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1/5/13 5:04 P

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If it's part of class that you enjoy doing it is better than doing no strength training at all. I find strength training boring. I do a lot of cardio type exercise. If some weight training is in a class that I'm taking, it's something more than doing none at all.

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12/29/12 11:59 P

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I agree with that much. High rep, low weight = not really great results.

It's like ... I run a circuit weekly after work for some of the ladies at work. I could do the few most effective exercises every single week and just do that and nothing else, with no cardio in it. That would achieve the best results for each individual. But unfortunately, I believe they'd get bored and stop coming if I did that. People like variety.

One has to feed both the body and the mind together, finding a balance that achieves the goals of the one without compromising the goals of the other, for the absolute best balance.

Unless one is a professional athlete. Then one absolutely does what is 100% best for the body and mind just freaking sits and copes. :)



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12/29/12 11:43 P

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Perhaps. But if you divide your objectives, it might be reasonable to convince your human brain to rest for a few minutes to get strength during ST sessions and to get your heart rate up during conditioning sessions. I think it takes practice. For the longest time I wore a heart rate monitor during ST sessions. Then I realized it was pointless.

Something I've been researching recently is barbell complexes. One thing to understand is that I've seen barbell complexes or "metabolic training" referred to as cardio with strength training, but I think that's a misrepresentation. I think one should separate the two. If you want to increase aerobic capacity one should do that, if you want to increase strength, one should do that. To do both is doing both half assedly. I think you could even do both on the same day, but to do both in the same session is a mistake.

Personally, it was hard for me to stand around and be bored for 2-3 minutes during sets, but you get used to it. I'm still trying to mentally deal with doing singles or even triples where you do 1RM or 3RM for up to 10 sets. Anecdotally, combining singles and trips with 8-10 rep type sets helps increase strength but the rest is critical.

Again, anecdotally, I progressed the least with circuit type training being done exclusively. Doing high rep, short rest type stuff exclusively and considering it your "strength training" is a mistake long term. Naturally, new lifters will progress with any program.

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12/29/12 11:28 P

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Then it isn't a group that considers "the human being". :)

People aren't 100% logical and don't do exactly the intellectually 'right' thing. We are driven by emotion and how we 'feel' and to ignore those drives is foolish, IMHO.

There is a balance... :)

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12/29/12 9:25 P

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*shrug* ... if you consider building muscle optimally a waste of time then I guess do more busy work between sets. Remember, this isn't a group that relates much to "feel" emoticon

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I just feel so pointless and 'waste of time'y if I sit around for more than a minute between sets though.

This is, I think, why some people favour doing sets for different muscle groups in between, giving each group 'rest' (probably less than just pure resting) between.

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I'm a firm believer in longer rest periods between sets. Strength workouts for speed just don't make any sense to me. Extremely short rest periods are great for getting your heart rate up and decreasing the total amount of work performed. But if you're in this for heart rate, why not just do cardio? If you're thinking about heart rate and calorie burn during a lift session, you're doing it wrong.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19691365

"Furthermore, in terms of chronic adaptations, resting 3-5 minutes between sets produced greater increases in absolute strength, due to higher intensities and volumes of training. Similarly, higher levels of muscular power were demonstrated over multiple sets with 3 or 5 minutes versus 1 minute of rest between sets."

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