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But isn't it amazing how the homosexuals, lesbians and transgendered still try to work their way back to God's plan of be fruitful and multiply? Of the partnership, one assumes the role of a man and the other assumes the role of a woman. There are many ways they try to be "married".

We need to remember that their sin is not any better or any worse than any of our sins. They are just as imperfect as any one of us. What we need to do as Christians is to encourage them to not sin. That is why we should not attend their ceremonies. That would be encouraging them.

We all have different paths. So pray continually . . .

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Unfortunately, Gays have pushed the perimeter so that they cannot be discriminated against when it comes to adoption. Lesbians also have that option, but they can special order the Father of their child from a fertility clinic.

They then go through the birth experience.

Some of those couples have a dominant personality who in all ways but physically, is the "man" of the family. The "wife" is the one who is artificially inseminated and is the "mommy". The other alternative I've seen is for one of the women to be artificially impregnated and 18 months to two years later the other partner goes through the same process.

I can't even imagine what would go on in the heads of children with a couple like that. "Who's my Daddy becomes a much more difficult question to answer - as opposed to, "Child, your father gave up his life for our freedom" or even "Your Daddy was killed in a car wreck when you were just six months old". Even those answers cause a big obstacle to get around, especially when the child gets old enough to start asking her/himself, "What if?" or even more difficult, "Why did God take my Daddy away? Didn't He know I needed him? I can't go to the Father and Son Baseball Banquet."

The truth is that if the child is told, "Well, I'm not really sure who your actual father was. You see, I went to this special doctor and described how I wanted you to look - and whether I wanted you to be a boy or girl, and he injected me with the sperm of a man I never knew".

The truth shouldn't be so traumatic. I can not imagine what I would feel. The loneliness an answer like that would engender would be massive. Not being a Psychiatrist or Psychologist, I can't even imagine what they would say to a patient.

It would almost always have an impact on the relationships the child formed with others, and when the child was older, the relationship between the child and a member of the opposite sex.

I know that young children are only concerned about being loved. Every single teenager I have ever known comes to a point in their life when they focus on their opposite sexed parent to get clues on how to react as a man or a woman. What clues do they get from Dad #2 as opposed to Dad #1? Or how my two mommy's act.

It's hard enough with both parents of the opposite sex to work your way through puberty and into the full bloom of adulthood as it is. Being the "child" of a same sex partnership would start to be bad by about 9-10. When the child hit the teens, it could become excruciating.

For me, since that situation exists in our extended family, I sometimes find it very difficult to love the sinner. I have absolutely No Problem hating the sin.

Every time there is a family gathering, my youngest son can't make it over the barrier of his feelings to be able to distinguish between the sin and the sinner.

I can understand that. He liked the one who was related to my DIL. She lived in Iowa and his business was here in KC. He had planned to speak with her at the next family gathering, but she "came out of the closet" prior to the family get-together. As a young Christian man he was stunned that he could be so close to evil and not even sense it was there.

I told him he wasn't the only one. When my oldest son told us, I felt as if the Law of Gravity had been cancelled and I was floating off into space. I did have another point to consider. I had to think how I would react if I experienced what her father did. I knew I wouldn't stop loving my child and I would probably be able to separate the sin from the sinner, but .....

I have acted "parentally" (I know it isn't a real word, but it's the only thing I can think of to describe my actions). When I see the two of them, and their two innocent children, I don't start condemning the two of them. I don't get close to them emotionally.

Iowa is one of those states that recognizes same sex marriage. When we received a wedding invitation I thought it was incredibly lucky that we had spent the non-refundable fee's on a vacation. We wouldn't have attended the wedding because we couldn't approve of their partnership. I thanked our Lord for giving us a real reason not to go. I know it would have caused a strain on the marriage of my oldest son if it looked like we were deliberately shunning my DIL's sister.

Enough. There are more people than me who are a lot closer to situations like this. A friend of my DW had/has a daughter who has completed the basic medical procedures to change her into him. Her name was Jody. His name is Joe. It was brought before a court and the name change was granted. Father, I can't begin to understand that, either. You made her perfect and somehow evil tainted her soul.

