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I have never heard that about the apple seeds. I knew people that ate flowers and bone marrow. It's disgusting to watch.

Anyway, I have personal experience with the Autism and diet. The particular boy that I worked with for two grades and I KNEW when he had eaten something he wasn't supposed to have. The times his mother got lazy the kid paid the price. She and I kept a daily journal and sometimes she wouldn't warn me. Maybe she was trying to test the diet theory herself? But at that time he had the best diet I knew of. That's no longer the case, but it taught me a lot!

Thanks for sharing!

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Well, you made me look up this diet - so here's a link :). Thanks Snorkle-- for the www.eatingwell.com site - I've never been to that one. (I have George Matelgan's book - re: the www.whfoods.com .. he's pretty smart ... except I read that apple seeds are poisonous! emoticon DH eats the whole apple and hasn't keeled over yet - and my VitaMix man also includes the whole apple in his juicing recipes - I think you'd have to ingest A LOT of appleseeds! I had a friend whose Df was a toxicologist - too much nutmeg is also very bad. Okay, I'm off topic!

I agree with SunClay (I'm hypothyroid as well, so I steer clear) and here's my perspective. Whole soybeans (edamame) are probably okay in moderation. Fermented soy is the same IMHO. Otherwise, all the other commercial products? We overdo it in our culture. I remember reading about the miraculous health benefits of soy back in the mid 1980s and couldn't believe it wasn't mainstream, too. But since then the farms have caught up with science culture and so have the commercial products. It's kinda "Supersize Me" thinking - more is better? I don't think so! I cannot really talk about soy"milk" though. There's a SP friend in my celiac team who believes soy has helped her tremendously. Everyone has different needs.

I personally also don't like grains as a whole food. I'm a celiac - what can I say?! Nutrient-wise, there are too many calories for the amount of nutrients supplied. Grains and cereals are "fortified" with these vitamins! I can get my B vitamins from a supplement (and am). Don't get me wrong - I've been trying to convert to more raw diet, which is obviously more whole foods. I believe in gut health and raw foods have more enzymes so it helps your gut environment and digestion (so do fermented foods!). I have also been nutrient deprived for well, my whole life. Probably why I ate (unfortunately per the USDA "SAD" food pyramid) more food and whole grains included (suggested 6-11 servings/day) to try to satisfy some innate craving for more nutrients. It was a vicious cycle.

What I notice about this Flat Belly diet link - is that the sample recipe mentioned in the article is gluten-free!

Many "anti-inflammatory" diets are gluten/grain free as well. You want liver health (talk about an important organ!)? Read Ann Louise Gittleman's Fat Flush Diets. You want clear skin? Read Dr. Perricone's diets. You want to do what stars are doing at a posh NYC gym or Heidi Klum to lose baby weight? Follow trainer David Kirsch's Ultimate NY Diet. South Beach Diet Ph. 1 and 2? ATkin's? These are all gluten-free (for the most part that I've read anyway). Just because Rachel Ray is Italian ... doesn't mean she couldn't lose a few (cute and all that she is) "noodles". Italians actually have a higher incidence for celiac (moreso again do the Irish, so do Scandinavians, Germans, and Serbians, and No. Indians-from India, or many Africans ...and who are we shipping grains to to feed the starving? It's actually MAKING them starve! See those bloated bellies? Some are gluten-induced (bloating is a symptom)! I could go on and on, but truth is many peoples are not adept at digesting wheat/grains ... or dairy ... but don't get me started! :)

My point is: weight gain and obesity is rising in America - my generation (40s) is producing larger kids than ever before. This is since the low-fat, high carb craze!

Autism spectrum (incl ADD), schizophrenia, crime rates - incl those school shooters, rates are all up. I believe it's because of malnourishment. My lifelong depression abated after I went gluten-free and got my nutrients. I did not expect this to happen! How many of those school shooters are on antidepressants? I wonder what they're eating?!

How about Jenny McCarthy's book spilling the beans about how DIET *can* help many many on the autism spectrum? This was "underground" for years because mainstream docs didn't believe it based on no "studies" ... but who is jumping to do studies for a "diet?" There's no money in taking AWAY a food, rather than pharma companies producing a pill, right? How is diet helping AS kids (and epileptics and Tourettes/tic disorders)? Gluten-free and casein-free diets high in whole foods! (Casein is the protein found in all dairy!).

We've been duped by our culture into believing that wheat and dairy are healthy ... look at the 4 top allergens required for food labels (we shouldn't be buying labels, right? I'm not perfect yet either - lol): WHEAT, DAIRY, SOY, CORN and to a lesser extent and for different reasons than weight gain: egg, peanuts, treenuts, shellfish/fish. All are highly allergenic foods! Maybe our collective fat is a allergic response to the wheat, dairy, corn and soy??
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My naturopath suggested I try a "white-free" diet - no grains, corn, bananas, sugars, dairy, legumes? can't remember legumes. It's intense - I did it for 2 weeks before wanting to slip some cream into my coffee and it all went downhill from there!
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However, I felt fantastic, didn't exercise and lost 10 pounds quite readily. There's power in our bioindividuality!

