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Hi Ani thanks for your suggestions, I don't think I will be able to give up my soaked steel cut oats

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I make a granola that is made with nuts and seeds. It is held together with whipped egg whites but you can also do that with soaked chia seeds. Maybe you could do it with some kind of starch like tapioca starch or guar gum.

This granola is really tasty. I sweeten it with liquid stevia drops. My favorite way to eat it is on drained yogurt but if you don't do dairy you could also just eat it in a bowl with a non-dairy milk like almond milk.

Yup, grains are VERY addictive. I'm almost grain free now only letting myself have a small treat once in a while of bread. Going grain-free has been a real fun adventure as I have learned a lot of new and tasty grainless methods of making food. Tonight we had crustless quiche which is very paleo but not at all vegan. I couldn't stand being vegan either mentally or philosophically. I make cheese from raw milk and LOVE it!

Being a vegan and not having grains would be very hard I think.
Have you ever tried soaking steel cut oats? They are much easier to digest that way.
www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2008/03/nouri
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Hi I am addicted to grains, I eat way to much bread and would be much better off without it. What can I eat to fill me up that is not animal, I am a vegetarian and is not beans, I eat and like beans but not all the time

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You know...I haven't tried just the white. I usually eat the whole thing. If I can eat just the white and not have the digestive junk, that'd certainly be a protein option. My body apparently can only handle so much nutrition... ;)

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That's true Laura, but we get gas if we eat them. :p Hahaha!



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The yolk is the healthy part of the egg.

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Amber funny you should say that about digestion issues. I have some issues with digestion now too especially with sweet potatoes (so I don't eat them anymore) which gives me acid. It's nasty really.

Anyhow...have you just tried eating egg whites? I will eat only one yolk when I go to eat eggs and the rest is white and my tummy is A OK. If I eat too many yolks then that's a problem.



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The VEGA powders are derived from brown rice. Also, B12 is really only found in animal food sources, that's why vegans are deficient in this vitamin.
I think animal protein is really healthy. I eat a lot of eggs, seafood, cheese, etc.
I take a whey protein that is made from organic grass fed cows. Whey protein really is superior to all those "other" protein powders.

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My body refuses to digest soy or dairy, so I can't use those for protein. And TMI alert: eggs give me major gas. Although, I can throw one of those in if I have a day where I'm staying away from the world. ;)

My problem is that I have foods that 1. give me extreme pain if I ingest them (like gluten) or 2. give me digestive issues that I won't gross you out with (soy, dairy, gluten, eggs, onions, quinoa, almonds, and if ingested in large quantities: beans and cruciferous veggies like broccoli, brussel sprouts and cauliflower). Broccoli and beans are definitely my favorite though. I just have to remember to not eat too much at one time!

And then if I add in the foods I just plain can't stand the taste or texture of, I have cut down the list of what I can eat considerably!

My food life was definitely easier when I weighed more, I didn't have any of these digestive issues! Although if I wasn't already eating healthier and knew what I now know about food, I would have had a really rough time adjusting back then.

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Is there another name for soy I should be looking for in the ingredients. As far as I know Vega uses no soy in their products. I'm not sure about other companies.



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Vegan protein is often a soya derivative...questionable...again easy and cheap to grow so they shove it into everything.




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I visit the vegan boards on the web from time to time and it seems like many of them take the b-12 vitamin as a supplement anyway just in case. Maybe adding that will help. *shrugs* They also have tasteless vegan protein out there as well. Expensive, but they are out there. Vega has a vegan protein powder out, but they come in flavors like vanilla, chocolate, etc. there are no tasteless ones I've found yet.



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according to many vegans /vegetarians if you eat a good variety of fruits and veggies raw nuts and seed beans and legumes you will get all of the protein you need

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Blackandi... If you actually compare per calorie intake of oats versus grain you will find that the vegetable has far more protein. Protein is required to maintain muscle mass. Grain increases fat mass. Its fine to go with fruit and vegetable if it works for you, but I would add protein to preserve muscle. Oats however are not required for anything but for fat storage...and that full feeling that some people get from eating oats is actually counterproductive.

Amber...If you are vegetarian you should look for alternate sources of protein. Grains have negligible protein. Add eggs,cottage cheese etc. Eat mountains of spinach and broccoli. Oats wont do you any favours.



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I forgot to mention that Zuzana got the idea from the book In Defense of Food (I own a copy now) by Michael Pollin. He's kind of like a fruit and veggie activist the way I see it. And Mike you're right on.



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ANDI, your trainer is right about the grain thing. Ezekial is made from sprouted grains, and that's how grain should be eaten (if at all). Quinoa is also a good choice.

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I read something from DR MCdougle about Roman legionaries of biblical times eating totally vegetarian diet except in times of crisis and then not willingly and well all know they were the toughest most successful army of that time

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As for protein, I've cut down on protein. I treat protein like a side dish. Veggies and low GI fruit is my main course. I've noticed that since I've made this change three months ago that my body fat has dropped at a faster rate and though I still weigh the same (just started my weight loss regime last week) that I was able to knock out a dress size...awesomeness. I also noticed that the more animal I ate the more my tummy bloated. And eating in this way hasn't affected my muscle growth at all.

