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4/24/14 3:05 P

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There are other groups that will probably help you and I better. I agree with you I don't need the negativity either emoticon Linda

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4/24/14 11:50 A

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I'll bet your son loves you as much my daughter loves me but I have to tell you if my dear daughter brought me "the best apple fritter in town" I would have thrown it at her. LOL
It's very difficult I know but if you hold onto knowing how horrible you feel eating like that, it makes it a bit easier to pass up.
I feel like I'm stuck in quicksand when my blood sugar gets very high. Sometimes it takes a day or more to get back to normal. Occasionally I have luck eating something that has no carb for my next meal (like a big salad).



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4/24/14 11:04 A

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my son came to paint my house yesterday, as a special treat he had stopped and bought me "the best apple fritter in town" i had a cup of coffee with him and ate the apple fritter, knowing i would be sorry and i was. i didnt do any testing but i ruined my day eating that on an empty stomach and the first meal of the day, i bet it was 100 carbs in one blob, my sugar must have skyrocketed, it left me with no energy, no desire to even move, and a certain amount of aches and pains, i sat at the computer all day. i tried to eat a little for lunch but it seemed to just add more gas to the fire. he accomplished my whole house painting in 4 hours, i accomplished nothing. by night i even felt like i was starting with a bladder infection. this is a quandry any one with sugar suffers, gifts, parties, luncheons out are so tempting and can be so hard on our bodies. we are human and its hard to say NO and not treat ourselves sometimes, but we need to choose our battles and not hurt ourselves as diabetics when "fun" arises. emoticon

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4/24/14 1:14 A

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50 carbs a meal would be heaven to me, my doctor has me on 30. This is unattainable for me.
I have a low tolerance to animal protein, have a rough time digesting raw vegetables (although I love them).
Going to a doctor, dietician, nutritionist etc. would be more helpful if one was treated as an individual and not as part of the herd.
Now I am looking for another doctor, in the meantime I am educating myself.

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2/16/14 2:18 P

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I've been a diabetic for 14 years, but I'm no expert. All I can tell you is start to keep your carbs under 50 grams per meal and see how you feel. Unfortunately, for every one of us, this battle is personal - every diabetic seems to have different issues with carbs.

I've lost a little over 20 lbs. since I started SP again on January 1st. Both my health and my weight have been major struggles, especially the past 10 years. I lost 65 pounds in 2004 and thought I was on my way to living a healthier life. Then reality set in and I gained it all back.

I am feeling much better since I've dropped some weight and trying very hard to keep my carb level on track. My BS numbers are much better. That being said, this is still a daily struggle for me. For instance, I am apparently coming down with the Death Plague that my daughter caught at college and my sugars are higher than normal no matter what I eat. As soon as I'm done typing this, I'm going to the store to buy some broccoli and zucchini. I love them and so does my blood sugar. Going to get some fish as well and eat them until I feel better or fall down in my bed and can't get up. Ok, enough drama ;)

One more thing - it's okay to eat a salad with some almonds and a little shredded cheese or egg salad for breakfast. If you are stuck in carb lover's heaven, as I am, try some different things and see what happens.

Good luck and good numbers everyone!

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2/14/14 1:50 A

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Everyone is different in their needs, due to physical condition, energy level, food reactions. Plus, some people, what worked last month may change later due to how much weight you gained or lost. Even lifestyles, someone in AZ sweats more, and someone in Canada doesn't. We just need to listen to the body, if your in pain, or have no energy, you need to try things differently. There are way to many variables to consider for one standard. 50 carbs leaves me with no energy, and brain fuzz. 150 carbs spike my sugar levels, and makes me nervous. I change things up everyday. One day I eat more protein and fat and drink more water if I feel hungry. Next day, I eat more fruits and veggies and have coffee or tea along with my water because I am not hungry. Just start with one food Item, see how your body reacts to it, if it works out to be a positive reaction, put it on your list of good things, If you gain weight or it spikes your sugars, it goes in the never eat again list. Work in more variety of choices to get in all your nutrients. My biggest hurdle was exercise, the more I did, the more it changed my eating habits, and intake of medicine. Always monitor and log all activity and journal food. So you have a way to share more with your doctor, and they can give you more accurate advice. Best wishes to you all. I was on two different Insulin meds last Sept. Was on them for ten years. Then I decided to take my life back and fight. I went from only being able to walk a treadmill 3 minutes, to now I have logged 100 Miles on it, in one month.

