dessert? At each level, remember you add approximately five to eight grams of carbohydrate daily for a week and analyze the results. Most people agree the best way to handle the second level is to add cottage cheese…

The Diet Revolution Vegetables (not for level one): All of the above plus; Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Beet Greens, Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Chard, Chinese Cabbage, eggplant, Kale, Kohlrabi, Mushrooms, Okra, Onions, Peppers, Pumpkins, Rhubarb, Sauerkraut, Snow Pea Pods, Spinach, String Beans, Summer Squash, Tomatoes, Turnips, Water Chestnuts, Wax Beans, Zucchini Squash

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8/25/17 7:05 A

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Though Ketogenic and Atkins diet, both essentially work on the same principle of consuming low-carb foods, it's how they work and provide you benefits, where they differ.

In the initial phase, both the diet plans are quite similar but in the later stages of Atkins, you may increase the number of carbs.

Also, Atkins diet has been linked to some side effects that people were getting sick and over a longer period of time, it actually led to weight gain.

Check out this article which lists out the differences quite descriptively: www.foods4betterhealth.com/ketogenic
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3/14/12 3:07 P

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I know you can eat quite a few green leafy vegetables and add virtually no carbs. I use kale, broccoli, arugala, swiss chard, any dark-leaf lettuce or spinach either raw or stir-fried in coconut oil with my meats. I like to make it spicy with hot sauce and also add sesame oil, garlic, turmeric and onions a lot. Very yummy.
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3/14/12 3:01 P

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I'll try adding a bit of extra fat- I'm not sure how to lower my carbs much- I like variety and bacon, eggs, meat and cheese gets old after a while despite the fact I love them. Thank you.

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3/14/12 2:54 P

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AKHEIDI,
I would try a combination of things. Lower the carbs a little more if you can, but mostly increase the fat. 1500 calories is very low for a low-carb diet and I would increase that to at least 2000. If you are hungry you are very likely not eating enough fat to feel full. Also, if that should still not work at all after 2 weeks, you may want to have your thyroid checked. Hypothyroidism often makes people weight-loss resistant and it is extremely common. Eating natural and organic foods will often help because your body does not get bombarded with as many hormones and other dangerous chemicals.
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3/14/12 2:39 P

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I do have the book- but I still wound up going over- and my net carbs are less (most of the time), I eat loads of salad and other veggies- they add up. If I back off, I'm starving all the time. I haven't had any fruit and I miss it- that is what I used to snack on. I need to get 10 pounds off- even 5 at this point so my clothes will fit- they are a bit tight.

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3/14/12 1:15 P

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AKHEIDI, it sounds like you may have skipped the induction phase of Atkins, which is only 20 carbs per day for at least 2 weeks. After the initial 2 wk period you choose whether to (slowly) add in foods while watching weight loss/ketone strips, or to stay on induction a while longer. I want to get rid of the weight as quickly as possible so I plan to stay on induction until I am within abt 20 pounds of my goal weight, then I will move to the next phase. Do you have the book? It explains it much more thoroughly than I have :)



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3/14/12 12:56 P

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It sounds like you may need to reduce your carbs...I know my body goes out of Ketosis if I go over 15 net carbs a day...it's kind of depressing.

Some peoples' bodies are just fickle like that.

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3/14/12 12:25 P

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I have been on the New Atkins for 3 weeks and have only lost a couple pounds. I've been at or under 1500 per day (95% of the time) and am staying at 50 gross carbs (most of the time) or less (net carbs are all over the place depending on what I ate that day and the fiber content), and have been walking a lot (new puppy). I use those keto strips and have never gotten above 'moderate' on the scale and most often it's in the 'small' range. It's pretty depressing. . . last weekend I fell off the wagon and had more carbs than I should (I did count the chips I ate. . .)- even with the continued walking I had gained 2 pounds when I got on the scale this monring. What am I missing?

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3/14/12 11:24 A

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Have a happy birthday!!!rum and diet coke technically have 1 carb a drink so enjoy!
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3-19-13=156, 5-17-13 =145, 6-7-13=139.5 yeah! 8-19-13=148.5, 9-2-13= 150.5, 10-19-13=143, 11-12-13=140, 1-13-14=146.5, 3-26-14=148, 6-28-14=157, 7-24-14=149, 9-24-14=143.5, 1-12-15=164, 2-28-15=149, 4-21-15=142.5, 6-26-15=138.5, 7-22-15=146, 8-24-15=151, 9-15-15=144.5, 11-1-15=137, 11-29-15=143, 1-4-16=151.5, 1-26-16=144, 2-24-16=150, 8-15-16=162.5, 1-4-17=169,8-1-17=174, 9-7-17=180, 11-17-17=185 Happiness is a deci


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3/14/12 9:26 A

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Thanks, for the advice!