So, in saying all of that do we really need that much protein out of animal??? For me? No. I read one of Zuzana's blog posts three months ago where she talked about the over abundance of animal protein we put into our bodies for no reason so I upped my plant intake which also contains protein. I'm glad I took her advice.

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Hi I have read where 15% is high, breast milk is only 13% and as you age you need less. a good read is the china study by T.Colin Campbell. he has done much reasearch in protein and has discovered that the healthiest protein is veggie protein and the proper amount is about 55 grams. read it it will alter your outlook on protein

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Sparklit...the promoting of eating grains especially oats shows up in the clean eating books and on fitness website in their meal plans and what not. Oats/grains are pushed very hard. My nutrition coach hates grains to death and tells us that if we absolutely need to eat a grain to go with the Eziekiel (did I spell that right?) l bread which is sprouted and that's it. He loves Quinoa though and so do I because no matter how much of it I eat my tummy doesn't bloat.

And after doing some real research into oats this past Friday I found that I can get oat benefits from my fruits and veggies...I am already getting them actually because I eat more plants than anything.

Thanks for the links and info Ani!





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I try to get at least 45-50. I'm especially concerned since all of my sources are vegetarian. And my protein percentage is usually less than 15%, which can't be great.

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Hi amber how do you know you are not getting enough protein, don't go by sparks, they are way high even somebody that is a very hard worker shouldn't need more than sixty grams, mostly less

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I have the worst gag reflex ever. Even the smell of meat sometimes sets me off! My poor carnivore husband ;)

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MUSCLE DOES NOT WEIGH MORE THAN FAT 5 lbs = 5 lbs

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FOOD TASTES GOOD
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I love to eat my animal friends! lol

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It stinks because I have to keep at least some grains otherwise I just can't get enough protein.

Beans and nuts do have protein, but I have to eat a LOT of them to get enough and the calories just shoot on up, and my stomach gets less amused. I already have to be gluten and soy free not by choice and recently realized dairy need to go too. I wish I could handle the taste/texture of meat just so I wouldn't have to worry so much about protein. I'm glad I don't eat my animal friends, but it would certainly make life easier in some ways!

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MUSCLE DOES NOT WEIGH MORE THAN FAT 5 lbs = 5 lbs

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Completely grain free for over a year now and much better for it. Who says you need to eat grain anyway ? I cannot ever imagine that the early human would wake up in the morning and say to himself.."Hey... wheres my cup of oats ?"...Eat plants and animals instead. Do what nature intended you to do in the first place. If you dont even LOVE something unhealthy..why eat it ? I would only eat unhealthy food if I absolutely adored it , not otherwise. Only people with commercial interests have you believe that grain is healthy. It is extremely profitable to grow grain per square piece of land and it quickly feeds a lot of people.



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Here's some links to websites that explain the advantages of soaking whole grains:
www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2008/03/nouri
shing-practices-soaking-grains-2.html


nourishedkitchen.com/soaking-grains-nuts-l
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gnowfglins.com/2009/07/06/grain-cooking-ch
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My grain-free granola is 4 or 5 or 6 or...as many soaked and dehydrated nuts and seeds that I have in jars sitting on my counter measured out according to my mood. Lately it has been things like almonds, hazelnuts, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, chia seeds, shredded coconut, cashews. When I see a jar getting empty I choose something to soak over night and then I dehydrate it the next day. Some things, like almonds can take as long as 28 hours to get totally crispy. Soaking and dehydrating isn't a project that you have to babysit at all. You can be away from home or asleep or doing other things so don't get stressed.
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When I want to make granola I take stuff from the jars and chop it up a bit, toss it in a bowl with well whipped egg white(s) and several drops liquid stevia extract. Then I spread that whole nutty mass out on a baking sheet to about 1/3 to 1/2 of an inch thick and bake it at 300 degrees F. until it just barely has a golden tinge to it...about 15 minutes or so then break it up a bit and stir it a bit and put it back in for another 15 minutes or so. You might have to repeat this depending on your oven. You don't want it to burn; just get it lightly cooked and crunchy.

Serve with milk in a bowl or with yogurt and fruit or ice cream NO NO NO, I didn't mean THAT! Or just eat it as is. Oh yeah, you can also use it to make fruit crisps for dessert.

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I hardly ever eat oats or any grains for that matter
I don't think anyone really NEEDS to eat oats
You're NOT dumb. Your questions aren't dumb. The FDA is a bit dumb though.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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Yes, please share it. I need all the help I can get. Ha!



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I don't do grains either. A big bowl of oatmeal used to make me feel overly full and then starving an hour or two later.

I recently soaked some rolled oats and then dried them in my dehydrator. They turned out tasty. I have been putting just a tablespoon (only once a week or less) into my grain-free granola and I haven't experienced any bloating. There are a lot of websites that tell of the nutritional differences between grains and soaked and/or sprouted. Soaked and sprouted grains are much easier to digest for good reason.

By the way, my grain-free granola is really yummy!
I'll share the recipe if anybody wants it.
Recipe?? Do I follow a recipe??

