#16 Huge new scandal implicates major pharmaceutical company in scientific fraud. True because someone allegedly laundered vaccine grant money and used it to buy luxury homes and vehicle.
#22 - Nursing home drugging scandal exposed. (Claim: the elderly will be drugged to make them easier to manage). True because allegedly some nursing homes sent elderlies into hospitals unnecessarily purely because they get more cash for looking after them ex-hospital than with no hospital visit.
Deb, in New Zealand
Fitness Minutes: (12,713) Posts: 4,114 1/2/13 10:23 A
Indeed. I appreciate things and people that make me think. The problem is that lots of those are sticking to a dogma, which convinces me that _they_ aren't actually thinking. Once dogma-sticking becomes obvious, it's (possibly past) time to bail.
Fitness Minutes: (12,713) Posts: 4,114 3/28/12 7:23 A
Yup, it's a tough call sometimes. Need to keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out. I've flipped the bozo bit on naturalnews though. I'm close to it on Taubes, but I think he keeps me looking at what I believe critically, which is always important.
LOL, agreed, but part of the scientific mindset is to remain open to new ideas. Nonetheless I won't be quoting some scientific thing as I'm way too lazy to go find one, though like you say they are probably out there.
There may be no legitimate reason to assume "natural" equals fruity hippy anti-science claims. But, unfortunately, the history of groups using the word "natural" in their name has more largely been hippy fruity anti-science people than not. So it gets a bad rap.
Not that there probably aren't exceptions, so don't go quoting to me some excellent scientific resource called Natural Something... I'm sure they're out there! But in my experience, anything calling itself 'natural' is normally unscientific.
I see that as a bit of a pessimistic view. Science is natural; really just a way of thinking and working to effectively describe nature. Now, applied science admittedly produces a lot of weird stuff, or at least produces it in unnatural quantities. But in any case I don't necessarily see someone calling themselves that name automatically being anti-scientific. What, is an organization dedicated to scientific approaches going to call themselves the "unnatural news"? LOL.
I think the question of what is "natural" and what is not is often not clearly answerable anyway. I'm going to go back to drinking my hydroxic acid now.
Yes well, frankly the very name ... "Natural News" implies a biased anti-science type of approach. It's perhaps a disappointment for truly scientific based (are there any?) organisations promoting natural products as what can they call themselves that really doesn't just smack of one-sided pseudo-scientific claims like that?
Thankfully it hasn't been much of a problem here, but I declare NaturalNews an unacceptable source of information for the purposes of this group. I had to research this source in another discussion and I did not like what I turned up. This site contains a nice summary.
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