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Stay with the 45 carbs per day and try not to eat too much bread and potatoes. Even though they are added in the 45 carbs they seem to elevate my blood sugar. It works. The weight comes off inspiite off medication.

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2/13/14 1:59 P

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this is second attempt at this challenge so pray for me. I was told at the beginning of my diabetic journey to try to have about 45 grams of carbs per meal. I was good at it for a while but lost interest.my weight has not gone down, and I have read that insulin that you inject causes you weight gain. what to do?

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2/11/14 6:47 P

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I just read the whole thread..wow.
Everybody is different. If I eat any starch or fruit, I crave so much, I end up wrecking every good effort I've made toward eating healthful meals.

Low carb works for me...by low carb I mean getting my carbs from mostly cruciferous vegetables and other leafy greens.
It absolutely works for me. Since July 2013, I've lost almost 80lbs.

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2/11/14 3:59 P

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I was always told that it's the carbs, not the sugar, that I should watch when I eat something. I was also told that, of the item has fiber, that cancels out some of the carbs.

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hi I'm eating about 65 carbs a day , I eat ever 2 to 3 hours till I get 6 meals in and I have done good with this . also I see my doctor to keep her informed

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2/5/14 10:45 P

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I am reading this thread, and was struck by the post stating that her "body is just going into ketosis and this will pass". If you are in ketosis, this is a serious medical emergency. I know the very low carb diets say this is fine, but from a medical standpoint, it is not. Please see an endocrinologist and a dietician to get an eating plan that will work for you.

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2/1/14 12:51 A

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i EAT ABOUT 100 CARBS A DAY AS WELL, SOMETIMES UP TO 150G PER DAY & I'M DROPPING WEIGHT....... emoticon

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2/1/14 12:49 A

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i USUALLY EAT DINNER LATE, LIKE 7:30 PM & HAVE FRUIT AND A FIBER ONE BAR AT NITE.

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1/28/14 11:49 P

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Walked a ton today; but still had to get to my art class which is an easy 20 minute walk there and back (and not raining!). BS for after dinner was 4.3 or under 100 Yea!lllll Finally!!!! Now if I can just do that a few more times; things may be back under control. Thank goodness for food tracking with SP so I can see what worked. Have Faith! You too will get it under control...just be patient and ...informed! emoticon

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I just read this whole thread. Please work with your doctors and the other medical professionals. It is your responsibility to communicate with them. Make sure you tell them your perceptions and don't forget to ask questions. The Spark plan is good, but we weren't stamped out of a mold. Sometimes the fine tuning is essential.

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Its finding the middle ground of bout 100 carbs per day that is the balance that seems to work forme. I slipped last night and had a high carb item (g-d it was good); but Judy's advice is great. Keep up that fibre and the carbs wont seem so tempting; works for me 90% of the time. emoticon

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1/23/14 1:59 P

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I'm in full agreement with Funchi - - You need to have fiber in your diet which you will get from your fruits, vegetables, whole grains - - popcorn is a great evening snack with lots of good fiber. You can also have 1/2 a sandwich on whole grain high fiber bread. You have to eat enough fiber and plenty of non-calorie fluids to keep your digestive system working correctly. I would never think of going lower than 100-150 carbs per day.

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1/23/14 1:19 P

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eat more fiber at dinner or snack on popcorn

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1/17/14 4:45 P

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hi my name is Ellen. And I'm new to this group. I've been having problems with a lot of hunger in the evening. Does anyone have suggestions? Thanks!

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the weekends are so hard to avoid and control carbs. emoticon

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If I go over 100 gms a day, I am subject to have consequences during the night, like stabbing pains in my toes.

Christmas Eve I ate lasagna and a piece of caramel cake and had burning in my legs all night.

And it is like waking up from a drunk the next morning.

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Have you looked at the Atkins site? Their recipes tend to be very "clean" eating: meat and veggies. It's all designed to be low carb so maybe you'll find something that is interesting enough to satisfy your craving for something that doesn't feel restrictive. I have a family of young kids so removing pasta and breads don't necessarily work for us but I have found things on the Atkins site that everybody in my family will eat without having to anchor it with a starch.

I agree with the others on this post, it does take a couple of days but after a while you will begin to notice that you aren't as tired and foggy. It's a great feeling! One step at a time, you'll make it : )

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I have been following the plan given here and it works for me. You have to have enough carbs a day to get the old body going. We just have to do what makes our body healthy and fit. So everyone find your plan that works.

