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You guys are too good to me. emoticon But I am kind of happy that some good came out of my not-so-well researched post. emoticon

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Val - I am glad you posted, it produced a good discussion with some very good links.

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Great discussion resulted from your post though.

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LOL Val....no need to apologize! At least we know what to do to avoid kidney stones! (and the title is kind of misleading!)

Edited by: CINDYSUE48 at: 9/22/2009 (22:47)
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A positive spin-off from your post tho' is some excellent information.

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Okay guys, I'll have to admit that I did not really read the article at that link as carefully as I might have/should have before I posted it. I did read some of it, but obviously not really carefully enough. If I had read it more carefully I probably wouldn't have posted it with this group, but in a way doing so was a good thing because it prompted Cindy to post some really good links. Anyway, I'll try to be a little more thorough and careful before I post links in the future. emoticon

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I do have pain in my joints, or centered around my joints, but no swelling or redness ever. My biggest, and most persistent complaint is the severe stiffness I have all the time. And the afternoon fatigue.


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Ann....do you have pain in the joints? Not symmetrical, although it can be? Severe pain at times....like you want to cut off your arm or leg? Sometimes no swelling or indication that there is anything wrong?

I have PR, Palindromic Rheumatoid, and it's pretty rare and unrecognized by lots of docs.

"Palindromic Rheumatoid Arthritis (PRA) is a rare type of inflammatory arthritis that causes sudden inflammation in one or several joints, lasts a few hours or up to a few days, and then goes away completely. The attacks can end as fast as they begin. The pain can be very severe and it is difficult to find relief. The problem usually involves 2 or 3 joints, which have onset over hours and last days - weeks, before subsiding. However episodes of recurrence form a pattern, with symptom free periods between attacks lasting for weeks to months, in some cases, these attacks recur after years. The large joints are most commonly involved. The soft tissues are also involved with the swelling of the periarticular tissues, especially heel pads and the finger pads. Nodules may be found in the subcutaneous tissues. Constitutionally, the patient may or may not have a fever, and swelling of the joints."
www.praris.com/diagnosis.htm

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I have been tested for almost everything but RA. I have been told I am negative for Lupus. Tests for thyroid have been up and down. One doc wanted to tell me I had fibromyalgia but I am so far,not willing to accept that diagnosis. I work in medicine myself, and tend to like diagnoses that have can be tested for and have definitive results.

I always thought RA had to be the devestating kind that I saw several of my friends have. Now I am finding out that it can be many different types. I started out having my lower body ache, constantly with no relief. That has now lasted for several straight years. Now it has progressed to my arms. I also have afternoon fatigue. Not the kind that makes you want to nap, just muscle fatigue. I am a very healthy, active person with an upbeat attitude and I just want to feel better. I just don't think a 55 year old should be this stiff and achey all the time. I have been very persistent with my prior doc and have gotten nowhere in a diagnosis that makes sense to me. I moved to another state and have a new dr whom I will continue to try to get to the bottom of this. And I do not eat much red meat so maybe I will try to go without any for several weeks. That is much more do-able than going with out complex carbs!!


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Curious Ann...do you have RA or osteo?

I agree it doesn't work for everyone (what does?), and some people are sensitive to Arachidonic acid, which is found in red meat. Checking for AA sensitivity is easy, simply remove all red meat for a couple of weeks then have a large steak. AA sensitivity is the reason red meat is usually those with RA are told to avoid it, but there is no evidence that there is a connection between RA and AA sensitivity.

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I wish I could say the higher fat/protein, low carbs worked for me in regards to pain. I did South Beach for about 6 months last year, first to loose a bit of weight and then to keep it off. It is a great healthy diet and worked well for the weight. But I felt just as achy during the initial very low carb stage as I did later on when you get to have some healthy carbs. And even when I went back to my bad eating when we were moving across country and were a bit too unsettled to be able to cook and eat healthy.

And I for one, can not imagine not having my bread everyday. I make my own 100% whole grain bread and most days have 2 slices over the day. I bet at least 90% of the carbs I eat are complex carbs. But when I do eat simple carbs, they are real. I have homemade jam made with sugar or honey.


