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4/26/10 3:52 P

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What a colorful group we have here ... GIANT, you get a professorial A+++ ... very good emoticon

... and Irish & Stlrz take the prize of novel twists of the tongue ... "high speed lathes" and "cafeteria style spirituality" -- y'all crack me up!

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4/26/10 2:23 P

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I will admit that the Latin mass can be quite inspiring; Latin is a pretty language and as I learned in music school easy to rhyme since endings are quite standard and you can put the words in almost any order without changing the meaning.

How much Latin does the average church goer know? I'm not a Catholic but after a semester of Medieval and Renaissance music I knew the high mass like the back of my hand and discovered my Catholic sister-in-law didn't know it at all.

Remember that the Bible was originally translated into Latin so more people could understand it. Centuries later when few people could understand Latin the church liked it that way to the point of burning Bibles translated into the vernacular. The church liked interpreting the Bible for followers.

Many anthropologists believe that other than the earliest animalist religions matriarchal religions predated patriarchal ones. The early church discouraged Marian worship and cults because they saw it as a continuation of Pagan Isis worship. It could be argued that the misogyny in the Bible is just a product of the times when it was first written down.

One of the Christian religions I've long admired was the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). The Quakers were early opponents of slaver, proponents of women's equality and suffrage and opposed war (until WWII anyway when many Quakers gave up pacifist views).

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4/26/10 2:12 P

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Our church is still very traditional and ritualistic...I find comfort in that too, Carli. Our priests can marry before they are ordained unless they are to be elevated into the church hierarchy. Although women hold lay positions in the church, they are not ordained as priests....I think they should be.

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4/26/10 11:19 A

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Re religion and women's issues..I have always found it interesting that Buddhism allows female monks..and originated in India where women technically were second class citizens..yet where there has been a female President. Hmm.able to be president, able to be a monk..not so second class after all..

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Thee and me both! My brand of "Catholicism" would have both grandmothers making like high-speed lathes in their graves.

"...there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."

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Yup.

The only thing worse than Obama is Obama being popular among furriners...

Personally, my father was the Jew in our family so I am wrong-half-Jew which means not at all... As a cultural Jew, I am about as Jewish as bagels and lox and since I've turned vegetarian, not the lox...

and yet... whenever there is great loss in my life... I run for the Kaddish... (in translation, of course... I am way to Amurrican to have learned ANY Hebrew or any but curse words in Yiddish...)

But I love the tradition and the sense that this has all come before and will pass away...

Yeah, I'm a cafeteria style shopper in the spiritual dining hall...

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4/25/10 7:31 P

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I'm not surprised that Obama still leads the pack especially when you look at some of the other world leaders (namely all of the ones in Africa)...Obama's policies may be unpopular and there will always be a lunatic fringe that hates him but even those in the GOP/TeaBag group have to admit that they would rather be under Obama's leadership than anyone else....

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4/24/10 9:25 P

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Yup, I know this is a major contradiction in my overall ideology, but I felt the changes introduced by Vatican II took away what I always felt was the depth and richness that existed in many of the rituals of the sacraments and the mass. Shortening the mass, simplifying its language, removing Latin as the official language and along with it Gregorian chant/plainsong, just left me feeling kind of empty.

I still occasionally pick up my old missile and chant the mass to myself in Latin, but I remember that time as also a time of exploring other faiths and getting involved in yoga and eastern style meditation.

Of course, I'm also aware that just about all religions are equally, some even more so than Christianity, patriarchal and insensitive to women's issues, freedoms, etc., so basically I've found my own way, sort of taking the good, casting aside what I feel is offensive and not particularly "moral" or "ethical" ... while still retaining a faith in something beyond what we can see/feel with our limited senses.

Does that make any sense?

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4/24/10 8:56 P

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Papa John lost points for Vatican II?

"...there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."

"We're children of a fighting race that never yet has known disgrace." (The Soldiers' Song, Irish national anthem)

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The problem is that the second most popular thing for the conservative half of this country to hate, following all things liberal/moderate/Obama/of color, is every place on the planet that is not the U.S. ... to hear some of them talk, it seems they hate our Western European allies & even Canada just as much as they hate the Middle East and Asian block.

I'm surprised the article didn't mention KimJungIl II of N. Korea among the bottom of the poll.

It also really says alot that the Dalai Lama is more respected than the Pope! I'm Roman Catholic, but have to say I agree, and would add that the last Papal leaders who had my respect were Pius XII and John XXIII (John lost points with me for Vatican II, and I never really returned to the Church after that)...

Yeah, I'm really giving away my age on that one, I guess ... LOL.

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♫ Carli

“Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one it is right.” ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


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4/24/10 8:23 P

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Thanks for sharing. I'm also glad to see Clinton's popularity so high by other countries.

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4/24/10 7:44 P

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I just wish more folks here in the US would catch on!

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"Every day above ground is a good day." (Chef Justin Kennedy of New Orleans, on Chopped)

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