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4/23/08 5:31 P

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Hi All, I'm not so sure...the electorate is so stupid and suffering from attention deficit disorder/short attention span please---spoon feed me a catchy sound bite. They will buy any sort of revisionist stuff like "the 90s were GREAT...remember?" After George the boy King, even the Great Depression (next ones coming) looks good. I reject the Clintonian model of the "new democratic party," where we have to be "more like the Republican party...to get elected as Bill declared..." and pander, promise, concentrate on guns, gods and gays and negative tear down campaigning...adopting the Lee Atwater and Karl Rove "win at all costs" playbook. It makes me sick...all this drivel and lack of substance...I guess I am an elitist, too... emoticon

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4/23/08 4:28 P

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Bill Clinton doesn't have any markers, Dave. He's made such a total ass out of himself - he has even trumped Bush as the village idiot.
The only decent idea Howard Dean has had as chairman of the party is to encourage the supers to come forth.
I am a good Democrat and will try to ENTHUSIASTICALLY support either one of those yayhoo's. It's going to be difficult....and I used to really like them both.
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4/23/08 4:14 P

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Did anyone hear that Nancy Palozi was planning on getting all democratic members of congress to declare who that would support in advance in the hope of settling this before it gets to the convention. There are enough democratic congress members who are super delegates to decide the matter.

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4/23/08 3:31 P

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I think Hillary must be defeated, bc her statements to donors in early March show that she's anti-democratic (MoveOn gushes money and "activates the Democratic base," who turn out in large numbers, don't agree with her, etc.). I'm also concerned about her continuing to lie when her statements can be fact-checked. In MoveOn's case, it was her lying that they opposed war in Afghanistan. I definitely don't want to learn about reality through her filter. Someone, referring to her, said we don't need another escapee from reality in the WH.

I am also disappointed that Hillary did as well as she did, but I had predicted on Chris Cillizza's Fix that she'd win by 10, so I don't know why I was disappointed. I couldn't see any way, except by wishful thinking, that Obama could prevail in PA. Musta had a lot more wishful thinking than I knew. I think I just didn't want to see Hillary dancing on her opponents' graves again and hear her gloating.

I've asked Cillizza and many others to comment on how Limbaugh's Operation Chaos is skewing the results. Hillary won TX by 109K, but 119K Republicans crossed over to vote for her. I'd like to get a ballpark estimate of the impact of Operation Chaos on OH and PA. Would she wind up with fewer popular votes or would those votes by balanced by independents' support for Obama?

Jeff Greenfield says there won't be a brokered convention, because there aren't any high-powered brokers any more. And besides, if the Clintons own the Dem party who would broker them out of the nomination? So brokering would favor the Clintons, IMHO. If Obama accepted brokering, he'd be acting inconsistently with his campaign to free the party from special interests. And his emphasis on hearing the voice of the people implies to me that the decision should wait until the primaries are over. So I'm with Howard Dean--let's hear from the superdelegates after June 3rd.

In the meantime, can Hillary and Barack target McCain as well as each other?

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4/23/08 3:27 P

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Hillary Clinton is splitting the party. She is also tired and if she is tired now, think what a presidency would do to her. There is no reason for her to still be in this race that she has turned into mud throwing. She needs to pull out and concede that she cannot be elected. But she stays in - dividing the party.
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4/23/08 2:50 P

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McGrath, I'm glad to hear that you work for local candidates. So do I. They often get forgotten during the presidential years, and their races are the ones where volunteer efforts make the most difference.

I am willing to vote for either candidate, but I think it would behoove whoever 'loses' to continue travelling around the country, stirring up support for the other candidate. They need to keep their eyes on the prize, which is a Democrat in the White House.

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4/23/08 2:16 P

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All Hillary has is EVERY SINGLE ONE of the large states. Those are the states which will be needed in the general election.
Having said that; I will say, for the umpteenth time, that I will be able to vote ENTHUSIASTICALLY, for either one of them. As I have heard many people say...either one of the Democratic candidates would be better, on their WORST day, than John McCain would be on his BEST day!!!

IMO, each one of them will be compelled to ask the other to be on their ticket, for the sake of their own victory in the general election.

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4/23/08 1:53 P

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We're headed for an old fashioned brokered convention where Bill Clinton will pullin his markers and make a deal to have his wife annointed as the nominee. He really believes he IS the democratic party. HC will continue to fashion herself as a fighter, pandering all the way...No one has called her on her reckless warmongering stance to "win" Iraq and
Afghanistan, which many in the Pentagon's think tanks (see last week's report report from the National Defense University by Joseph Collins, it is a "major debacle.") Some senior officers have judged the war as "not winnable." Her endless programs and plans are just b.s. as the do nothing Congress will have to assent to her big plans. Her reckless idea to nuke Iran if they attack Israel? Expand the nuclear umbrella to "allies" in the Middle East. Who else is there but Israel and they still spy on us!

Say What? The sound bite campaign and ad hominem arguments are just helping McBush...my choice of Obama is all I can do, for now, but he looks too cerebral, weak and idealistic. Hill and Bill will say anything, do anything to get in...her "mis-statements" are really lies and fabrications. Be ready for the back room deal as she will not have the delegates, popular vote or any other measure to legitamately pull it off...

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4/23/08 1:42 P

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I'm disgusted and ashamed of both candidates. They should do their constituents a favor and both withdraw b/4 anymore damage is done.
Joe Beiden or Bill Richardson or ANYBODY other than the two loud-mouthed bozos looks pretty good to me - right about now.
My volunteer work is strictly for local candidates right now.
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4/23/08 1:14 P

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People hoping that the PA elections would be decisive one way or the other have been disappointed. Me, I'm amazed that my vote (in KY) in the presidential primary might MATTER for a change.

Do people think that the April & May primaries will decide the candidate? If we have no definite winner going into the Denver convention, what will it mean for the party?

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