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What I've learned as a diabetic is that one plan doesn't fit all. I gain weight if I consume 130 gms. of carbs on a regular basis. I need to lose weight. Consequently, I aim for 85-125 daily. I haven't gained weight doing this and I am losing VERY SLOWLY. However, I feel great and I am getting into better shape with regular exercise. Pay attention to your body and how it responds to your choices and consult the experts when you need help.

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I've been type 2 diabetic for 3 years. I agree with the postings about find what works for you. Eating a balanced diet is very important. You need each nutrient so cutting carbs completely is not good for your body.

Your not a failure until you quit trying.

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50 seems pretty extreme, I would say 150 is a good low-carb diet. Extremes may pay off in the short term but can have negative long term effects.

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I am newly pre-diabetic, and have been at minimal carbs for only a few days now. Today was easy, tonight was hard. I feel like Im absolutely STARVING, even though I know Im not. I want like 20 pieces of toast , but I know this is just my body going into ketosis and the craving will pass. Carbs and sugars are monitored VERY closely at every meal.

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Very interesting information. I have switched to rice cakes and I seem to be able to eat quite a few of them and still loose a small amount of weight. I haven't necessarily been distributing the carbs just being conscious of eating foods that are low in carbs, ie avocado, tomatos, rice cakes, steamed vegetables, tofu, Fage Greek yogurt too. Plus, I drink half and half in my coffee. Obviously, I am a lacto-vegetarian, once and a while I have some cheese, but I'm 90% vegan most of the time...I'm working on being 100% vegan....in good time.
I have 20 pounds or so to loose, but I started noticing a difference when I switched to the above food groups.
In terms of eating various meals per day, being pre-diabetic, I eat whenever I feel edgy or need to. I want to work on eating at certain times.
So again, thanks for your advice. I will just joined this group and will commit to logging what I am consuming at least 3 times per week.
I feel very positive...so we'll see :)

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I think Coach Tanya gave an "on point" answer about how many carbs to eat. I will add to that and say "your mileage may vary". I've been a Type 2 diabetic for almost 14 years. Do I have everything under control....nope; still working on it. I've found too that the more things change, the more you have to change right along with it. If anyone is confused about what they should eat and unable to find (or afford) a nutritionist or dietician, don't give up. First, check with your local hospital for a diabetes support group; they usually have dieticians and/or nurses who know about these things. Second, buy the best book on diabetes you can find; or, subscribe to one of several available magazines that support persons with diabetes.

It's YOUR life and you do want to live it in the best way you can. Don't give up!


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Hi, the no sugar at all has been a challenge. Making different choices,

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Hi Everyone, My name is Teresa, friends call me "T"

I appreciate all the postings! I am encouraged to see such great discussions. Just the kind of group I'd like to be a part of.

I've been a diabetic about a month. Learning and practicing a lot of new things. From no exercise to a goal of daily exercise. From eating whatever to more healthy eating by the counting carbs way. From no water to at least 8 glasses a day. Tracking daily blood sugar readings.

I've got a long way to go ~ making lifestyle changes in eating, exercising, tracking and loosing 162 extra pounds that I carry around every second of everyday!

Edited by: T-START-307 at: 7/25/2013 (10:39)
T from Woodland, Washington

Goal ~ 145 started at 307
Start 17 Diet ~ July 25, 2013

Goal ~ plan, follow the plan, celebrate, evaluate, repeat
Goal ~ a lifestyle of exercise
Goal ~ a lifestyle of drinking 8 or more glasses of water
Goal ~ a lifestyle of tracking blood sugar,
and carbs/starches that effect the blood sugar levels

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7/17/13 11:44 A

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I actually tried dropping down to 50g carbs total a day. I also lost that 3# in a week and it was back the next.
Another thing gone? My energy. I had none.
So I am back to 80-90 and feeling better.

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Very nice Millifred! And encouraging...I am pre-diabetic, and absolutely want to skip meds.

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I'm with you Pam....Since following the SP Diabetic Plan, I am loosing weight and my Glucose continues to lower. I have already lost one of my insulins...I am extremely pleased!!!

