SINGERAs: for me, your term 'toxic' applies to soy 'ice cream' and candy BUT I have a plethora of foods that are literally toxic.
It's great that I know them but that came from years of doctor-supervised elimination testing.
I don't think reading 'this is very hard on humans' does much of anything to anybody except make them want to eat more!
Moderation's great. But I believe most people have intolerances they'd never know about without rigorous testing. Obviously those of us with ANY autoimmune or GI issue have clear indications there are things harming us but for those who feel healthy, I mean, sure some choices are better than others but ya know, if you're HEALTHY you're probably doing okay.
If your metabolism is whacked, you have joint pain, skin issues, hair loss, fibromyalgia, Crohns, RA, etc? Moderation's not gonna help. I don't know what will help for others because we're all put together a little differently.
I don't know a whole lot of people who don't have issues, though, at least with metabolism and in my family it's autoimmune and CAD out the wazoo!
I completely agree. We all have to find what works for us. Even some of the articles I read from SP seem to be slightly pushy about things (sorry SP!). For example, the idea that moderation is key, and all foods should be part of an overall eating plan is something I read all the time. On an intellectual level, I see the value in that proposal. Where the rubber meets the road, however, that approach simply doesn't work for me. I had to choose to eliminate certain things, because for me, they are toxic. I can't stop eating them once I start, and they have no nutritional value anyway.
I also think there's some value in not asking a question you don't want the answer to....
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I rang the manager when I got home and he said, 'Oh, she told me the whole conversation' -- almost like I had done something wrong.
I don't think that I did. He was VERY nice to me and offered to buy me a gluten free beer on my next visit but he stood firm that his people are trained. Then, he asked me what my symptoms are when I get cross-contaminated. It felt like he was TESTING me! I told him the truth and you could see he in fact was not as well-trained as HE thought, so I'm glad that I took the time to educate HIM.
Seriously, it was insult to injury and I nicely said that I would never return back but I hoped they did a better job communicating with people like me in the future.
It was a weird sort of passive-aggressive thing (probably was his girlfriend or something, very strange). I mean, he was nice enough but definitely didn't say that he'd talk to her and then with the quizzing then obviously being shocked at what it does (gluten) to a person means that people who think they know...
So, you see how bad it can be when this isn't my choice. It's hard getting your face rubbed in it AND not being able to eat places.
That is simply a brutal way to behave to clients (especially since your livelihood depends on the fact that you remain employed, and people continue to visit your place of employment). I believe I'd write a letter to the management to address your concerns. Time that people realized that gluten intolerance is nothing to be just laughed off.
I make a very special point of keeping GF cookware, and always using parchment lining when baking loaves, etc., even though the pans were bought fresh for the purpose. Hubby likes to takes things for his classmates to share, and there are a few who are Gluten intolerant, so I've begun to bake that way, and rarely bake "regular" things any more.
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Lily_Spark - I believe there's a difference in the manner in which some people share, than others. You appear to be respectful, and share the information without casting it in the light that "I'm better than you because ..." or a similar type of attitude.
What I don't like are those who thing their way is the only way, and never cease to find an opportunity to tell you so.
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I have no problem with what others eat -- my theory is do heroin, I don't care. I truly don't. That's the beauty of understanding that everybody's path is their own.
I post ALL the time about my issues because I went 40 years being misdiagnosed and believe it's my duty to put info out there.
I 'found' eating whole foods because I was raised doing it but like everybody else, when I left the ranch and moved out on my own at age 15, I dove right into the ease of SAD! Almost immediately, I got sicker and started following doctors (and every 'health' magazine) advice, which didn't work for decades. It got worse.
I can't speak for how others share their stories. I'm the first to admit that even though I'm super strict in some ways, I still take sugar and booze :)
I'm non-judgmental but I'm not going to stop spewing my story, either.
As a long-term vegetarian, I've faced the same thing. From both sides! Perhaps vegan is healthier than what I chose, however, what I chose works for me on a long term basis.
When new friends apologize for eating meat in front of me, or suggest they don't need to order meat if it will offend me, I'm a bit taken aback. I simply tell them that they should eat what they want to eat, and I'll eat what I want. No offenses taken and no apologies needed. :D
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I'm tired of people trying to turn eating styles into religions.
There are many adjustments I've made to my Twitter feed (following) because I get so weary of those who "preach" that their eating style is the only one in existence, and you're less human or something because you don't adhere to every single component of their way of life.
Sometimes I have to sit on my hands on the SP boards, too - just so I don't respond in a frustrated or discourteous manner.
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