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SINGERAs: for me, your term 'toxic' applies to soy 'ice cream' and candy BUT I have a plethora of foods that are literally toxic.
It's great that I know them but that came from years of doctor-supervised elimination testing.
I don't think reading 'this is very hard on humans' does much of anything to anybody except make them want to eat more!
Moderation's great. But I believe most people have intolerances they'd never know about without rigorous testing. Obviously those of us with ANY autoimmune or GI issue have clear indications there are things harming us but for those who feel healthy, I mean, sure some choices are better than others but ya know, if you're HEALTHY you're probably doing okay.
If your metabolism is whacked, you have joint pain, skin issues, hair loss, fibromyalgia, Crohns, RA, etc? Moderation's not gonna help. I don't know what will help for others because we're all put together a little differently.
I don't know a whole lot of people who don't have issues, though, at least with metabolism and in my family it's autoimmune and CAD out the wazoo!
Here's a great post on "moderation" eating:
on the other hand - offering opinions and advice you've not been asked for is also a pain (to those on the receiving end, usually)
OMG great post, and great replies, all around!
I completely agree. We all have to find what works for us. Even some of the articles I read from SP seem to be slightly pushy about things (sorry SP!). For example, the idea that moderation is key, and all foods should be part of an overall eating plan is something I read all the time. On an intellectual level, I see the value in that proposal. Where the rubber meets the road, however, that approach simply doesn't work for me. I had to choose to eliminate certain things, because for me, they are toxic. I can't stop eating them once I start, and they have no nutritional value anyway.
I also think there's some value in not asking a question you don't want the answer to....
I rang the manager when I got home and he said, 'Oh, she told me the whole conversation' -- almost like I had done something wrong.
I don't think that I did. He was VERY nice to me and offered to buy me a gluten free beer on my next visit but he stood firm that his people are trained. Then, he asked me what my symptoms are when I get cross-contaminated. It felt like he was TESTING me! I told him the truth and you could see he in fact was not as well-trained as HE thought, so I'm glad that I took the time to educate HIM.
Seriously, it was insult to injury and I nicely said that I would never return back but I hoped they did a better job communicating with people like me in the future.
It was a weird sort of passive-aggressive thing (probably was his girlfriend or something, very strange). I mean, he was nice enough but definitely didn't say that he'd talk to her and then with the quizzing then obviously being shocked at what it does (gluten) to a person means that people who think they know...
So, you see how bad it can be when this isn't my choice. It's hard getting your face rubbed in it AND not being able to eat places.
That is simply a brutal way to behave to clients (especially since your livelihood depends on the fact that you remain employed, and people continue to visit your place of employment).
I believe I'd write a letter to the management to address your concerns.
Time that people realized that gluten intolerance is nothing to be just laughed off.
I make a very special point of keeping GF cookware, and always using parchment lining when baking loaves, etc., even though the pans were bought fresh for the purpose. Hubby likes to takes things for his classmates to share, and there are a few who are Gluten intolerant, so I've begun to bake that way, and rarely bake "regular" things any more.
You'd be surprised how much scorn I get for being Celiac. It's an autoimmune disease I was born with ... Would they be that was about cystic fibrosis?
The last time was last week at a nice restaurant (I hardly eat out for fear of cross-contamination).
When I began with 'I'm Celiac, so I have special handling requirements' the sweet snapped that if I were really Celiac, I'd never go out.
I asked her if she was or who did she know with it (to have such an outrageous manner, which I didn't state but I figured maybe it was her baby, you never know).
She said nobody but she knows about food allergies...
Celiiac is NOT a food allergy, so obviously she'd know better than I?
Needless to say we left but I repeated to her that this is my health and I have to make clear people understand my needs...
This restaurant HAS a gluten free menu! So, it was just weird to get this there but I get a lot of S----.
Lily_Spark - I believe there's a difference in the manner in which some people share, than others. You appear to be respectful, and share the information without casting it in the light that "I'm better than you because ..." or a similar type of attitude.
What I don't like are those who thing their way is the only way, and never cease to find an opportunity to tell you so.
I have no problem with what others eat -- my theory is do heroin, I don't care. I truly don't. That's the beauty of understanding that everybody's path is their own.
I post ALL the time about my issues because I went 40 years being misdiagnosed and believe it's my duty to put info out there.
I 'found' eating whole foods because I was raised doing it but like everybody else, when I left the ranch and moved out on my own at age 15, I dove right into the ease of SAD! Almost immediately, I got sicker and started following doctors (and every 'health' magazine) advice, which didn't work for decades. It got worse.
I can't speak for how others share their stories. I'm the first to admit that even though I'm super strict in some ways, I still take sugar and booze :)
I'm non-judgmental but I'm not going to stop spewing my story, either.
I have no problem with what any eats so I want the same back from everyone else.
This is the link to the Atkins website. even tho I dont fully do it the atkins way anymore I do still eat from the atkins food list/eat. I just count carbs different than they do.
Watch this about the atkins program.
My friends/associates don't have to change their menu to suit me (of course if I were highly allergic to something they might order - that's an entirely different matter).
However, I'm not going to tell them to eat such and such, just because I'm doing so (or that they should stop eating whatever it is they are having).
My opinion and my success rate is what works for me - their bodies are different.
If they ask what I'm doing; I'll tell them.
That's it. No preaching. Just sharing.
Then, it's up to themselves whether they wish to adopt some of the strategies I've used.
As a long-term vegetarian, I've faced the same thing. From both sides! Perhaps vegan is healthier than what I chose, however, what I chose works for me on a long term basis.
When new friends apologize for eating meat in front of me, or suggest they don't need to order meat if it will offend me, I'm a bit taken aback. I simply tell them that they should eat what they want to eat, and I'll eat what I want. No offenses taken and no apologies needed. :D
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Happily vegetarian for 40 years.
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This journey of losing weight and getting healthier is a personal one.
This is not a one size fits all.
Each of us has to find out what works best for us.
I haves tried so many and experimented with so many and am finally figuring out what works best for me.
So, you know your own body better then anyone else and know what is best for you and what works and what does not work.
There is a lot of bad advice out there. (and a lot of people trying to sell you things)
Maybe just come up with a line (something like "I'm glad that works for you")
and when you read things from preachy people you just automatically respond...
I kind of wish I had found something that works so I could push my opinion on you LOL
I hear you!
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should! - Desiderata
I'm tired of people trying to turn eating styles into religions.
There are many adjustments I've made to my Twitter feed (following) because I get so weary of those who "preach" that their eating style is the only one in existence, and you're less human or something because you don't adhere to every single component of their way of life.
Sometimes I have to sit on my hands on the SP boards, too - just so I don't respond in a frustrated or discourteous manner.
Sorry for venting.