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I read the whole discussion (and possibly debate) going on here. I am pre-diabetic so I am very interested in "how low should I go". I have read the articles and suggestions as well and I will look into them further. I think the bottom line is that what works for one person doesn't always work for another. If I have learned anything about this disease it is about management. For the time being, I am following the Spark Diabetes Meal Plan while I am in this 8 Week Challenge. As long as I am losing weight in a healthy way (which I feel that I am) and the FBS gets into the normal range, what else is there?

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I tried eating 60 Carbs per day for 10 days. Lost 3 lbs and gained them right back. I believe it was water weight. Although I didn't lost weight, my sugar readings were excellent. Have since gone off the low Carb eating and my sugar readings are rising, but also because of the Easter Holiday, I have been eating candy. So, I don't know what is best for me...I know being on Insulin is a terrible weight gain that I can't seem to get control of...

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I'm just getting into this group, but from what I've read here I think maybe I don't want to. I don't need to read all the negativism and arguing that's going on in here as I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't need it either. I think maybe I'll just find a different group.. Thanks but no thanks.



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Team, I feel as though a flame-war is getting started here! Please remember we are here to support each other.

Fitness trainer recommendations will work great for some, Atkins/South Beach for others, standard recommendations for still others. Some of you count every gram of carbohydrate; others count only the "bad" sources like starches and sweets; yet another group uses carbohydrate exchanges, which are different from grams.

We all have different combinations of health and lifestyle issues, so no one plan will work for all of us. If you have any real concerns about a diet or nutrient component of your plan, you should really take it up with the doctor or dietitian who knows you and your situation. I know I can send an electronic note to my doc if I have a real issue, and she answers quickly.

PLEASE, be kind to each other and accept our differences!

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Everyone has to find the amount of carbs that works for them and their particular health issues.
My endo and cardiologist have both recommended 80-90g carbs for me. This is what works for me. I am allowed 2 small servings of fruit a day. No grains, cereals, rice, bread, or oatmeal.

The ADA diet mentioned here is the American Dietetic Association not the American Diabetic Association that doesn't recommend any particular diet. Their web site says to eat what works for you. Very sound advice.

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Each person should work with their medical provider and Registered Dietitian or Certified Diabetes Educator to establish the best nutritional plan for their individual medical conditions. It is recommended that you eat at least 120 grams of carbohydrates each day from fat free/low fat dairy, fruits, veggies and grains. Please check with your medical provider to be sure about the diet prescription and if it is in fact 50 grams a day, please ask for a referral to a Registered Dietitian for nutrition education so you are sure to get all the key nutrients as well as help with meal planning.

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Then take that up with Dr John Berardi and the other fitness professionals who do a fine job helping people out and getting people in the best shape and health of their lives.

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I was completely med free for my diabetes for three years until I developed toxic shock syndrome from a surgeons error and ended up having problems once more. I know I did it once and I am doing it again; I'm pretty sure right now that if I stick to the recommended diet and do at least a minimum of exercise I have once more reversed my diabetes. A weight loss of even five % of ones body weight along with exercise can do it!I know what got it going again and I have conquered the problem. You are spreading what could be dangerous information about diet to people who are susceptible and vulnerable because of their disease.

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I do not follow the ADA recommendations since they kept me on meds. I know you are making it up, I am saying that is not the only option either. I do not take any meds. Except supplement mainly fish oil and BCAA.

I would rather follow the dietary advice of fitness professionals who do a much better job at applying peer-reviewed scientific journals. I do not think they are wrong either. Why do I want to keep spiking my insulin all day if I want to loose fat. As insulin is the hormone for fat storage? Especially as I do not take any meds to help that out. You just stopped taking insulin this week, that is not the same, and I do not see how you reversed it if you still are taking insulin except for this week. Be completely med free for a few years with normal range blood sugars and that is what I consider reversed.

I follow the Precision Nutrition diet program by Dr. John Berardi. I only eat 50g of starchy carbs after strength training. If my blood sugar drops, I eat bananas and a Tb of honey. Otherwise I do not eat starchy carbs. I do not count non-starchy vegetables in my carb intake.

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I have reversed my diabetes following the Spark guidelines and had to stop taking my insulin this week due to too many hypoglycemic episodes. I have now been off of it for three days with normal fasting and post prandrial blood glucoses. I fI continue to follow the program I expect to stay off insulin and continue to lose weight.

I am not just making this up about what can happen if you do not eat enough carbs; I am basing it on medical facts and research. The ADA does not recommend that anyone eat less than 130 carbs per day, anyone can look it up by googling ADA recommendations.