My blood pressure is up high enough that I can feel it. So, adios, mi amigas. Vaya con Dios.

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My Sunday school lessons taught me that the book of Genesis started out with God's Plan, be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth. Our free will messed that up and we ended up tossed out of the Garden because Adam and Eve chose to eat off the Tree of Knowledge in an attempt to know everything and be like God. Then sin entered into our lives and we were promised a Savior. Now we need to get back to God's Plan of being fruitful and multiplying. If you are a same sex couple, right off the bat you are going to have trouble doing that. It does not take a bigot or hate to figure that out. God started out with his desire for humans to have families. And we need to get back to that simple concept. What a shame that liberals have complicated everything so much that they have taken the fun out of everything !!!

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I have had a number of "discussions" where "liberal Christians" have told me that God's Commandment for us to "Love our neighbors" means whether they are Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual or Transgender. When I point out that is exactly what a good Christian does (love them) but they are guilty of picking and choosing Bible verses and using them out of context, I wait until the firestorm goes away and remind them that we are directed to hate the sin - which sends them off like a rocket again.

At this point, they usual try to get me to believe that if I truly loved one of these people, I would accept their lifestyle for what it is and that I have no right to judge, if I kept to my belief it meant only that I was a bigot. I admit I've not the right to judge them but that Jesus gave us the mental capacity to differentiate between good and evil and if we Believed, our hearts could also see.

If the Devil is your next door neighbor, there is no way that we could stretch that command to include loving the Devil. We must fight him with all our might and call on God for His strength. The Bible has made a Great Big Point that the behavior practiced by those types of people is sinful and goes against God's Principles.

Then they try to "convince" me that "Love is All There is" and if two people truly love each other, then it has to be good.

Smothering my urge to puke, I give them Chapter and verse citations and quote each and simply tell them they are wrong.

SOME go so far as to point out that Jesus stopped the stoning of an adulteress and dispersed the stone throwers for her. If Jesus could love this mortal woman, we should follow Jesus' actions. That one I just quoted Jesus' directive to her, "Go and sin NO MORE". When they recognize I have used God as Jesus, our elder brother in the form of a man, the crowd usually disperses. The ones that remain I ignore as they are either fools or agents of the Devil - or both.

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1/10/14 11:27 A

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Amen and Amen to both of you, Popeye and Sal. I long ago noticed that few (if any) of the liberals I knew seemed to be living by Christian principles Monday through Saturday. It's truly an easy task for any Christian to refute every single liberal socialist principle using Bible scriptures to prove none of it lines up with God's plan for the way His people should live. I love your point about the way they change the rules to conform to their behavior, Sal. This is exactly what they do, day by day. No wonder our gov't is so huge ... it takes one bureaucrat per oppressive liberal to keep up with changes necessary to accommodate each liberal. Even a 1:1 ratio of gov't bureaucrats to "commoners" (?) won't be enough for them. No wonder it seems the Constitution is treated like it's made of silly putty ... the Ten Commandments have been treated that way for millenia.

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One of the biggest problems that liberals have is that they worship the god of change. Our Ten Commandments have been the same for thousands of years. Our God does not change. Liberals have "rules" but they are subject to constant change caused by the god of that moment. From their point of view, they can change anything so that they can get to heaven. Conservatives know that the world does not work that way. We sin, we repent, we are forgiven and the rules are never changed to accomodate us.
Liberals do not sin, do not repent and forgiveness is unnessary because the rules are changed to allow what you did to be the correct thing in that situation.
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Just Liberals.

I chose the answer behind door number three, just liberals.

CatholicVote.org commented on HuffPo's headlive:

"Pope Francis raised a lot of eyebrows Wednesday after saying all people who do good works, including atheists, are going to heaven."

At least, that’s how the Huffington Post interpreted Pope Francis’ Wednesday morning homily.