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Good discussion, thx for posting

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Thanks for all the information. I do plan on checking them out.

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Thanks for the info, a lot of web and SparkPeople searches are on the way



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Cindy--Thank you for the links. I am going to explore this theory more. May I ask, what do you typically eat in a day?

I've heard about the perils of processed foods, but do you avoid legumes, too?

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Lori...yes, almost all grains are pro-inflammatory. I avoid them all....except once a month or so when I have a slice of toast with breakfast.

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I know this is gonna sound weird..and I am not a doc..but I have been told to stay away from bread because it is a flammatory food..I don't even know if that is the word but bread gives us inflammation which in turn gives us pain..I stay away from it because I am addicted to the carbs..it's cool though when you've stayed away for a while you don't obsess over it anymore..
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Essie....yes and no. The research, no...Personal experience, yes and...

Paleo diets (lower carb, fairly high in animal fats and proteins: www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/
rapid-health-improvements-with-a-paleo
lithic-diet/

www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular
-disease/inflammation-and-diet/


Grains are linked to "leaky gut" which is felt to at least contribute to arthritic changes:
www.marksdailyapple.com/grain-pain/

Tropical oils, usually high in saturated fats are anti-inflammatory: www.marksdailyapple.com/guest-post-by-mode
rn-forager-the-tropical-oils/


Nightshades, which includes potatoes are included, are inflammatory, especially to the joints: www.marksdailyapple.com/nightshades/

My own personal experience shows a dramatic improvement with low car, paleo diet. I have both osteoarthritis and a form of RA. First diagnosed with osteo in my mid-20s, RA about 2 1/2 yrs ago. The form of RA I have rarely causes joint damage, but can often progress to "normal" RA....according to my doc I have RA by blood work, but not by symptoms.

According to my RA doc my inflammation levels are very low, despite having "very high" rheumatoid markers. Each visit he's amazed at how well I'm doing and the fact that I am not taking large doses of pain meds, despite taking no treatment for the RA. I was taking an antibiotic but stopped it several months ago when I lost insurance coverage. I take only Aleve as needed, which has been about twice a week lately....since I got back on my low carb, high fat (and high sat fat) diet.

My RA doc says avoiding processed foods, eating higher amounts of fats are probably the key as both lower body inflammation. My primary doc and another I'd seen in the past have both told me to not worry about fat or protein, but to go as low as possible with carbs, getting what I do from dairy (full fat) and vegetables/fruits.

In August, when my daughter got married, I went off my diet and by the end of day 3 I was in serious pain. I immediately protein/fat loaded with minimal carbs and within 48 hrs or so I was back to normal. Currently my diet is usually less than 10% carbohydrate with no grains and only rarely processed foods (condiments mainly).

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Well said SLIMMERKIWI!
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I just had a look at that link!

It doesn't actually advocate eating that way to prevent "pain" - the pain referred to is re Kidney Stones. THEY can be caused by too much of certain types of food, so if you reduce the amount of those foods (if you are over-doing it) then you reduce the possibility of getting them, hence the reduction in pain.

It must also be remembered that some of the foods they are advocating eating are ones suggested to leave alone with certain conditions - one example is Tomatoes and gout. Others are some of the ROUGH high fibre stuff with IBS (Crohn's, Ulcerative Colitis etc.).

Different conditions have different requirements, but generally if you eat a little of everything you won't deprive yourself of a good balance of nutrients.

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CindySue--Do you have a link to your information? Some of what you wrote really surprised me! Thank you.


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emoticon informative and very helpful

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The DASH diet may prevent pain of kidney stones, but it will likely do little for arthritis!!

Fat in the diet helps the joints. Lower carbohydrate intake lowers inflammation. Ditching vegetable oils in favor of animal fats also lowers inflammation. Salt probably has little or no effect.

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Thank you for posting the link. I am going to look into this just for general health.


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Eat This Way to Prevent Pain
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