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I definately appreciate health professionals, but if I ate 50gr per meal, I would gain weight and be back on medication.

Dr. John Berardi from Precision Nutrition, his program is to earn your carbs after strength training. So, you only eat carbs after a workout NOT every meal. Many sports professionals follow his program as well. Other fitness professionals(Metabolic Effect blog, Jillfit Physiques, Jason Feruggia, John Kiefer, Lyle McDonald,etc) advocate the same approach to carb intake as well. I am looking to reverse my diabetes, not stay a diabetic. Sorry, but that is just not true unless you already have a problem. The diet is not to do cause that unless there is already an underlying issue already present.

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I just read this whole thread and felt the urge to chime in here! To start with, I'm sure the original prescription was for 50 carbs per meal which is standard for all diabetics. The kind of carb you eat will make a difference as fruits and fruit jucies as well as crackers and probably rice will tend to raise your blood sugars higher. If you cut your carbs to far you are risking having problems with brain function as well as dehydration and electrolyte imbalances which can cause things like heart attacks. I am writing this from the perspective of a health professional as I am a Nurse Practitioner. I really worries me when I see people and especially diabetics go to extremes with diets. The guidelines given on the Spark program for diabetics are sound and if followed will work for all of you

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yep i was told by my endo's pa 32 carbs a meal

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That's exactly how I try to eat - of course I slip every so often, but for the most part I do OK. Portion control is my big issue, followed closely by those slips. I'm getting much better about acknowledging a little slip and regaining traction before it becomes a toboggan ride down a whole mountain!

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Then maybe you should try a long-term low carb diet by restricting starchy carbs that woulld reduce thyroid output.

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Ah, I see. That regime wouldn't work for me, I NEED to reduce thyroid output. I have an autoimmune disorder that causes me to overproduce T3 and T4 (the thyroid hormones). Medication has it in balance but if I try carb cycling I'd likely mess up the balance - and that is decidedly not a good idea.

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My main sources for diet, over than here, is Metabolic Effect blog and Precision Nutrition by Dr. John Berardi. Here are some links on that info that restricting carbs long-term will reduce thyroid output. Metabolic effect's carb cycling for fat loss is my favorite diet plan. Hope this helps.

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You caught my eye with that mention of eating starchy carbs to keep a thyroid level up, as I have thyroid disease. What have you read/heard about carbs and thyroid? I've been told to avoid non-fiber carbs as much as possible because of mine.

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I do not count carbs for non-starchy veggies as starches have the most impact on blood sugar and insulin levels. I only count starchy carbs at 50grams or less per meal when I eat them. Most days I do not eat them but cycle them to get the benefit of low carb, but to also keep the thyroid levels up by eating them.

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I'm late in replying but the 90 carbs is 90 grams of carbs.


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I really can relate and feel for you. I am also on fast acting insulin 4x a day and a long acting at bedtime. Last week when I started I lost three lbs and already this week one is back. I have had an issue with not eating enough calories and thereby going into starvation mode, so if I were to eat 50g of carbs a day I definetly wouldn't get the calories in. My numbers aren't controled right now because I am also on steroids - sounds like a mess, I know.

I also started weighing in kg because the number is so much smaller and for some reason isn't as devistating to me to weigh 123.6 kg instead of 272.7 lbs. I am feeling right on the verge of desperate with this second day in a row of gaining. Last week I lost 4 lbs and now it is coming back! I have to weigh everyday because of congestive heart failure.

So, as I said, I feel for you and encourage you to hang in there and know that taking the path to a healthier you is a great thing. Focus on the changes you have made (I know, I need to do this too) and please treat yourself like you would treat a good friend.

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I was looking at the recommendations on the SP Diet Friendly Dining link, yesterday. SP recommended 500 calories max for restaurant dining, and one of the recommendations was for TGI Friday's grilled salmon. That looked delish until I saw the carb count: 57 carbs for a serving of grilled salmon. I realised that I can no longer dine out based on calories alone - 57 carbs is a lot of sugar that they put on that fish! The sugar came from the basting sauce as well as the mango salsa that was served with it. What a wake-up call. So we went to Chili's and I ate the Enchilada soup with a green salad, then had a home-made tuna salad for dinner. It was all good.
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Lots of good info and encouragement here....thanks!