Well, I did a lot of research on the ketogenic diet for weight loss and decided it would be a good idea because it also helps with epilepsy. Originally I thought I could have veggies, but my trainer said that I can't. Since I have celiac disease, my intestines don't absorb nutrients that well...and on this diet, a multivitamin just isn't cutting it.

I still want the amount of weight loss, I'd just rather a more rounded approach than fats+protein and nothing else.

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I would go ahead, enjoy your birthday, read up about Atkins, and start it on Monday like you said.If a ketogenic diet is without vegetables, it is a huge difference from Atkins. I am in 2nd week of OWL, and eating 27 net carbs a day. That's 8 servings of vegetables a day.



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3/14/12 9:09 A

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Well, I've been trying to come up with a game plan, but it has gotten pretty difficult. It's my 21st birthday, so my husband is dragging with me and all my friends to the bar O.o

I think he is trying to make me a low-carb, gluten free cake which is nice.



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3/13/12 10:23 P

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Any diet with carbs under 50 grams/day will put most people in ketosis. Atkins builds in a little safety margin with 25 grams/day during induction. For me it was easier go gradually lower my carbs from 100g/day to about 50 grams/day.
If you cut grains, beans, and most fruit as well as very starchy veggies like potatoes it should work.
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3/13/12 9:16 P

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Have a great birthday!

You might consider deciding ahead of time (like on Wednesday) how much off track you will get and in what way. Will you have a drink? If so, what kind and how many. Will you have ice cream and cake? If so, how much and what kind. And so on. Allow yourself to get off track, but within limits. It frequently helps keep you from straying too far.

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3/13/12 9:14 P

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Thanks for all your help! I've decided I'm going to start Induction after this weekend...I keep trying to start it now, but my birthday is thursday and I just KNOW I'll keep getting off track...



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3/13/12 5:30 P

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welcome to the forum!
I don't think that I am burning fat (with ketones) for energy...but am still losing weight just more slowly. I am eating less than 1,800 calories and less than 100 carbs a day. I have only lost about 5 pounds could be just water weight...my scrub pants feel loser. So I know that I have lost fat weight. bizi

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3-19-13=156, 5-17-13 =145, 6-7-13=139.5 yeah! 8-19-13=148.5, 9-2-13= 150.5, 10-19-13=143, 11-12-13=140, 1-13-14=146.5, 3-26-14=148, 6-28-14=157, 7-24-14=149, 9-24-14=143.5, 1-12-15=164, 2-28-15=149, 4-21-15=142.5, 6-26-15=138.5, 7-22-15=146, 8-24-15=151, 9-15-15=144.5, 11-1-15=137, 11-29-15=143, 1-4-16=151.5, 1-26-16=144, 2-24-16=150, 8-15-16=162.5, 1-4-17=169,8-1-17=174, 9-7-17=180, 11-17-17=185 Happiness is a deci


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3/13/12 5:14 P

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Well, idk the difference between the two (I always thought any low carb program was a keto diet) but, I am on Atkins induction right now. Induction is 20 carbs or less per day, at least 64oz of water. The majority of your carbs should come from vegetable - he has a list of acceptable ones for induction and lists how much of each you can have. I usually end up just eating lots of salad since I like it :)

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3/13/12 2:23 P

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You might take a look at Jonny Bowden's "Living the Low Carb Life: From Atkins to the Zone" or Dana Carpender's "How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet and Lost 40 Pounds." They both discuss different low carb diets, though I don't think the Ketogenic Diet is included. They may give you an idea of which low carb diet would be best for you.

If you go down to the Induction Challege Forum and look at the first entry, it will give you the rules for Atkins Induction. The second post gives a link to the acceptable foods for Induction. Then you can compare it to your Ketogenic Diet.

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3/13/12 1:48 P

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I don't know the specifics of each of the various low-carb plans. If you can't stick with your chosen variety at the beginning, you're not likely to be able to maintain it afterwards either, though. A few weeks is one thing ... months is altogether different.

I have no idea what name to put to the diet I've been prescribed, other than it's low-carb. My take on that is that any of them have an initial induction period of really low carb intake (about 30-50g per day). What else you eat during that time is variable per the particular diet. If you're having difficulty with the one you've chosen, I'd research some of the others and see if you feel they'll work better for you. You know how your body reacts to various foods better than anyone, so you can predict whether you're likely to be able to lose weight if you eat dairy, for example.

So long as you restrict your carbs to begin with, I feel that you can modify to adapt the rest to your personal needs. I have heard some pretty good things about the "new" Atkins. It might be worth a try ... and it's a structured plan that would be easier to manage while you get used to the new lifestyle.

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3/13/12 1:20 P

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I'm having massive amounts of trouble staying on the keto diet...and I am considering switching to the Atkins diet...but I was wondering if there is a huge difference in the two?

I know with the keto diet, it's basically just pure induction for 2 months (from what I've seen), but are there really any other differences. I know right now I can't really eat veggies or fruits which is killing me.

Any thoughts/advice would be lovely.

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