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8/28/11 12:19 P

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totally disagree. meats are very good for us; it's in the science.
unpasteurized dairy is also very good for us; also in the science
I would add that this is my humble opinion but it's many educated, resourceful people's opinions as well. A vegetarian world could destroy this planet because of the terrible soil erosion that happens when you take grazing land and turn it into agriculture for corn, soy, wheat and other grains which vegetarians consume at a high rate.
Cattle and bison are much much more sustainable contrary to what the vegetarian and vegan culture is telling us. Most vegans and vegetarians live in urban parts of this planet and don't realistically relate to the origin of their food.

Every day I learn more about this issue and get increasingly angry at those who exploit the wallets of good people whose hearts are towards compassion (animals) and a healthy earth (vegans and vegetarians are in this category) But they have become a target for big Ag marketing and profit.

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8/28/11 1:07 A

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This is one reason I'm a vegetarian all the meat and cheeses are not good and cooking is part of it.

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8/24/11 11:09 P

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Well, almost all cheese isn't "exactly" totally raw anyway, any more than are dehydrated nuts and things. To make cheese you have to heat up the milk to get it to have a clean and smooth break in the curd. But many cheeses only have to be heated to 91 degrees F (about 33 C) so the enzymes are still intact. Pasteurization requires milk to be heated to about 160 degrees F (72 degrees C) So many cheeses that claim "raw" on the label are really simply not pasteurized...and that's a good thing. Most conventional cheeses and even many artisan cheeses start by pasteurizing the milk because the natural enzymes in the milk will interfere with the natural fermentation of the cheese in both the process and in the aging.

I think "thermalization" is where the milk is heated up to just under the pasteurization point which is still pretty darn hot in my opinion and so then I guess it would "technically" not pasteurized but...I wonder.

So don't feel bad about melting it...unless you put it under a hot broiler!! I often cook something and while it is still hot on my dish or in my bowl I put slices of cheese on top and just let it melt. Great on soups and chili or even veggies like cauliflower, zucchini, squash...etc.

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8/24/11 9:52 P

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Thanks Laura, I bookmarked the link - I just ordered some of Dr. Mercola's protein powder, but I'll give the Progressive a try next time I'm out.

But it's the charred bits that taste so good!!! emoticon

I found some raw cheese at the same place I finally got the raw milk from - haven't tried it yet - it costs so much I'm almost afraid to eat it - lol!

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8/24/11 9:47 P

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I buy a whey protein made from the milk of grass fed cows. It's also organic and cold filtered. Not sure if it's raw, but its one of the healthiest powders you can get.
You can get it in chocolate as well, sweetened with stevia. But I have the plain kind. There is no other ingredients except whey powder.

www.befit.ca/products/Progressive-Or
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nic-Whey-Protein-(680g),-UnflavouredR>.html


Also... I will try and eat less meat that has been browned or charred. It's mainly those charred bits that are carcinogenic.
And, my cheese is also raw. I hate to pay extra for raw cheese, just to melt it anyhow. lol

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8/24/11 8:57 P

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Any suggestion for a whey protein powder made from raw milk?

Teresa

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Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.
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8/24/11 8:52 P

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This sure gives me something to think about. I probably won't give up all of those "bad" things but I can certainly be aware of how much I am consuming. I do love poached chicken and fish. But I also sometimes like to roast meats before shredding them into a stew/sauce thing. I might re-think this and work more on seasonings to bring out good flavor.

I totally avoid ultra-pasteurized dairy products and most all the cheese we eat around here is raw. that just means that it's not heated above 110 degrees. The only exception is my own (very yummy) ricotta which I have to heat to 195...eek! What else do I do with all that leftover whey??

Though we don't barbecue very much, sometimes we do. I would hate to give that up completely. Don't think we will.

I like caramelizing onions...well, that's not protein. And actually, I do it long and slow so that's probably not a problem. How else would I make French Onion Soup???
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Way too restrictive for me. Not about to give up those things. Life is too short. Well if it was a longer life it wouldn't be much fun! emoticon

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8/24/11 1:10 P

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I got this info in my email this morning, but it's not the first time I've heard about this. I think the other article I read referred to this as AGES.
www.defensenutrition.com/articles/ul
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a_heated_proteins_cause_colon_cancerR>_particularly_casein.php


What do you guys think?

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