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50 Carbs per day??? That is hardly anything but veggies and fruit and even those have carbs in them. I would seek the advice of a nutritionist, they can be very helpful in helping you set up a healthy, low fat, low carb plan designed for you. It is very differcult but so worth it!! I struggled for years with weight, diabetes and more. Lost 75 lbs came off all meds and insulin. Today I only take vitamins and maintain my weight. It can be done with HELP!!
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If you are a diabetic you should check with your nutrionist before to change your diet plan. Nutrionists set up plans for the individual needs of that person. What might be right for me could not be right for you. Your body burns differently from mine, reacts to insulin different.
Good health is a balancing game. Everything in moderation, portion control and eating right,
Getting enough sleep ,keeping stress down, and keep moving!! it is not easy to always balance but as a diabetic you have to for yourself!! Take the time to take care of YOU!

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My Nutritionist told me 45 Carbs per meal and 15 for 2 Snacks per day. I gain unless I eat like a Rabbit. I can only do that for so long. I am on fast acting Insulin before each meal for the past 6 months and slow acting at bedtime for 10 years. The Insulin controls my sugar readings, but the weight gain is severe. Also, terrible muscle aches, I believe from the Insulin. What a struggle - I now will try the 50 carbs per day and see what happens, because the guide lines I have been following do not work for me. Apparently my Liver is producing sugar - so it is like I am eating teaspoons of sugar all day long. Today I am not a happy camper because the 3 lbs I lost are right back again. Thanks for listening...

Because of the Insulin I test 4 times a day only before a meal.

For testing after a meal - wait 2 hours and then test...

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How long after you eat to you test - I'm sure that would probably vary from person to person but just a general idea.

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I am interested in the low carb eating group. Did you start that group and how do I join? Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks. emoticon

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learning how certain carbs effect people gives a new light to sugar checking after eating. sometimes all carbs come at on e meal and somedays they are spread out.

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emoticon Again, thank you. I hope I will be able to learn how certain carbs affect me. Thanks for the encouragement. Best to you too on your endeavors. emoticon

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For me, it's not so much how many carbs are in a food, but the type of carbs. Spaghetti raises my sugars, macaroni does not. White potatoes do, red potatoes don't. Oranges do, bananas don't. Flour does, whole grains don't. etc. etc. etc. This whole diabetic 2 thing, is a whole new way of eating. Good luck - you will find what works for you. emoticon

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Thank you. This information is helpful and freeing because everytime I didn't follow that exactly I figured I had failed yet again. Just to be sure I understand you when you say 90 carbs a day you are refering to carbs or gms?

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The advice your nutritionist gave you is a good starting point. However you have to find what works best for you. It is trial and error. My sweet spot is around 90g carbs a day.
This includes around 40g fiber.

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Yes, I understand what you saying. My numbers were with understanding that 15gm of carb is 1 carb. So in that system 3 carb would be 45 gm. The nutrtionist that talked to me at the hospital said that in general 3-4 carbs per meal and 1-2 for a snack, (45-60 gm per meal) I do agree that it is probably best to spread them out equally. Thanks for responding.

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I fear you're mixing rules. 50 carbs a day doesn't work with the meal distribution you listed. 3+2+6+2=13, not even close to 50.

Since we have trouble processing carbs, it makes sense that we should avoid large doses, so I think it's wiser tho spread them through the day as evenly as possible. Really you should check with your doc or nutritionist though - you may be confusing carb grams with exchanges and the numbers are totally different.

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I am new to SparkPeople. I have a question about the carbs. Do the 50 carbs have to be spread out evenly or can I 3 carbs for breakfast, 2 for lunch, 6 for supper and the rest for snack, based on the diabetic 'rule' of 3-4 per meal and 1-2 for snack? Thanks for any insights. emoticon

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Atkins Phase 1 advises 40g/day but that only lasts 2 weeks. Phase 2 increases carbs gradually until each person find their personal balance point where they lose weight at a reasonable rate and feel good. Carbs are increased again, gradually, when it is time to shift to weight maintenance.

Atkins, according to my doc, is no more unhealthy than other deficiency diets. In order to lose weight we must eat a deficiency of something, be it fats, calories, or carbs. The one that fits me may not work for others, so I urge that we all accept that our paths may diverge but we are all heading to the same place - HEALTH!

I close with this encouragement to the original poster: low carb can be done and if your doc recommended it I hope you will apply yourself to giving it a real effort. You may well be different from me, but if it does work for you, the initial challenge will be well with it.

