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9/17/09 12:02 P

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I love Dora. I think we watch that movie at least once a month. Once upon a time, we had to watch it everyday lol

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9/17/09 11:58 A

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That's great Keith!

I also heard Merkley on the Ed Schultz show and it doesn't like he likes this bill in its current form.

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9/17/09 11:48 A

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Thanks for that link Kady --- Oregon Doctors get it! So does Ron Wyden ...
Steph -- I have a lot of skills that I don't talk about. I'm actually a very skilled administrator ... I give great speeches & seminars ... it's a pipe dream anyway. My wife would never leave her mother's side.

Why are conservatives and racists gaining such strong voices? Is the world that afraid? It must be awful to live such a fear-based life.

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If you let go a little you will have a little happiness.
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If you let go completely you will be free. - Ajahn Chah

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9/17/09 11:25 A

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well, my old state and home. Gotta love those angry Oregon doctors. RIGHT ON!

Keith, I work at the business school here. I'm not sure they need a guitarist, but hey, I created my own job over here so we might be able to figure out something really relevant... :-)

Trying to immigrate into this country is not a piece of cake anymore. We have this delightfully racist Danish People's Party that has pretty effectively stopped a great deal of immigration to Denmark. Denmark for the Danes! nah - they don't have enough political power to do what they want completely, but they unfortunately got enough votes in the last election (that I couldn't vote in because I'm not a Danish citizen)to be one of the coalition parties in the ruling government.

What were we talking about? Just call me Dora (from Finding Nemo if that was her name!). short term memory is scary. Scares the hell out of my poor students...

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9/17/09 11:04 A

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It has to have a public option. The middle class also needs to be protected more. I know that we are going to have to help pay for some of this, but the bulk should be on the insurance companies... and they should not be able to pass the buck.

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9/17/09 10:59 A

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www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/20
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This is what we need!

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9/17/09 10:48 A

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So, Stephanie, old buddie, old pal ... since we seem doomed here in the states, and I'm still out of work I was wondering ... Can I have a job with your company?
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"All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go..."
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If you let go completely you will be free. - Ajahn Chah

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9/17/09 10:38 A

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I think it would be a great idea to have a system like Denmark's so that we wouldn't have to deal with insurance companies. And you're right, as long as there is no public option to compete with the insurance companies, they will continue to think first of their profit margins. They evidently dictated what they wanted to Baucus and he went along with it.

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9/17/09 10:27 A

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The bill from Baucus is everything that could possibly be wrong with an implementation of "national health care." Big, big taxes on the middle class - yeah, that's going to go over. yeah, right.

I know it's a pipe dream in the States, but those damn insurance companies need to be taken out of this equation. It will never be a good system as long as they are involved. It cannot be. They have too much at stake to think of the common good. Take, for example, Baucus' bill's idea that insuarnce coverage has to be adequate or the company will be penalized with taxation. OR that everyone has to be insured so pre-existing conditions don't hold. The insurance companies will just up the costs in order to get their losses down. Insurance companies will NEVER work in a national health care system.

We have to work to get that Public Option in - it just won't work without one.

I know you probably don't want to hear about Denmark's and it isn't relevant since it's so different. There are no insurance companies involved. The hospitals are run on government money - taxes - and doctors are paid by the state - taxes. Everyone can just go to the doctor or to the hospital when they need to.

People here can go to private doctors and hospitals if they want. They just have to pay themselves. There is insurance available, but there's generally no reason to have it. (There's more to it than that, but it's a long story.)

As long as insurance companies or HMO's or cooperatives are part of this, forget it. Obama probably should have looked at the history of the Canadian health care system: one province started to the skeptical words of the rest of the country. But in a relatively short time, the whole country went over to it. "Single pay" I suppose is as close as it will ever come to a true national health care.

But I have to keep reminding myself that this thing is called a National Insurance Plan. Therein lies the rub and it's a big one.

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Epic FAILURE is right, Kady. I hope this doesn't make it out of the committee, Keith. They need to remember - some of these spineless "Democrats":

You can please some of the people some of the time
And some of the people all of the time (and then there are those nevers)
But you can NEVER PLEASE ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME.

Stop trying to please the conservatives who believe this is the end of the US as God created it. Oh GAWD.

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9/17/09 9:19 A

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We still have the House Bill and we can push for it to NOT be watered down. The Baucus bill won't even make it out of committee and on to the floor for a vote, it is so full of crap.

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If you let go a little you will have a little happiness.
If you let go a lot you will have a lot of happiness.
If you let go completely you will be free. - Ajahn Chah

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9/17/09 9:07 A

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Well glad that he isn't getting BLIND support from either sides of Congress and that this is NOT the final bill...

I actually was expecting a "great" bill considering all the hype around this particular one...but he is still a "bought" Congressman so I shouldn't have held such a high expectation...

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9/17/09 1:00 A

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WTF???
Who is this going to help???
Oh yeah, the insurance companies & those who love them!!

HEY YA'LL !!!!


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9/16/09 10:53 P

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I don't get this...how is it supposed to help us afford to pay for coverage. How is it this reform?



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9/16/09 9:27 P

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I am sick over this. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/3288
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On FB (Obama's page) people are just blindly ignoring all of this stuff.

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IT IS A TOTAL DISGRACE.
It's the exact OPPOSITE of what we and Obama called for. All it does is force everyone on to the rolls of the Big Insurance Pigs ...
I wonder how much they paid him to do that bill??

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If you let go a little you will have a little happiness.
If you let go a lot you will have a lot of happiness.
If you let go completely you will be free. - Ajahn Chah

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9/16/09 8:57 P

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What do you think?


"No matter who you are, no matter what you do, you absolutely, positively do have the power to change."
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"You must begin to think of yourself as becoming the person
you want to be."
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