Here’s what Pope Francis really said about atheists:

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The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.

Apparently, HuffPo doesn’t understand the difference between redemption and salvation because here’s how they reported on the pope’s remarks:

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists…

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don’t believe will be redeemed, and the Pope’s words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.

Reuters interpreted the pope’s comments in a similar way:

Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions – or no religion – work together…

He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

“Even them, everyone,” the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. “We all have the duty to do good,” he said.

“Just do good and we’ll find a meeting point,” the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest…

Francis’ reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.

No more than an hour went by and an inquisitive Presbyterian friend of mine emailed me with a link to the HuffPo story. “So doing good on its own is enough for salvation in Catholicism?” he asked. In response, I sent him two links that clarified the pope’s words.

The first link I sent him was this blog post by Fr. Dwight Longenecker. Here is what he wrote:

" The Pope is simply affirming certain truths that any somewhat knowledgable Catholic will uphold.

First, that Christ died to redeem the whole world. We can distinguish his redemptive work from the acceptance of salvation. He redeemed the whole world. However, many will reject that saving work. In affirming the universality of Christ’s redemptive work we are not universalists. To say that he redeemed the whole world is not to conclude that all will be saved.

Secondly, the Pope is also affirming that all humans are created in God’s image and are therefore created good. Yes, created good, but that goodness is wounded by original sin.

Thirdly, he is affirming that all men and women are obliged to pursue what is beautiful, good and true. Natural virtue is possible–even obligatory, but natural virtue on its own is not sufficient for salvation. Grace is necessary to advance beyond natural virtue to bring the soul to salvation. The Pope does not say atheists being good on their own will be saved. He says they, like all men, are redeemed by Christ’s death and their good works are the starting place where we can meet with them–the implication being “meet with them in an encounter that leads eventually to faith in Christ".

The second link I sent him was this one from Catholicism.org’s Brian Kelly, who was actually writing in response to a Catholic Online article whose headline read: “Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!”

Here is what Mr. Kelly said in response:

Pope Francis did not say that an atheist who does naturally good things can be saved if he dies an atheist. Yet that is the impression given by Catholic Online’s half truth headline…

The Pope… simply reminded the faithful that there can be, and is, goodness, or natural virtue, outside the Church. And that Christ’s death on the Cross redeemed all men. He paid the price so that every man could come to God and be saved.

If Catholic Online is insinuating that Pope Francis has “reformed” the irreformable dogma, outside the Church there is no salvation, then that is shameful and disingenuous.

At the end of the day, could Pope Francis have been a little clearer about what he was trying to say? Sure. That’s the risk of delivering off the cuff sermons. The real fault, I think, lies with the theologically-illiterate press corps, whose understanding of basic Catholic doctrine is so infinitesimal that it is increasingly unable to report on the Catholic Church without completely embarrassing itself."
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From my own personal conversations with people claiming to be "liberal Christians", I can believe what the HuffPo wrote.

I have had "liberal Christians" tell me there is no Devil emoticon

I have had "liberal Christians" tell me they didn't believe in portions of the Bible, but it was OK because "men make mistakes"? emoticon

I have had "liberal Christians" ask me, "Why did God do this (anything painful) to me. I've done everything He has asked of me - and this is my reward?" They don't recognize evil as another force in our world, why should it surprise them when they can't explain it in any way other then "God did it!". As a character in a book I read said, "God hain't got no truck with evil!"

Immediately upon my presenting Biblical verses that proved what they said was absolutely not Christian dogma, I was attacked as being a racist (Sumerians are black and the Bible uses them as in example in the parable of the Good Samaritan), homophobic (remember Lot and all that with the pillar of salt thing?), that I was bigoted (because I followed the teachings of the Bible as the literal Word of God) and just plain evil (that one got me, but I think I figured it out. I was evil because I believed that evil was incarnate in Satan, maybe?)

No, I think true liberals who claim to be Christians are really fake. They say they are Christians to validate themselves, but at best they are Christians of the lukewarm variety.


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