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Wasn't Adkins 60 carbs a day - and that was decidedly unhealthy - but then . . . .

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Wow! Even my nutritionist told me anywhere between 35 to 45 carbs a meal. Are you sure he said a Day and not per MEAL? I would check with your doctor again.

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Trying to find an abundance of LOW CARB meals that will be FUN ...if that possible. It's a daily challenge to find items that are healthy for most people with our planning, but, it's another world when I look at some of the fruits and other foods and realize I can't have them if I want to keep my Carbs low for the day. So, I am slowly getting to the point where I will put all my nutrition in for the next meal and THEN LOOK to see what are the lower Carb choices....BEFORE I EAT.

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Hmmmmm. Dr. hasn't established a max carb intake, so I follow this program. I have discovered white potatoes are out, yams and whole-wheat pastas are in. Most of my daily carbs come from my morning bowl of oatmeal. 8-)

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You can do it!! I struggle with my sweet tooth...badly. I joined the Sugar Addict challenge group to help me curb my sweet tooth cravings. There's a lot of great advice here from the people that have already replied. Just remember the goal- a healthy lifestyle!

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Keep the faith. It will be hard at first, but you can do it. I went gluten free, and it cut my cravings! Anytime I eat gluten, I feel like I want to just eat more gluten. I stay off gluten, and my cravings are pretty rare these days. I lose weight better, too.



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It's not easy, especially if you have one of the "syndromes" that cause cravings, but you CAN do it! My mom (who is not diabetic) limits her total carbs to 40 grams per day when she wants to lose weight. Unless your doc is monitoring you shouldn't do it for more than a few weeks at a time.

I have done it for up to 4 weeks straight (with doc's approval). I find that planning is critical, and that the first four days are the hardest. I don't feel too good those four days but once you get past that (convince your body that YOU are in charge!) I feel FANTASTIC. I have more energy and my mood improves, and I can concentrate better.

My first trick is to use the food tracker on here as a planner - I know what I have in the house, so I put what I want to eat tomorrow in the tracker tonight and see how the numbers come out. That way I can adjust before I pack lunch or swallow anything, and it is easier to deal with hunger if I know what I can eat and that it's there when I want it.

Another trick for the first few days is to let yourself snack within the plan. If you get hungry, eat a few bites of your next planned meal early, especially a component with a little fat in it (fats extinguish hunger even better than sugar).

My final coping "thing" - when you are having difficulty, do two things: focus only on your next food decision - just one decision. You can make ONE decision a healthy one when you are focused on it; Next, hang on to the memory of that good decision! When you hit the next "rough patch", think about being able to make that one good choice. Even if you slipped in between, you know you were able to make one good choice, so you can make another. Soon you will have a whole bunch of them to remember, and it will be easier.

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1/14/13 1:37 P

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SKAYBAKER,
I am diabetic and was able to get off my medications (which I took for 10 years and was at maximum dose) by going low carb. It is worth it. One needs to avoid the obvious carbs like the plague. Protein and fat however can keep you from feeling hungry, and there are some "interesting" low carb things one can make that are almost like bread, my wife just had some of that with cheese for breakfast.

We are starting a new group, that focuses on long term low carb eating, I'll send you an invitation.

James


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Final weight : 168.2 pounds (July 23, 2013)


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1/14/13 1:33 P

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Look up a list of low carb veggies, also focus on meats that are healthier and prepare in ways that are better such as grilled, baked, etc. Fruits are also something I have to watch since they tend to raise my blood sugars, however, there are some that are better than others. For me, things like berries work well. Bananas are a no no! It is possible although quite difficult. I know cause I am trying hard to once again limit myself too. Since beginning the insulin just over one year ago things have changed once again and I find myself having a very difficult time with yet another change in how I eat. It is quite frustrating to figure out constantly... especially with my other limits which now make it difficult for me to do much of anything like I did at one time.

Fiber will help you feel full... if you are just starting a high fiber diet ease into it slowly to allow your body time to adjust.

I rarely eat bread. Oatmeal also raises my blood sugars.
It is a matter of adjusting you taste to things that will help you to feel better for the future.

I wish you all the best!

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1/14/13 12:40 P

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My doctor has me on 50 grams of carbs a day, I am pre-diabetic. I have already blew it this morning.

I have no clue on how I will be able to do this.

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