Edited by: ANIDUCK at: 7/30/2011 (16:14)
Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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I think eating more veggie than grains is way better. 6-8 cups of grain sounds like alot. If I eat grains its under one cup. But boy I eat alot of fruits and veggie.

oh yea I hate oatmeal, I rarely eat it but when I do I eat Overnight oats with alot of fruits and other ingredients. i mostly eat fruit and smoothies for breakfast.

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Yeah. I think grain is really over rated. I could never imagine eating the "reco
Ended" 6-8 servings per day.

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if it is making you gain weight cut back on the grains some

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I discovered recently that when I eliminate gluten from my diet joint pain that I've had over seven years goes away. Now I can tell if I accidentally ingest some -ouch! I have some gluten free oatmeal that I eat occasionally - mostly I make a high protein oatmeal bread with oats, egg whites, cinnamon, and applesauce. It's really good crumbled up in some greek yogurt or cottage cheese with strawberriesemoticon

I'm toying with the idea of staying off all grains indefinitely once I finish my juice fast. Since I found out I need to avoid gluten I've been eating a LOT of rice, rice cakes, etc. and have gained 10 poundsemoticon

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Hi I haven't had rolled oats in forever, I eat steel cut oats raw, I soak about a half cup overnight in almond milk but you could use whatever. they are still chewy but not as filling but more nutritious because they are the least processed of all oats

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On cupped hand of oats is about a cup. I get full from 1/2 a cup. Will be testing!



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Whoa, a cup of oats? I don't know who could eat that much at once and not feel bloated. Personally I have 1/3 of a cup at a time and it works for me.

I would definitely experiment with grain- or gluten-free and see how you feel. If you feel a lot better, than you know you have some sort of intolerance or sensitivity. And if nothing changes, well hey, at least you tried!

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Thank you!



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I would say (for me) that I have a sensitivity to it. Not an allergy. It also seems to "build up" in my gut. If I don't eat gluten for a long while then had a slice of bread (for example) doesn't seem to bother me if I get right back to GF.


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Both of you have convinced me to modify my diet to gluten-free...going to test this for a couple of weeks to see how it goes. :)

Also, if I find that my bloating is gone after going gluten-free will that mean I have a sensitivity or allergic to gluten?



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7/29/11 3:00 P

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Hi you don't have to eat them if you don't want to, I have read where you don't need grains to be healthy. We as Americans are addicted to them

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7/29/11 2:59 P

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I was always bloated when I was eating gluten. I went gluten free, and now I'm 98% grain free. I feel much better now.

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7/29/11 1:55 P

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Yes, oats makes me full but I don't like the full feeling at all. I only eat 1/2 cup int he morning and the serving for oats in most clean books say eat 1 cup...too much for me! And with that oats are all over clean books and websites which frustrates me. Zuzana has even added oats and more grains into her diet this week. Eeeeeek! Really.

I love oats wet, goopy or cookie like especially when I have fruit and cinnamon in it, but I don't think I need to put it into my diet often. It's really not doing much for me and I noticed since I decided to drop 20lbs recently that I can't lose weight eating oats. I think that if I lift the oats I see come changes (which is probably all in mind). And oats swell my belly and I don't like that. I really don't want to go back to South Beach Phase 1 because my fitness regime is crazy and I need larger portions for energy.

I am experimenting with different foods right now to figure out why I bloat in my belly. Next week I'm going to eat all cooked food to see if there is a difference with the bloating, but I'll save that issue for another thread.

Thanks guys!!!



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7/29/11 1:11 P

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I think that is just fine. I have also pretty much given up grain ANDI. I will have a bit on Sundays...
Grain is so overrated. Quinoa is probably one of the best choices.

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7/29/11 12:48 P

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I don't think you HAVE to eat any one particular thing. Especially if you don't like it. Personally I have oats every single morning for breakfast, but I hate liquidy oats. I make mine so that it has the texture of a cookie if cooked, or I mix it with Greek yogurt and let it sit over night so that it's thick and cookie-like in the morning. You can also use oat flour if you make a recipe that calls for flour and get the benefits from it that way. Or put it in a smoothie if you really want to eat oats, but you don't have to!

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7/29/11 12:36 P

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I would like to see feedback on this as well, I CAN"T STAND OATS! I have the hardest time swallowing oatmeal, the only reason I do it is because it helps keep me full longer. I just began putting it on top of my yogurt dry instead of eating it cooked, it goes down easier that way, but if there is something I could switch it with that does the same thing but is easier to eat I would love to know what it is!


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7/29/11 12:18 P

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OK so I'm here to get some support because I'm currently feeling guilty about thinking about NOT eating oats anymore. I don't eat any kind of bread, rice or pasta. The only major grains I eat is Quinoa 'cuz of the protein factor/low calories and oats 'cuz all clean eaters say to eat it - I get my antis from fruit, I don't have a cholestorol problem (doubt I ever will) and I get my fiber from dark greens in which I eat A LOT of.

I guess my question is to everyone...how often do you eat oats and how much? And why do you eat it? I eat a 1/2 cup of oats every morning. Do I really need to eat oats?

And tell me if there are dumb questions. I won't get offended. Ha!



 
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