Some people may be allergic to legumes, oxalates, phytic acids, purines, sulfites, nightshades, food dyes and colorings, lactose, gluten, casein, etc., and not even know! I sure didn't!
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I felt like "talking" - hope I didn't put anyone off! I haven't had any greens today, so I'm off to feed my spirit now :). Hugs to all and to all a good night!
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There isn't any really good reason to be concerned about Calcium Carbonate - just know that it's the cheapest form of calcium and is the least bioavailable to the body. Whenever you can, look for a calcium supplement that is twice as much calcium as magnesium with some Vitamin D. The three work synergistically and it's FAR better to take a Cal/Mag with D type supplement. As well, look for calcium citrate, as it's the most bioavailable form of calcium. Any mineral in citrate form is far superior. Yes, more expensive -but you can take less since more is absorbed and used by your body.

As for milk, my #1 choice is Almond Milk. You can buy it or buy a "milk maker" (make rice, nut and soy milks) and make your own at home. I love my milk making machine.

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Calcium carbonate is a chemical compound, with the chemical formula CaCO3. It is a common substance found as rock in all parts of the world, and is the main component of shells of marine organisms, snails, and eggshells. Calcium carbonate is the active ingredient in agricultural lime, and is usually the principal cause of hard water. It is commonly used medicinally as a calcium supplement or as an antacid.

The beginning sounds pretty scary doesn't it?

I'm not so concerned with Calcium Carbonate as I am with the hormones pumped into dairy cows as well as everything else that's wrong with the dairy industry. But like I said, my body doesn't allow me to eat dairy. So I'll take my chances with it.

Today I received an email from one of the whole food stores in my area and they have Westsoy which doesn't have this ingredient. I've never had it so I don't know what it tastes like.


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Calcium Cabonate is what worries me. Our bodies do not absorb it as well as calcium citrate. Do they make it with calcium citrate?

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Ingredients:

Filtered Water, Organic Whole Soybeans, Calcium Carbonate, Organic Vanilla Flavor, Salt, Vitamin A Palmitate, Carrageenan, Riboflavin (B2), Vitamin D2, Vitamin B12.

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 cup (240mL)
Servings Per Container about 8
Amount Per Serving
Calories 80 Calories from Fat 35

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 4g 6%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 110mg 5%
Potassium 280mg 8%
Total Carbohydrate 3g 1%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 1g
Protein 7g
Vitamin A 20% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 30% Iron 8%
Riboflavin 30% Vitamin D 30%
Folate 8% Vitamin B12 50%
Zinc 4% Vitamin B6 6%
Thiamin 8%

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

I personally cannot eat dairy. When I cut that out of my "diet" was when I finally lost weight. It just doesn't work for me or my family.

Snorkledorf, thank you for the url's!

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Here's two that I refer to (in addition to Epicurious)
www.whfoods.org
www.eatingwell.com

Another great resource is to do a search for local farmer's or farmer market websites. They will often list recipes that are made with the produce they are selling/growing and without processed foods...not always but more and more often.

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My understanding is you are better off eating/drinking the full fat products. we all need healthy fats in our diets. I have heard that soy is not as good as they have been telling us for years....plus the stuff that is out there now is soooo over processed. I don't touch the soy stuff because I am hypothyroid. I am not a good person to ask. but that is what I have heard.

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Just curious what are the ingredients in your soy milk?

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Melissa! I've always had a problem with SP calorie logging because of the junk they have on their list. I just recently found out it's what they have on their based on the government nutrition something or other. Sorry, I don't remember. And I guess that's why the recipes suck too? Oh that may be too harsh, but I don't even bother unless it's a vegetarian recipe because those seem to be easier to modify.
Like the last post; I would also love a link to a site that has healthier recipes.
I'm not sure about your soy, but I prefer Organic Valley Soy (unsweetened milk) it's only one gram of sugar. Silk unsweetened also has one gram of sugar, but it doesn't taste as good imo.

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Yes I was thinking the same thing about sparkrecipes and since I am fairly new to this way of eating I get confused.
So if anyone has any websites that lists "whole" recipes I would appreciate it if you could throw it out there. I am not much of a cook so I like to keep it simple.
Also what about all the soy products-like soy milk and soy cheese-are these whole foods I can have in my diet. I was studying the ingredients in my FF soy milk and I am not so sure I should be drinking it?

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Mel, that is my problem with the SP recipe site too. so many of the recipes are using all the processed crap. If I need a recipe, I would rather go out and find one myself from epicurious or some other good cooking site and convert it myself to my cooking!

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I really do hope the world catches up to healthier eating; it makes traveling very challenging and stops up the natural process of "things." If you know what I mean. (wink)

It's not just RR either that doesn't make healthy foods, it's all of them. Even the so called healthy cooks on the Foodnetwork use ingredients that never make it in my grocery cart let alone my mouth!

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Thanks! I am not quite sure if I really reached it or not though. I had the flu for 2 days. yuck!

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I was starting to think Rachel Ray was the devil with all of the cheese and salt she adds to everything. But it does seem that she is trying to healthy eating a bit more lately. Good! (But she still gets on my nerves a little bit!)

Well BTW, Congratulations Melissa!!! I see that ticker showing the 100lb mark met and surpassed! I am doing the Happy Dance for you right now.

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I know our eating will catch on. People are tired of gaining weight. Good eating promotes good digestive health.

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My sister said she seen this on the Rachael Ray show the other day. I thought I'd give it a peek. Funny-basically saying to eat whole, fresh foods and something they have called MUFA (monounsaturated fats), which is basically "good fats" nuts, olive oils, avocados etc. Also whole wheat pastas and breads etc.

All the things we here at the Eating Whole Foods team are already doing.

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recipes just for kicks.

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